Ivan Toney - Signs to June 2025

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According to Whoscored foul stats Ivan gets fouled 2.3 times/game but also fouls 2.2 times/game. Do you think he will need to adjust his play in the P/L or will VAR help him or hinder him. I feel we should try and have most players being fouled more often than they commit the fouls. JDS being fouled 1.3/game, and only committing 0.5/game is ideal. But Sergi commits more fouls (1.3) than he is fouled (1.0) is something that needs to be improved

Something to work on for both but I suspect a lot fewer PL managers are going to instruct their best CB to touch tight man mark Toney and have a 90min wrestling match or to get their midfielders to go and boot Sergi up in the air a couple of times in the first ten and hope for him to retaliate with a late tackle.
 

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A couple of months back Scott Parker said in a press conference or tweet that he’d spotted Toney (maybe by in depth analysis, maybe just by reading the newspapers to see who the top scorers in L1 were, who knows?!) and wanted him but couldn’t get the club to meet Posh’s valuation. He was immediately, publicly and repeatedly slapped down by Fulham’s owner who said he’d suggested Toney and was v keen to do a deal but Parker was lukewarm over whether he was really worth it and was keener to bolster other areas in the squad. Basically neither man nor the club came out very well from the exchange.

Not quite. Khan said they couldn’t get a deal done due to FFP constraints which would appear to stand up the story that they weren’t prepared to meet his wage demands.
 

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According to Whoscored foul stats Ivan gets fouled 2.3 times/game but also fouls 2.2 times/game. Do you think he will need to adjust his play in the P/L or will VAR help him or hinder him. I feel we should try and have most players being fouled more often than they commit the fouls. JDS being fouled 1.3/game, and only committing 0.5/game is ideal. But Sergi commits more fouls (1.3) than he is fouled (1.0) is something that needs to be improved

I assume that these are fouls that are given by the referee? If so Tony is fouled at least three times that amount, they are just not given, indeed why that should be the case is one of life's mysteries! Hopefully with a better class of Referee and VAR things will be different.
 
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I assume that these are fouls that are given by the referee? If so Tony is fouled at least three times that amount, they are just not given, indeed why that should be the case is one of life's mysteries! Hopefully with a better class of Referee and VAR things will be different.
Be careful what you wish for! Toney gets away with plenty of sly digs etc off the ball, and there will be no shortage of players looking to wind him up. He's generally been smart enough to avoid the second booking, but I'd still expect the coaching staff to be having a quiet word with him about keeping cool under provocation.
 

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Be careful what you wish for! Toney gets away with plenty of sly digs etc off the ball, and there will be no shortage of players looking to wind him up. He's generally been smart enough to avoid the second booking, but I'd still expect the coaching staff to be having a quiet word with him about keeping cool under provocation.
He did this well in the first two thirds of the season, always springing up with a smile or looking to take a very quick free kick. He got targeted much more heavily in the last third of the season (hence fewer open play goals) when we were under more pressure to see promotion out. I don’t think we’ll be pressured in that way so much unless in deep relegation trouble (in which case we might anyway take a different psychological stance from many in not being desperate). And before that, fewer established PL clubs will be set up to focus on niggling him.
 

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Be careful what you wish for! Toney gets away with plenty of sly digs etc off the ball, and there will be no shortage of players looking to wind him up. He's generally been smart enough to avoid the second booking, but I'd still expect the coaching staff to be having a quiet word with him about keeping cool under provocation.
I do not disagree with one word of what you say, however, Toney is currently extremely closed marked usually by two players. With such close contact the game as it affects Toney often results in a maul, and this benefits the defenders rather than Toney which is why the tactic is used. The spin off is that it is difficulty for the referee to spot who is responsible for the various misdemeanours so puts it down to 6 of 1 half a dozen the other, but it is usually Toney who misses out.
 

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Every time I view the club's video package on the PO final (I'm on about 20 views last count!!), I get to the bit where Ivan is preparing to take his penalty and think: this guy is going to be a complete and utter long-term Bees legend whatever happens from now on!!

What a season! What an achievement! What a player!! :)
 

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According to Whoscored foul stats Ivan gets fouled 2.3 times/game but also fouls 2.2 times/game. Do you think he will need to adjust his play in the P/L or will VAR help him or hinder him. I feel we should try and have most players being fouled more often than they commit the fouls. JDS being fouled 1.3/game, and only committing 0.5/game is ideal. But Sergi commits more fouls (1.3) than he is fouled (1.0) is something that needs to be improved



I expect he will either get another 7-8 penalties for fouls at corners from the VAR or another 7-8 really good chances when they have to leave him alone to head it.

I don't care how many fouls Sergi gives away as long as he only gets one yellow and stops giving soft ones away around the box.
 

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Toney is Guaranteed to start with us.

He might get a big money move, to a bigger club, but only to be sat warming the bench, and playing second fiddle to strikers that will sit above him in the pecking order.

No guarantee he won't start at a bigger club either, if he wants to compete at the top table and earn the big salary he may have to go to a bigger club and punch it out with their existing players.

Another season with us, and he will have the big clubs paying top money and wanting him to start for them, especially if he starts to make fools of premiership defences week in and week out.

But Brentford and him may see this as a risk if he doesn't tear it up with Brentford, we are a tiny team in the biggest division in the world, if we have a tough season and he only scores a few we have both missed the boat on getting the big pay day,

That Milosovic bloke from Fulham destroys the Championship but is utter garbage in the Premier League, if they sold last year they would have got 30M like Watkins, now which premier league team are going to pay much for him? I think Toney is a better player but he has to tear it up in the Prem next year to maintain his current value.
 

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No guarantee he won't start at a bigger club either, if he wants to compete at the top table and earn the big salary he may have to go to a bigger club and punch it out with their existing players.



But Brentford and him may see this as a risk if he doesn't tear it up with Brentford, we are a tiny team in the biggest division in the world, if we have a tough season and he only scores a few we have both missed the boat on getting the big pay day,

That Milosovic bloke from Fulham destroys the Championship but is utter garbage in the Premier League, if they sold last year they would have got 30M like Watkins, now which premier league team are going to pay much for him? I think Toney is a better player but he has to tear it up in the Prem next year to maintain his current value.
Agree, both parties know the score, what better motivation could Toney have to do well. If he does well his price could rise to 50M plus, with interest from the top 7 or 8 clubs into the mix.
 

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No guarantee he won't start at a bigger club either, if he wants to compete at the top table and earn the big salary he may have to go to a bigger club and punch it out with their existing players.



But Brentford and him may see this as a risk if he doesn't tear it up with Brentford, we are a tiny team in the biggest division in the world, if we have a tough season and he only scores a few we have both missed the boat on getting the big pay day,

That Milosovic bloke from Fulham destroys the Championship but is utter garbage in the Premier League, if they sold last year they would have got 30M like Watkins, now which premier league team are going to pay much for him? I think Toney is a better player but he has to tear it up in the Prem next year to maintain his current value.

he'll be excellent in a decent mid-table team 😊
 

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Definitely on the way down. The goalkeepers even went the right way for his last couple of penalties.
 

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Agree, both parties know the score, what better motivation could Toney have to do well. If he does well his price could rise to 50M plus, with interest from the top 7 or 8 clubs into the mix.


We know the bar for a 26 goal striker is 33M, a 33 goal striker would be higher than that, lets say 37-40.
How much would you pay for a 12 goal Prem CF, Maupay or Bamford, more than 40M?

That is the risk. I don't think motivation is the issue, I am sure all players in this position are suitably motivated but scoring 20 plus goals in this division is down to a lot more than that.

Brentford always sell when a player is at peak value, that could very well be now. Maybe we are ready to gamble against that in order to stay up a to potentially see his value decrease to secure another year of prem money.
 

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We know the bar for a 26 goal striker is 33M, a 33 goal striker would be higher than that, lets say 37-40.
How much would you pay for a 12 goal Prem CF, Maupay or Bamford, more than 40M?

That is the risk. I don't think motivation is the issue, I am sure all players in this position are suitably motivated but scoring 20 plus goals in this division is down to a lot more than that.

Brentford always sell when a player is at peak value, that could very well be now. Maybe we are ready to gamble against that in order to stay up a to potentially see his value decrease to secure another year of prem money.
Now could be his peak value, but if he proves he is a P/L goalscorer with 10-12 for us I think doing so would enhance his value. I believe there is a good chance he will exceed 10-12 and then his value can still rise sharply especially if crowds are close to normal. There is rarely a shortage of P/L teams willing to buy an excellent goalscorer. Many were expecting Leeds to replace Bamford a year ago, that would have been a major mistake. Most of our signings are given 2 years to reach their most profitable
 

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Now could be his peak value, but if he proves he is a P/L goalscorer with 10-12 for us I think doing so would enhance his value. I believe there is a good chance he will exceed 10-12 and then his value can still rise sharply especially if crowds are close to normal. There is rarely a shortage of P/L teams willing to buy an excellent goalscorer. Many were expecting Leeds to replace Bamford a year ago, that would have been a major mistake. Most of our signings are given 2 years to reach their most profitable

I don’t think 12 goals would enhance his value, also most of our strikers don’t score that many in the first seasons and the ones who did like Andre Gray were sold straight away. I would even say Hogan was sold straight away as soon as he was fit and scored a lot of goals, he was out for 2 years but as soon as he was fit and scoring was sold during the next window.
 

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Not bothered about his value. Just want him leading our line and banging in 15+ league goals in 21/22. He'll score if we create the chances
 

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Not bothered about his value. Just want him leading our line and banging in 15+ league goals in 21/22. He'll score if we create the chances

That's not counting the eleven penalties, I take it.
 

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I think he will score 12 penalties alone. Add any other goals which will increase his number. He gets fouled and VAR will pick it up. He didn't win many penalties last season, he will next.
 

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I think he will score 12 penalties alone. Add any other goals which will increase his number. He gets fouled and VAR will pick it up. He didn't win many penalties last season, he will next.

Gotta get it in the box first though. Doubt we'll get as many as last year because realistically we won't dominate teams in the same way we're used to. Defenders of higher quality as well, so less prone to school boy errors.
 

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Gotta get it in the box first though. Doubt we'll get as many as last year because realistically we won't dominate teams in the same way we're used to. Defenders of higher quality as well, so less prone to school boy errors.

On the flip side they'll be a lot more open against us as most teams will believe they can beat us. Much like the first season in the Championship..
 

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On the flip side they'll be a lot more open against us as most teams will believe they can beat us. Much like the first season in the Championship..
True, although I suspect we'll find the opposition players to be of a slightly higher standard than we're used to.
 

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Nothing new. Add-ons up to £5.5m. Total fee £10m. Affordable!

Sell on…… 20%, 25%? Doable. 🤷‍♂️
Absolutely non news. We pretty much knew all that. Fry trying to show what a good negotiator he is? Still a great deal for us with a relatively low initial outlay.
 

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Absolutely non news. We pretty much knew all that. Fry trying to show what a good negotiator he is? Still a great deal for us with a relatively low initial outlay.
Maybe Fry is softening up Posh fans for another sale or two. “Don’t worry about it if we sell, we make loadsamoney and there’s more in the pipeline”

A barrowboy version of communicating something not so dissimilar to our approach.
 

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Until the day we sell Toney and they get their sell-on expect a new lot of Barry Fry quotes every week about how he would be a great buy for <insert name here>.
 
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I hope that he is the gift that keeps giving to Posh and the more we give him while he remains with us the better we are doing and the more successful we are.
 
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