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Reminds of Harry Kane.

You look at his highlights reel and goal record and you expect a good penalty area target man and a reliable spot-kick taker.

Instead what you get when you watch him live is all of the above, PLUS; a leader on the pitch, a player that will drop deep and join in with playmaking, take a battering to win free-kicks, one that will join in with the defensive shape when required, one that will move across into the channels to press, and one that will take responsibility from defensive set-pieces.

He is so much more than goals.
 

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If he's going to spend the majority of the games battling, defending, holding up the ball, which he is absolutely fantastic at, then it's going to be a tough old season for IT.

He just isn't getting the service in and around the penalty box which is slightly concerning.

Calm and collected as I know will find solutions.
 

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If he's going to spend the majority of the games battling, defending, holding up the ball, which he is absolutely fantastic at, then it's going to be a tough old season for IT.

He just isn't getting the service in and around the penalty box which is slightly concerning.

Calm and collected as I know will find solutions.

Agreed and think we need to find a way to cause overloads out wide to get more crosses into the box as that is where Toney thrives.

Possibly a limitation of the 3-5-2 at this level with current personnel, as solid as it is defensively.
 

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Playing well but spending a lot of time a long way away from the opposition’s goal. He’s setting up chances for Bryan when it’d be better the other way round considering their respective finishing skills.
 

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Agreed and think we need to find a way to cause overloads out wide to get more crosses into the box as that is where Toney thrives.

Possibly a limitation of the 3-5-2 at this level with current personnel, as solid as it is defensively.
We practice a drill in the warm up where we get overloads out wide and cross it in…..but haven’t seen us do it during a match in the 4 games so far.
 

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Superb all round game today but I would like him in areas we know he’s deadly.
 

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Reminds of Harry Kane.

You look at his highlights reel and goal record and you expect a good penalty area target man and a reliable spot-kick taker.

Instead what you get when you watch him live is all of the above, PLUS; a leader on the pitch, a player that will drop deep and join in with playmaking, take a battering to win free-kicks, one that will join in with the defensive shape when required, one that will move across into the channels to press, and one that will take responsibility from defensive set-pieces.

He is so much more than goals.
And as Palace showed at the weekend, even an all round player at Kane’s level can get managed out of the game by an opponent.
 

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We practice a drill in the warm up where we get overloads out wide and cross it in…..but haven’t seen us do it during a match in the 4 games so far.

Other than the first half free kick by Mbuemo I cannot remember a ball being crossed in above head height even when there were opportunities to do so. Perhaps the thinking was that BHA were more vulnerable to low crosses but it seems odd when your central striker is as good in the air as Toney.
 

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Other than the first half free kick by Mbuemo I cannot remember a ball being crossed in above head height even when there were opportunities to do so. Perhaps the thinking was that BHA were more vulnerable to low crosses but it seems odd when your central striker is as good in the air as Toney.
I think generally our final ball into the box [ when it comes:confused: ] is poor.
 

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Other than the first half free kick by Mbuemo I cannot remember a ball being crossed in above head height even when there were opportunities to do so. Perhaps the thinking was that BHA were more vulnerable to low crosses but it seems odd when your central striker is as good in the air as Toney.
Two reasons, no-one passing in behind the defence and secondly Canos hasn't been getting forward as much and Henry's crossing ain't that great (actually that's three!).

Having said that, both Ajer and Canos got decent balls into the near post on Sat but no-one gambled, all went to the back post...
 

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Two reasons, no-one passing in behind the defence and secondly Canos hasn't been getting forward as much and Henry's crossing ain't that great (actually that's three!).

Having said that, both Ajer and Canos got decent balls into the near post on Sat but no-one gambled, all went to the back post...
They weren't decent balls.
 

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Two reasons, no-one passing in behind the defence and secondly Canos hasn't been getting forward as much and Henry's crossing ain't that great (actually that's three!).

Having said that, both Ajer and Canos got decent balls into the near post on Sat but no-one gambled, all went to the back post...
Maybe the minor tweak we need is to have Janelt and Onyeka push forward more and risk leaving space behind on the basis that Norgaard and at least Pontus and one of Pinnock and Ajer plus the WB not going forward in a move can cover. That way we should have enough forward that Toney is attacking the box with Bryan and there are two tough pressing players to stifle a break from high up the pitch.
 

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Maybe the minor tweak we need is to have Janelt and Onyeka push forward more and risk leaving space behind on the basis that Norgaard and at least Pontus and one of Pinnock and Ajer plus the WB not going forward in a move can cover. That way we should have enough forward that Toney is attacking the box with Bryan and there are two tough pressing players to stifle a break from high up the pitch.

Yep, Rico particularly is generally receiving the ball completely surrounded by opponents with very few options at all. At least Ajer is sometimes getting forward to support Sergi but, as Les mentioned, their crossing was disappointing Saturday
 

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Yep, Rico particularly is generally receiving the ball completely surrounded by opponents with very few options at all. At least Ajer is sometimes getting forward to support Sergi but, as Les mentioned, their crossing was disappointing Saturday
Noted on Saturday most (?), and if not most, then quite a few, of our crosses came from Ajer..........
And Pinnock!!!
 
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That was a simply fantastic all round performance and if as we would all fully expect he carries on this type of form to the end of the season , some of the big clubs will be falling over themselves to sign him!
Then just watch Southgate pick him ! Genuinely think he would transform Arsenal (ironic after recent comments) Spurs , if Kane goes and I wouldn’t even be surprised if Mr Klopp asks his recruitment team to to start to take a closer look at him.
Make the most of him but when he does go it will be double our record sale at least , we are already eying up his successor I’m sure !
 

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UNPLAYABLE today and up there as one of the most complete centre forward performance I have seen anyone in a Bees shirt. His performance bettered that of Watkins against Swansea.

I overheard a comment coming out of the ground that I agree with in that Toney is like have three players in one playing for us. His presence, aura and leadership is tops.
 

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Snippet from his interview after the game today. Love his attitude, sets his sights as high as possible, a great mentality.

""Everyone has their opinion. It's up for us to do our jobs and, come the end of the season, hopefully we're top of the league!"
 
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