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Every time the ball goes to him I'm looking at Bryan because I just think he'll not only win the ball bit also find him. He is incredibly difficult to mark as he pops up in very difficult positions for centre backs to pick up. Opens up the pitch. He's a very smart player.
 
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This season, I keep thinking of the scene in Crocodile Dundee (ll?), where his mate says “I don’t need a gun, when I’ve got a Donk.”

Do you really ? Thats very interesting .Have you thought about getting help ? This thread is about Ivan BTW
 

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One of the best all round centre forward performances I have seen in a long time, wow. Coady will have nightmares all night.
That's an England Centre Half we're talking about, too.
 

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If Ivan is going to get manhandled like that at every corner, is it worth him using baby oil on his arms like Adama Traore does. There would be no reason to if he would earn less penalties.
 

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If Ivan is going to get manhandled like that at every corner, is it worth him using baby oil on his arms like Adama Traore does. There would be no reason to if he would earn less penalties.
The Wolves fan who was on here last week explained the baby oil was to stop opponents dislocating Traore’s shoulder when they grabbed him. Thankfully this is not an injury Ivan suffers, in part because the likes of Marcal went for a full (and illegally high in that sport) rugby tackle instead.
 

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Last season I thought Toney was the the best player I have seen in a Brentford shirt. And this season he is now taking it to a different level. England call up without a doubt, not if but when.
A season of performing like this and he’s Kane’s natural successor/competitor. Hopefully not literally at club level though.
 

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The Wolves fan who was on here last week explained the baby oil was to stop opponents dislocating Traore’s shoulder when they grabbed him. Thankfully this is not an injury Ivan suffers, in part because the likes of Marcal went for a full (and illegally high in that sport) rugby tackle instead.
Yup but Traore is grabbed In open field when running at high speed. Ivan‘s aerial ability makes him a target for being held back at corners. If he used baby oil, would the players holding him back have to make it more obvious and therefore increasing the chance of getting penalties.
How VVD tries to cope with Ivan will be fascinating
 

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Last season I thought Toney was the the best player I have seen in a Brentford shirt. And this season he is now taking it to a different level. England call up without a doubt, not if but when.
A few more goals from open play and he will get a call up as so much better than Bamford
 

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Yup but Traore is grabbed In open field when running at high speed. Ivan‘s aerial ability makes him a target for being held back at corners. If he used baby oil, would the players holding him back have to make it more obvious and therefore increasing the chance of getting penalties.
How VVD tries to cope with Ivan will be fascinating
It is possible that the better CBs will not feel the need to wrestle him so it’ll come down to positioning, anticipation and pace. Very excited to see how that turns out.
 

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Immense.
I cant describe him any other way.
Not many strikers around like him and I tried to compare him to others and all I could come up was Didier Drogba.
A young Didier who signed for Chelsea who turned World class.
Ivan is on his way to being similar.
Might have been dreaming but I thought MotD made a Lukaku comparison…
 

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It is possible that the better CBs will not feel the need to wrestle him so it’ll come down to positioning, anticipation and pace. Very excited to see how that turns out.
Starts next week against Liverpool!
 
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While I think it was a definite penalty yesterday, looking at the highlights there was certainly also an element of IT "throwing himself forward"
As he's also done on previous occasions............. and not had the same outcome...........
 

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While I think it was a definite penalty yesterday, looking at the highlights there was certainly also an element of IT "throwing himself forward"
As he's also done on previous occasions............. and not had the same outcome...........
Of course there was but what was he supposed to do given it was less than 30 seconds after the first when he didn’t attempt to go to ground but was thrown there ?
 

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If he hadn't gone to ground it would have been the same foul play but wouldn't have been given. Football facts of life I'm afraid.
 

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If he hadn't gone to ground it would have been the same foul play but wouldn't have been given. Football facts of life I'm afraid.
Agreed.
There's definitely a "launch" factor in some of IT's falls though.....
 

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While I think it was a definite penalty yesterday, looking at the highlights there was certainly also an element of IT "throwing himself forward"
As he's also done on previous occasions............. and not had the same outcome...........
I have to disagree. It looked to me like he was doing his best to break free from the wrestling hold that the defender had on him and, as a result, the other bloke's arms slid slower down his body, as he struggled to maintain his hold, with the inevitable result of taking Ivan down.
 

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Agreed.
There's definitely a "launch" factor in some of IT's falls though.....
So would you rather we didn’t play for the penalty, stay on our feet and not get the decisions despite every other club looking to gain any advantage they can by fair means or foul?
I am done with us winning friends and respect as a result of our fair play and pleasing football when the oppo narrowly beat us.
Far rather they resent what we’ve become, a forward thinking, professional side who want to win and are prepared to do what it takes within the laws to do it.
Long may it continue, I’ve had enough of being everyone’s second club
 

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Next week will be a really tough game and it would be understandable if some of our players, especially the less experienced, were a bit apprehensive.

In Ivan's case, I have total confidence that he's licking his lips at the prospect of showing how good he is, against them. He will show no fear and will relish the challenge and that will rub off on the rest of the team.

I love this bloke.
 

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So would you rather we didn’t play for the penalty, stay on our feet and not get the decisions despite every other club looking to gain any advantage they can by fair means or foul?
I am done with us winning friends and respect as a result of our fair play and pleasing football when the oppo narrowly beat us.
Far rather they resent what we’ve become, a forward thinking, professional side who want to win and are prepared to do what it takes within the laws to do it.
Long may it continue, I’ve had enough of being everyone’s second club
Nope. Didn't say that.
Just thought it was worth noting, having watched the incident a few times, that IT uses this "tactic" fairly frequently, and I noticed last season some refs seemed to refuse to give a penalty in those situations. Maybe because it looked a bit 'obvious'......
 

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The Wolves fan who was on here last week explained the baby oil was to stop opponents dislocating Traore’s shoulder when they grabbed him. Thankfully this is not an injury Ivan suffers, in part because the likes of Marcal went for a full (and illegally high in that sport) rugby tackle instead.

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So would you rather we didn’t play for the penalty, stay on our feet and not get the decisions despite every other club looking to gain any advantage they can by fair means or foul?
I am done with us winning friends and respect as a result of our fair play and pleasing football when the oppo narrowly beat us.
Far rather they resent what we’ve become, a forward thinking, professional side who want to win and are prepared to do what it takes within the laws to do it.
Long may it continue, I’ve had enough of being everyone’s second club
Your last sentence sums it up for me.
I don't want to be plucky Brentford or someone's second team, but a pain in the butt side who will moon at opposite fans when we score.We upset Wolverhampton big time yesterday on and off the park.
Serves em right.
Crap club anyway.
 

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Might have been dreaming but I thought MotD made a Lukaku comparison…
Lukaku is a good comparison, but Drogba had much more movement about him and was a truly world class player right up until he retired.
I remember his earlier days and Ivan reminds me so much of that time.
More to come without a doubt and he loves scoring and playing for us.
What a player.
 
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A season of performing like this and he’s Kane’s natural successor/competitor. Hopefully not literally at club level though.
Agree AB, only better.
He’s got Kane’s football brain and ability along with Lukaku’s pace and power.
The kind of player that dreams are made of.

And he’s a 🐝
🥰🥰🥰🥰
Dare I say it ….. the best all round striker we’ve had since a certain Andy McCulloch pulled on the shirt.
 

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I can't think of a better target man playing in this league, but he's also so much more than that.

Combines work rate and athleticism with technique and intelligence. I've no doubt he'd have scored a second goal when Mbuemo should have played him in at the beginning of the second half.

He's now playing quite a different role than 12 months ago, but he's excelling at it and it just shows how versatile and talented he is.
 

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He's the dogs bollox. My pals who support clubs in the big 6 all want him for the completeness of his game. I trust the DoFs are already lining up his replacement. If he achieves a decent scoring rate this season and when you look at the silly money being spent, I see no reason to value him at less than 60 million.
 

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So would you rather we didn’t play for the penalty, stay on our feet and not get the decisions despite every other club looking to gain any advantage they can by fair means or foul?
I am done with us winning friends and respect as a result of our fair play and pleasing football when the oppo narrowly beat us.
Far rather they resent what we’ve become, a forward thinking, professional side who want to win and are prepared to do what it takes within the laws to do it.
Long may it continue, I’ve had enough of being everyone’s second club
Too true and I love the fact the we actually are the bully boys too.
 

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I think we only had 1 corner against Brighton right near the end and he looked man handled to me verging on a headlock but got nothing.

got just rewards against wolves even though I didn’t think ref would give it at first .

always reminded me of Drogba strange how people see things the same way.
 

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I don't know the " Buy out " clause in his contract , i hope its north of 50m . if he puts in performances like yesterday every week , come January the big boys will be knocking on Franks door.
 
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I don't know the " Buy out " clause in his contract , i hope its north of 50m . if he puts in performances like yesterday every week , come January the big boys will be knocking on Franks door.
I hope there's no buyout clause at all!
 

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I don't know the " Buy out " clause in his contract , i hope its north of 50m . if he puts in performances like yesterday every week , come January the big boys will be knocking on Franks door.

I do wonder though who might come in for him and why, given his likely valuation. What top six team need a circ. £50m striker to add to their squad at the moment?

Here‘s hoping he stays with us for the rest of the season.
 

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I do wonder though who might come in for him and why, given his likely valuation. What top six team need a circ. £50m striker to add to their squad at the moment?

Here‘s hoping he stays with us for the rest of the season.
Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs may want him as backup for their number 1. Even at that price.

Someone like everton could be interested if they ever sell DCL.
 

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Chelsea, Arsenal or Spurs may want him as backup for their number 1. Even at that price.

Someone like everton could be interested if they ever sell DCL.
Everton wanted Maupay but didn’t have the money to even try. They’re not going to be anywhere near in the running for Ivan.
 
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