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Personally, I'd prefer Ivan not to be in the England set-up... we want him all to ourselves!
I think this particular cat is well out of the bag now so an England cap helps bump up his value even further. I bet there are some pig sick PL sides who regret not laying out £10m two seasons ago - most of the clubs who might have been interested can't afford him now. Few can tbh.
 

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I think this particular cat is well out of the bag now so an England cap helps bump up his value even further. I bet there are some pig sick PL sides who regret not laying out £10m two seasons ago - most of the clubs who might have been interested can't afford him now. Few can tbh.

I‘m just hoping the suicide watch on the bridge over the river Tyne is well staffed at present.

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I‘m just hoping the suicide watch on the bridge over the river Tyne is well staffed at present.

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Last season they were boggling at having had and pretty much given away both Toney and Armstrong!
 

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Three years ago, Newcastle sold Ivan to Peterborough for £650k…..

I’d be interested in what an accurate assessment of his worth is now - £30m, or is that inflated?
 

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Three years ago, Newcastle sold Ivan to Peterborough for £650k…..

I’d be interested in what an accurate assessment of his worth is now - £30m, or is that inflated?
That’s about what Watkins went for last year so sounds fair to low.
 

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Three years ago, Newcastle sold Ivan to Peterborough for £650k…..

I’d be interested in what an accurate assessment of his worth is now - £30m, or is that inflated?
If he plays like he is now for a whole season its got to be £50m
 

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Three years ago, Newcastle sold Ivan to Peterborough for £650k…..

I’d be interested in what an accurate assessment of his worth is now - £30m, or is that inflated?

As someone said , we got £30m for Ollie who'd never played in the Premier league ,Id say way over £50m ,hes better and younger than Kane
 

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Arsenal paid £25m for a championship level goalkeeper. We hopefully won’t be entertaining any bids from outside of the “top 6” and certainly not any lower than £60m !!
 

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Although we only play ONE game a week do you think we should sub Ivan more often , say 70/75mins as often as we can, a couple of reasons i say this
(a) So we don't burn him out, try to keep him fresh and injury free
(b) Give wissa and Forss minutes

he is such a vital cog for us , to lose him for a number of games would be a big blow
 

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Although we only play ONE game a week do you think we should sub Ivan more often , say 70/75mins as often as we can, a couple of reasons i say this
(a) So we don't burn him out, try to keep him fresh and injury free
(b) Give wissa and Forss minutes

he is such a vital cog for us , to lose him for a number of games would be a big blow
Thomas is a brave manager but short of there being serious data from Ivan’s monitors saying he’s at risk I doubt he’d be brave enough to pull Ivan before the final whistle. Maybe if we’re 3-4 goals up and he’s on a yellow.
 

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Although we only play ONE game a week do you think we should sub Ivan more often , say 70/75mins as often as we can, a couple of reasons i say this
(a) So we don't burn him out, try to keep him fresh and injury free
(b) Give wissa and Forss minutes

he is such a vital cog for us , to lose him for a number of games would be a big blow
Dont forget we have a lot less games this year, with a full week between each game there’s much more chance of him being able to play every game without as much risk of burn out.
 

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Dont forget we have a lot less games this year, with a full week between each game there’s much more chance of him being able to play every game without as much risk of burn out.

But Garth Crooks said “Ten of the 11 Brentford players have played in every game this season and that is why they will eventually struggle to survive this season, although I think they just might make it.”

😂✊🏻💦
 

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But Garth Crooks said “Ten of the 11 Brentford players have played in every game this season and that is why they will eventually struggle to survive this season, although I think they just might make it.”

😂✊🏻💦
I don’t know how this geezer still gets a gig he’s awful to watch on the telly
 

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8 fewer games this season, and one that isn't crammed in like the last one was. I wouldn't think that fatigue will play as big a role as it has in recent seasons.
Plus all the international breaks that he doesn’t play in (at the moment anyway) so I don’t think fatigue will be an issue for him.
 

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You want quick fire PL games - well, wait until end 28 Nov .... Everton through to Villa on 1 Jan - 9 games in 5 weeks
 
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As someone said , we got £30m for Ollie who'd never played in the Premier league ,Id say way over £50m ,hes better and younger than Kane
6 games into the season and he’s already better than a player that will probably become Englands greatest ever goal scorer in the next 24 months and has 160+ Premier League goals! Are we turning into Leeds fans? I’m sorry I love Ivan but he is not better than Kane, only in terms of very very recent form (4 or 5 games).
 

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Although we only play ONE game a week do you think we should sub Ivan more often , say 70/75mins as often as we can, a couple of reasons i say this
(a) So we don't burn him out, try to keep him fresh and injury free
(b) Give wissa and Forss minutes

he is such a vital cog for us , to lose him for a number of games would be a big blow
It’s the Premier League not the Carabao Cup. Would be stupid to sub off our best player unless we’re 3/4 up in a game which is extremely unlikely.
 

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6 games into the season and he’s already better than a player that will probably become Englands greatest ever goal scorer in the next 24 months and has 160+ Premier League goals! Are we turning into Leeds fans? I’m sorry I love Ivan but he is not better than Kane, only in terms of very very recent form (4 or 5 games).

Did you watch Kane on Sunday ? Utter toilet
 

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6 games into the season and he’s already better than a player that will probably become Englands greatest ever goal scorer in the next 24 months and has 160+ Premier League goals! Are we turning into Leeds fans? I’m sorry I love Ivan but he is not better than Kane, only in terms of very very recent form (4 or 5 games).
Kane’s record over the last 5 years has been incredible. He’s also been utter turd this season.

In 48 hours, Southgate has to name his England squad for upcoming matches. On the basis that 4-5 forwards are likely to be named, on merit and performance over the first 6 games of the season, Ivan has made an excellent case to be called up.
 

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Did you watch Kane on Sunday ? Utter toilet
He was similar in the early Euro 2020 games too, then went up a gear. I think he really needed that move to Citeh. It’s like Ajer needed to leave Celtic to get a new challenge and a higher level and was criticised by their fans for not having performed so brilliantly last season.

The point at which we settle at a level below where Toney or any others think they’re stagnating in the context of our overall team is past the point at which they should move on. Fortunately the club’s ambitions of continuous season on season improvement minimise this so we’ve rarely seen this (Hogan was probably the last to go like that and he underestimated us and overestimated where he’d got to and could develop into) and been able to sell happy players who are still on the up.

So while we might raise an eyebrow at Toney’s comments about winning the league, if he thinks we’ve written off the idea of challenging completely and the top 6 offer comes, he goes. If we do the barely believable and keep our start up and then look to build from there we have the chance to hold him another season as a real vessel for the ambitions of a player who can be looking at starring for England. Vitaly’s another like that- his recent Warm Up interview, language issues aside, showed him supremely confident in his own abilities.
 

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Kane’s record over the last 5 years has been incredible. He’s also been utter turd this season.

In 48 hours, Southgate has to name his England squad for upcoming matches. On the basis that 4-5 forwards are likely to be named, on merit and performance over the first 6 games of the season, Ivan has made an excellent case to be called up.
Agreed, when I watch Kane now he looks unsettled. The transfer saga earlier has not done him any favours imo, made worse by the mess Spurs are in. With Toney he is settled, playing great in a team and manager that supports him all the way. Always going to bring out the best in him.
 
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Did you watch Kane on Sunday ? Utter toilet
Doesn't exactly help out his defense 😂.
TBF, Is it because Kane is playing in a poor Spurs team, or the new coach is trying something different that does not suit him or is he trying to reinvent himself into more of a Sheringham type player? Or he may simply be out of form but will recover.

Regardless, there is something about Toney that I would rather have him in our side. Probably because (aside from his contribution across the pitch) he exudes that strength that make him seem more like a leader.
 

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Think an England call up has come too soon for this round of fixtures but if he stays at this level all season there is a very high chance that he will get the nod and with a WC in 12 months it would come at an ideal time for him
It is better he has to work for it and perform so strongly his claim is undeniable than to get an early call to play dross like Andorra from which little positive will be learned and he then gets put back in his box. If he gets into the England team I’d want him to be there with the chance to grab the place with both hands to make it his own, not just a single chance to just hang out and get the badge.
 

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Think an England call up has come too soon for this round of fixtures but if he stays at this level all season there is a very high chance that he will get the nod and with a WC in 12 months it would come at an ideal time for him
Don’t see how it’s too early. He’s the most inform English striker right now, only Abraham comes close, and he’s in Serie A. Calvert Lewin and Bamford both injured, Ollie only just come back as well.
 

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Unfortunately we all know it doesn't work like this. 5 good games won't get him a call up. He'll need to continue to the next international break and of he does then maybe. Plus factor in it's just for little old Brentford he is performing for.

Danny Ings was England's best striker last season didn't even get a sniff. I know he was injured at end of season but beforehand not even a call up


Don’t see how it’s too early. He’s the most inform English striker right now, only Abraham comes close, and he’s in Serie A. Calvert Lewin and Bamford both injured, Ollie only just come back as well.
 

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Don’t see how it’s too early. He’s the most inform English striker right now, only Abraham comes close, and he’s in Serie A. Calvert Lewin and Bamford both injured, Ollie only just come back as well.
Only 6 games into his first PL season - took Ollie 2/3rds of the season to get his first call up
 

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Ollie is a very good premier league forward. If he isn't already, Toney will be a class above.
Agreed - but pretty rare for someone with only 6 games at the top level to get called up by England unless they play for one of the top 6
 

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Unfortunately we all know it doesn't work like this. 5 good games won't get him a call up. He'll need to continue to the next international break and of he does then maybe. Plus factor in it's just for little old Brentford he is performing for.

Danny Ings was England's best striker last season didn't even get a sniff. I know he was injured at end of season but beforehand not even a call up
Harry Kane got the most goals, and the assists in the league last season. Ings was good but not that good, could easily say Calvert Lewin was better as well.
 

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Agreed - but pretty rare for someone with only 6 games at the top level to get called up by England unless they play for one of the top 6
Agreed. We all know how good Ivan is but it will take a while for everyone else to fully clue up that he is that good.
 

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Agreed - but pretty rare for someone with only 6 games at the top level to get called up by England unless they play for one of the top 6
With multiple eligibility, there is more pressure on Gareth to act quickly. And he is very much a penalty specialist which brings additional added value.
 

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Think an England call up has come too soon for this round of fixtures but if he stays at this level all season there is a very high chance that he will get the nod and with a WC in 12 months it would come at an ideal time for him

Not sure it will, GS usually picks 15 defenders, 6 holding midfielders and 2 strikers in a squad. Kane and DCL are his favourites and OW couldn't even get in the squad.

I would have IT over DCL all day long but I am not negative, boring Southgate.
 

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Don’t see how it’s too early. He’s the most inform English striker right now, only Abraham comes close, and he’s in Serie A. Calvert Lewin and Bamford both injured, Ollie only just come back as well.
I have no intention of undermining Ivan, however, lets keep a clear head on this. Whilst he is a very good striker, and we have all seen this season just how good he is, at the end of the day he is a striker, but so far after 6 games in the premier league he has scored just one goal from open play.
 

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Goals + assists? That’s a more accurate measure.
 

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Unfortunately we all know it doesn't work like this. 5 good games won't get him a call up. He'll need to continue to the next international break and of he does then maybe. Plus factor in it's just for little old Brentford he is performing for.

Danny Ings was England's best striker last season didn't even get a sniff. I know he was injured at end of season but beforehand not even a call up
You may well be right. But Toxic Bee has a point about the injury problems for Southgate at centre forward for the upcoming squad announcement (Thursday?) for next week's international break.

Kane available but second choice Calvert-Lewin has been out for ages. Bamford played in the last round of international fixtures but didn't even make the bench at the weekend due to injury - so is it right to pick him? Watkins hasn't scored this season in his three (?) starts (though for financial reasons if nothing else it would be good for him to be called up).

Other options from the Premier League? Rashford injured. Antonio banging them in but has played for Jamaica. Vardy retired from internationals. Abroad there's Tammy Abraham.

So I think its two from four from Bamford, Watkins, Abraham and Toney (just 2 from 3 if Bamford isn't fit enough to be selected)
 
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