Unlikely Jens Cajuste (FCM MF)

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Interesting comment from a Danish fan re Cajuste.

'V quick to progress the ball is something you’ll notice almost immediately, constantly checking shoulders, great passer & dribbler. His close control is good enough to avoid the press. Very graceful to watch. Where he lacks is defensively - FCM don’t play many games on back foot.'

That seems quite different to what people have been talking about? A defensive midfielder?
 

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There is also the factor that we are a Danish enclave and Pontus is his international team mate
What's the Danish appeal to a Swede? It's like saying an Irish heavy squad would appeal to an English player 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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What's the Danish appeal to a Swede? It's like saying an Irish heavy squad would appeal to an English player 🤷🏻‍♂️
Relative to a squad where no one else speaks English?

While Denmark and Sweden are not the same country, there is enough cultural affinities to be able to say that this might be attractive
 

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Relative to a squad where no one else speaks English?

While Denmark and Sweden are not the same country, there is enough cultural affinities to be able to say that this might be attractive
Yeah, I doubt an English player would run to a French club just cos there were a load of Paddies there 😂

Also Danes and Swedes almost all speak English very well, the nations don't like each other much neither guv 👍🏻
 

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Yeah, I doubt an English player would run to a French club just cos there were a load of Paddies there 😂

Also Danes and Swedes almost all speak English very well, the nations don't like each other much neither guv 👍🏻

Vanity of small differences. It's not exactly an England-Ireland relationship is it. I think the Scandi base could be a pull. I suspect Forss is a Swedish speaking Finn as well.
 

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Interesting comment from a Danish fan re Cajuste.

'V quick to progress the ball is something you’ll notice almost immediately, constantly checking shoulders, great passer & dribbler. His close control is good enough to avoid the press. Very graceful to watch. Where he lacks is defensively - FCM don’t play many games on back foot.'

That seems quite different to what people have been talking about? A defensive midfielder?
I thought that it was Frank who was the DM?
 

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The player and/or his agent need to know/realise that we are the next step in his progression and that a move to a ”bigger” club at this stage of his career may cause it to stagnate. Our next new logo should include a stepping stone!
I am sure that the player, and his agent have had every detail of our philosophy explained to them possible several times. It is not as if we are unknown to FCM.
 

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What's the Danish appeal to a Swede? It's like saying an Irish heavy squad would appeal to an English player 🤷🏻‍♂️
Him currently playing in Denmark perhaps 🤔
 

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Vanity of small differences. It's not exactly an England-Ireland relationship is it. I think the Scandi base could be a pull. I suspect Forss is a Swedish speaking Finn as well.
Finish isn't a Scandinavian language though. So if he can speak Swedish he's done well
 

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Vanity of small differences. It's not exactly an England-Ireland relationship is it. I think the Scandi base could be a pull. I suspect Forss is a Swedish speaking Finn as well.

Marcus is from Turku, I’d be surprised if he spoke Swedish TBH.
 

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Interesting comment from a Danish fan re Cajuste.

'V quick to progress the ball is something you’ll notice almost immediately, constantly checking shoulders, great passer & dribbler. His close control is good enough to avoid the press. Very graceful to watch. Where he lacks is defensively - FCM don’t play many games on back foot.'

That seems quite different to what people have been talking about? A defensive midfielder?
Ryan Woods and Josh McEachran played in front of the back 4, but couldn't really be described as defensive midfielders.
 
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Turku has a sizeable Swedish speaking population and Forss sounds more Swedish than Finnish to me but I could be wrong.
You are almost certainly right and Marcus probably is a member of Finland's sizable Swedish speaking minoirty. Forss is a Swedish name (I speak the language quite well as I lived for two years long ago) Swedish-speaking Finns almost all are bilingual Swedish and Finniosh, as they grow up immersed in both languages.

On the wider topic, I think the fact that Brentford have such strong Scandinavian connections, along with the way our club is structured and run, makes us attractive to Scandinavians whichever country they are from. Pontus is sadi to have initailly approached Brentford when he left Leeds, rather than vice-versa. And I think it was a factor in Ajer joining us too.
 

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What's the Danish appeal to a Swede? It's like saying an Irish heavy squad would appeal to an English player 🤷🏻‍♂️
Indeed. A Haitian-American who spent his early years in China - Cajuste does not seem your archetypal Scandinavian.
 

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I don’t know Cajuste’s personal circumstances but generally speaking, if I was weighing up a move to work abroad I’d be looking at how my wife/girlfriend/partner/kids etc would fit in with the culture before myself. Based upon that I’d say Brentford would be very attractive to many Scandinavian players.
 

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I thought that it was Frank who was the DM?

Frank's a box to box midfielder, pretty sure early on in this thread Cajuste was described as a DM? Sounds though like he's a lot more creative than that, much more a cross between DaSilva and Sawyers! :D
 

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Frank's a box to box midfielder, pretty sure early on in this thread Cajuste was described as a DM? Sounds though like he's a lot more creative than that, much more a cross between DaSilva and Sawyers! :D
Whatever, I am quite looking forward to this chaps arrival. Won't relax until I see the photograph of him holding a Bees scarf up at the training ground.
 

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I don’t know Cajuste’s personal circumstances but generally speaking, if I was weighing up a move to work abroad I’d be looking at how my wife/girlfriend/partner/kids etc would fit in with the culture before myself. Based upon that I’d say Brentford would be very attractive to many Scandinavian players.
Perhaps his lady friend is French!
 

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Whatever, I am quite looking forward to this chaps arrival. Won't relax until I see the photograph of him holding a Bees scarf up at the training ground.

Yeh, me too. Do have a feeling we're going to get gazumped by Leeds or someone. Personal terms sound like a bit of an issue that may not get resolved..
 

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Frank's a box to box midfielder, pretty sure early on in this thread Cajuste was described as a DM? Sounds though like he's a lot more creative than that, much more a cross between DaSilva and Sawyers! :D
Looking at when FCM played Liverpool (in both legs) Frank and Cajuste were the DM partnership.
 

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Yeah, I doubt an English player would run to a French club just cos there were a load of Paddies there 😂

Also Danes and Swedes almost all speak English very well, the nations don't like each other much neither guv 👍🏻
I actually think a lot of English-speaking players at a French club would have an advantage over a similar French club where people didn’t. Not sure why that seems comic somehow!

I don’t know how many Danes and Swedes you know but, while they both speak English, many of them also speak both Danish and Swedish, particularly if they are from Malmö or Copenhagen which is separated only by a bridge. In Cajuste we’re also talking about a Swede who has played in Denmark. It is particularly not a stretch to say that he could appreciate playing with Seedes and Danes as he seeks to make the adjustment of playing in a new country.
 

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I actually think a lot of English-speaking players at a French club would have an advantage over a similar French club where people didn’t. Not sure why that seems comic somehow!

I don’t know how many Danes and Swedes you know but, while they both speak English, many of them also speak both Danish and Swedish, particularly if they are from Malmö or Copenhagen which is separated only by a bridge. In Cajuste we’re also talking about a Swede who has played in Denmark. It is particularly not a stretch to say that he could appreciate playing with Seedes and Danes as he seeks to make the adjustment of playing in a new country.
Up until last month I worked for one of the biggest firms in Denmark, with a Copenhagen HQ and visited a few times yeah. Have friends who live there as well, guess I've heard what I heard and it didn't sound like they were blood brothers. In fact far from it, hey ho. Let's get the next new signing in I say and teach him how to speak Kurupt innit 🤘🏻
 

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Up until last month I worked for one of the biggest firms in Denmark, with a Copenhagen HQ and visited a few times yeah. Have friends who live there as well, guess I've heard what I heard and it didn't sound like they were blood brothers. In fact far from it, hey ho. Let's get the next new signing in I say and teach him how to speak Kurupt innit 🤘🏻
I think he's right though, it's much like us with Scotland or Ireland, we can understand each other quite easily if we want to and if I was off somewhere new I'd much prefer it if there were more people speaking a language I can understand than not, even if they were jocks or paddys.
 

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If the above comment wasn't clear enough Banana is at least keen to make it clear this is not a done deal contrary to reports.

Maybe happening eventually ..... vs not happening for Brentford though??? Not sure which if any is likely.
I was on this post, pointing out how it wasn't a done deal, even within the article they're citing.

Of course everyone just believes the things they want to. Happy to believe that we have an agreement with the club, but willing to ignore that the player needs convincing.
 
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"V quick to progress the ball is something you’ll notice almost immediately, constantly checking shoulders, great passer & dribbler."

This quote was also said of Frank Onyeka too, and funnily enough it also describes Vitaly Janelt. Clearly we don't want midfields who can move the ball out quickly, from defence or in a transition
 

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I'd describe Woods as a defensive midfielder; that would not be the first thing I would describe McEachran as.
Having seen what we now have with comprehensive skills as defensive, holding, pivot, ball-winning, creative midfielders... neither was a defensive midfielder.
 

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Interesting comment from a Danish fan re Cajuste.

'V quick to progress the ball is something you’ll notice almost immediately, constantly checking shoulders, great passer & dribbler. His close control is good enough to avoid the press. Very graceful to watch. Where he lacks is defensively - FCM don’t play many games on back foot.'

That seems quite different to what people have been talking about? A defensive midfielder?
Would be wasted as a 6, could play as an 8, but having seen what he can do I'm thinking he could play in the Maddison/Barnes role on the left of a 3. Neither are particularly quick but have good awareness and technical ability and RETAIN possession which I think is a prerequisite at this level.
 

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Would be wasted as a 6, could play as an 8, but having seen what he can do I'm thinking he could play in the Maddison/Barnes role on the left of a 3. Neither are particularly quick but have good awareness and technical ability and RETAIN possession which I think is a prerequisite at this level.

I think we'll be surprised how Brentford set up next season. Sometimes it'll be a 4-3-3 with inverted wingers, sometimes 3-5-2 with wingbacks and a support striker and on some occasions its going to be a sort of 4-2-3-1 but where all 5 midfielders are ball winners with pace and athleticism. Cajuste fits this last model perfectly but can also play in the others.
 

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Would be wasted as a 6, could play as an 8, but having seen what he can do I'm thinking he could play in the Maddison/Barnes role on the left of a 3. Neither are particularly quick but have good awareness and technical ability and RETAIN possession which I think is a prerequisite at this level.

Where have you seen him? He seems to have played most of his career as a number 6 from what I can find, albeit one who seems to dribble a lot. But he is primarily a defensive player, I think?
 

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Where have you seen him? He seems to have played most of his career as a number 6 from what I can find, albeit one who seems to dribble a lot. But he is primarily a defensive player, I think?

It depends on which part of the pitch you are defending...I can see us having defensive players pressing their back 4 in an attempt to win possession high up
 

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It depends on which part of the pitch you are defending...I can see us having defensive players pressing their back 4 in an attempt to win possession high up
That’s more the point. A defensive player can be a blocker but we’ve seen with CN that a ball-winner who can progress the ball very quickly can do this in front of the defence (6) but those qualities can be very effective further up, pressing high, winning the ball and moving it quickly. Those players will cover more km than any other and I don’t think we can have too many of them.
 
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