Strong Rumour Jens Cajuste (FCM Midfielder)

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Indeed although I believe if you meet certain size criteria there are exemptions. As AB said I have always been told to value at arms length to avoid any issues further down the line and to avoid strangulation by our tax team but we are digressing somewhat.
 

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Indeed although I believe if you meet certain size criteria there are exemptions. As AB said I have always been told to value at arms length to avoid any issues further down the line and to avoid strangulation by our tax team but we are digressing somewhat.
Is this guy signing BTW?
 

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Watching today's friendly...if Gilbert's performance is what we can expect from our B team players, we need some more depth in the middle. It's such an important area of the pitch and we can't afford to have to play someone who simply isn't up to Premier League standard there. Finn Stevens, on the other hand, looks good to me, but he needs regular first team football to develop, imo. I'd be looking to send most of these "almost 1st team" players out to experience first team football in either League 1 or the Championship.

This seems a bit harsh to me. Thought Gilbert did pretty well with the minimal amount of ball he got, played some very clever passes into space. It was a first friendly against a side who were well ahead on their pre-season and in extreme heat. I don't think anyone else particularly shone on the ball. 🤷
 

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This seems a bit harsh to me. Thought Gilbert did pretty well with the minimal amount of ball he got, played some very clever passes into space. It was a first friendly against a side who were well ahead on their pre-season and in extreme heat. I don't think anyone else particularly shone on the ball. 🤷
Not well ahead of Gilbert though as B team returned for pre season same time as AFC Wimbledon only first returned later
 

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This seems a bit harsh to me. Thought Gilbert did pretty well with the minimal amount of ball he got, played some very clever passes into space. It was a first friendly against a side who were well ahead on their pre-season and in extreme heat. I don't think anyone else particularly shone on the ball. 🤷

It might seem harsh and I’m no professional scout, but to me he looked a distinct step down on Ghoddos and even on young Finn…

Not an insurmountable drop but he didn’t seem like someone who could drop into a premier league team to me.
 

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Alex Gilbert was in the pictures of the B team returning to pre season

Was he? Had a vague recollection that he was one of those missing from their first training sessions as he'd been playing U-21s and he then popped up in the first team first day. Regardless, it would have been his first game of pre-season either way and he didn't look any better/worse than anyone else yesterday IMHO..
 

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Tax laws would require the value paid to be market value, assuming MB owns at least 40% of each club, which I assume he does. Of course, market value is very subjective!
 

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Also, swiping FCM's best players without sufficient recompense to replace diminishes their chance of qualifying for the Champions League which means that we lose this effective route of signing foreigners. So a bit short-termist.
 

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Also, swiping FCM's best players without sufficient recompense to replace diminishes their chance of qualifying for the Champions League which means that we lose this effective route of signing foreigners. So a bit short-termist.

It's not an effective route of signing foreigners anyway.
 

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FCM would be able to reinvest that money very smartly though, which may allow them to challenge at a higher level. The same principles will be applied afterall.
 

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Why would that be? Just interested no argument.

It would be I suppose if FCM consistently got to the later stages of the Champions League. But their run last year was unprecedented.

Say we sign someone and park him there next year to get a work permit and they lose to Celtic in qualifying. They would then struggle to get the necessary points and would be stuck there.

If you want to use a club like that you need one from a higher "band" so just playing for the first team gets you enough points, which is why Tony Bloom has bought a club in Belgium.
 

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It would be I suppose if FCM consistently got to the later stages of the Champions League. But their run last year was unprecedented.

Say we sign someone and park him there next year to get a work permit and they lose to Celtic in qualifying. They would then struggle to get the necessary points and would be stuck there.

If you want to use a club like that you need one from a higher "band" so just playing for the first team gets you enough points, which is why Tony Bloom has bought a club in Belgium.
FCM have big ambitions to consistently qualify and perform for/in the UCL
 

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Why would that be? Just interested no argument.
Because the success of both FCM and BFC is based on buying and developing players who fit the demands of each club respectively, selling at top value, replacing and repeating. If either/both deviate from that to harmonise recruitment to provide a deliberate pathway from FCM to BFC (or vice versa if BFC reverts to younger brother by relegation) they’ll not necessarily be buying players that fit their own needs. So the model loses focus on what makes it work and either/both get players who aren’t quite right for them. They then don’t develop as much as they could and end up not good enough for the other.

If the underlying demands of the Danish and English leagues were the same both could completely integrate recruitment and aim to sell to one another regularly. But they aren’t. So moves between the two will be slightly more fortuitous. There’ll be plenty of players at both clubs who won’t fit the other but will be good enough to get good moves elsewhere. Going to a more express feeder club model turns the feeder club into a weaker one unless it can bear a huge pool of non first teamers to be developed by loans like Chelsea has. But the point is we don’t have the money to run that model and it’s an inconsistent one with the approach we have.
 

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It would be I suppose if FCM consistently got to the later stages of the Champions League. But their run last year was unprecedented.

Say we sign someone and park him there next year to get a work permit and they lose to Celtic in qualifying. They would then struggle to get the necessary points and would be stuck there.

If you want to use a club like that you need one from a higher "band" so just playing for the first team gets you enough points, which is why Tony Bloom has bought a club in Belgium.
Interesting, thanks it makes sense. I wonder if that has anything to do with MB taking a 25% partner on board. Although that did not raise any money for him only capital for MFC, and a dilution of his share holding. I have always thought that the two events were not unconnected. Thanks worth thinking about.
 

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FCM have big ambitions to consistently qualify and perform for/in the UCL
That maybe why Ramas said that Brentford’s promotion would benefit both clubs. It may also assist them sharing the scouting network. There should also be benefits, perhaps also for Brentford, when they get their ‘Centre of Excellence Academy’ up and running. I am not sure if we are involved in that scheme or not.
 

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That maybe why Ramas said that Brentford’s promotion would benefit both clubs. It may also assist them sharing the scouting network. There should also be benefits, perhaps also for Brentford, when they get their ‘Centre of Excellence Academy’ up and running. I am not sure if we are involved in that scheme or not.

Well, we've already had a couple of their youngsters on loan to the B team so could certainly see that tying up more..
 

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Interesting, thanks it makes sense. I wonder if that has anything to do with MB taking a 25% partner on board. Although that did not raise any money for him only capital for MFC, and a dilution of his share holding. I have always thought that the two events were not unconnected. Thanks worth thinking about.
The new Co-owner has lot of money, estimated wealth of $12BN. Whether that changes the model they operate we will have to see.
 

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Well, we've already had a couple of their youngsters on loan to the B team so could certainly see that tying up more..
Their youngsters will still have to pass the Brexit Test. I was wondering if it was more likely to work the other way. Youngsters we have scouted in Europe going to MFC until they develop and qualify?
 

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Their youngsters will still have to pass the Brexit Test. I was wondering if it was more likely to work the other way. Youngsters we have scouted in Europe going to MFC until they develop and qualify?
Middlesbrough? I doubt we'll want players schooled by Colin!
 

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With that kind of money you can buy anything, even shares in a " bus stop " in Hounslow
His investment in FCM seems all to have gone on community/fan facilities and he’s a philanthropist so might not be interested in BFC.
 

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It will also be interesting to see whether he gets involved in Brentford in the future too.

Must be a good chance, does have the feel of a trial run.

We are going to need additional investment at some stage and hard to see a multi billionaire happy with just a 25% share of a Danish club.
 

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The Jens Cajuste case is at a standstill for the moment with Stade Rennais. The French club, which has as a priority the recruitment of an N.6 currently, must sell before being able to increase its offer. Meanwhile, Newcastle and Brentford also want to move forward #Mercato



Sounds like the players preferred destination is Stade Rennais but if they cannot match our bid then we could be 2nd choice.
 

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His investment in FCM seems all to have gone on community/fan facilities and he’s a philanthropist so might not be interested in BFC.
Perhaps he will come over to look for somewhere to build a new 50,000 seater stadium to take us to the next stage of development!
 

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Perhaps he will come over to look for somewhere to build a new 50,000 seater stadium to take us to the next stage of development!
Let’s not start that again, very happy with BCS, I think it will suit us even when we’re in the CL!
 

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Must be a good chance, does have the feel of a trial run.

We are going to need additional investment at some stage and hard to see a multi billionaire happy with just a 25% share of a Danish club.
I think if anything he's more likely to increase his shares in FCM.

Because of the money involved in the Premier League MB can now get Brentford to where he wants them.

FCM would require significantly more money to achieve similar status (Europe Wide) in the Danish Superliga.
 

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I think if anything he's more likely to increase his shares in FCM.

Because of the money involved in the Premier League MB can now get Brentford to where he wants them.

FCM would require significantly more money to achieve similar status (Europe Wide) in the Danish Superliga.
And if MB does get us where he wants to ie in Europe, he'd presumably have to relinquish controlling ownership of one of the clubs if both are to play in the same competition.

Interesting news re Rennes...
 

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Let’s not start that again, very happy with BCS, I think it will suit us even when we’re in the CL!
Humour dear boy humour! When we are in the Champions League, humm? I will have to think about that one.
 
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Humour dear boy humour! When we are in the Champions League, humm? I will have to think about that one.
We got to the premiership and most of us thought it impossible.
 

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Seems like he isn't that interested, maybe it's not worth signing someone who prefers other moves?
 
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