Joel Valencia - (June 2023) Season loan to Legia Warsaw (1 Viewer)

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Yeah it wasn't a great cameo, gave the ball away easily a few times. I know it's hard given he's had limited game time, but I haven't seen much from him that suggests that he'll break into the first team were we to stay in the division next year. Just not sure it's been a great signing to be honest.
That's what many posters were saying on here regarding Emiliano, me included. He needs time, he is an important part of the squad and we need to be patient.
 

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What did you expect from him in 15 minutes?
I would have hoped that he would retain possession of the ball and maybe stretch them on one occasion with a mazy run. He did neither.
 

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Yeah it wasn't a great cameo, gave the ball away easily a few times. I know it's hard given he's had limited game time, but I haven't seen much from him that suggests that he'll break into the first team were we to stay in the division next year. Just not sure it's been a great signing to be honest.
Have you forgotten his goal against Wigan and his role in Marcondes’ goal against Fulham? He’s looked an altogether stronger and more confident player since the Covid break.
 

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I don't think he's awful...I just don't think he's the level that we need him to be. Our standards have risen and I'm not sure he's at them unfortunately.
 

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And lo, Emiliano was redeemed and a new scapegoat was crowned... his name was "Joel" and the moaners did rejoice once more!
 

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And lo, Emiliano was redeemed and a new scapegoat was crowned... his name was "Joel" and the moaners did rejoice once more!
I think you're interpretation of comments based on last night's cameo alone are something of an overreaction
 

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I would have hoped that he would retain possession of the ball and maybe stretch them on one occasion with a mazy run. He did neither.
I am sure he will come good if he gets a decent run in the team, as opposed to 15 minute cameos.
 

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I am sure he will come good if he gets a decent run in the team, as opposed to 15 minute cameos.
With the group of wide players at our disposal I can't see Joel getting a run of games unless one or two move on. He's usually a good option from the bench.
 

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I have to agree, I thought Valencia was really poor in his cameo. As a team, we defended brilliantly last night but were pretty poor on the ball, so it stands to reason that some players didn’t perform last night with the ball. I would definitely put JV in that camp.
IMHO he does have a lot still to do to convince that he can consistently and reliably get to the level we now expect of first team players.
 

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I have to agree, I thought Valencia was really poor in his cameo. As a team, we defended brilliantly last night but were pretty poor on the ball, so it stands to reason that some players didn’t perform last night with the ball. I would definitely put JV in that camp.
IMHO he does have a lot still to do to convince that he can consistently and reliably get to the level we now expect of first team players.
we pretty much lost the plot with the ball in the last 15, it was a bit like last season at times trying to get the second and playing killer balls when we would have been better just keeping the ball. Valencia wasn't the only one guilty here, JDS did similar as did Zamburek, even Said. Maybe a sign of the pressure? Compare that to seeing out the Charlton game where we looked much more composed..
 

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And lo, Emiliano was redeemed and a new scapegoat was crowned... his name was "Joel" and the moaners did rejoice once more!
I think you're interpretation of comments based on last night's cameo alone are something of an overreaction
Especially as it seems Jensen has taken that role lately judging by some of the posts in his and the match day threads
 

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Seen a lot of chat on twitter suggesting that Valencia may well have gone back to Poland (Prob Legia Warsaw) if we'd got promoted. Apparently, he's also gone back there for his holiday...
 
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Seen a lot of chat on twitter suggesting that Valencia may well have gone back to Poland (Prob Legia Warsaw) if we'd got promoted. Apparently, he's also gone back there for his holiday...
He’s mid 20s and surely wants to play regularly. He could well have needed a year to get acclimatised so perhaps we should hang onto him until the January window.
 

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He’s mid 20s and surely wants to play regularly. He could well have needed a year to get acclimatised so perhaps we should hang onto him until the January window.
yes, will be interesting to see how things pan out with him. He's a strange one, he's not been anything like the player I was expecting from Frank's initial comments on signing. I was expecting another Benhrama type of player who beats players with quick feet but whilst he is very quick he never seems to take players on. Not really sure where he fits in in the scheme of things...
 

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I like him but struggle to see him as a regular starter and will be moved on .
 

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I think we would have seen more of him if the powers that be thought he was going to make it long term.
 

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To be fair though Frank did say when he signed it would take a long time to get him up to speed..
He will need to up his performances and we don't have much time before we start again...............hopefully a good start this time ?
 

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For me the only player we signed this year bar unfortunates like Karelis with the injuries who just didn’t work out. Looks lost. And too small. Remember Leicester in the cup on the tv? He came on and at looked like a boy playing a mans game. Bye bye mate. Best of luck.
 

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I hoped he would be a Jay Tabb type player but he’s not quite done it tbh. Sounds like he works hard in training but he’s not quite made the grade yet
 

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For me the only player we signed this year bar unfortunates like Karelis with the injuries who just didn’t work out. Looks lost. And too small. Remember Leicester in the cup on the tv? He came on and at looked like a boy playing a mans game. Bye bye mate. Best of luck.
I think that's harsh. He's had a few decent cameos coming on in games but I don't see him starting many unless we have a good cup run..
 

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I think that's harsh. He's had a few decent cameos coming on in games but I don't see him starting many unless we have a good cup run..
Nah. In a team that has performed superbly to a man mostly he’s been left behind. Not met the mark enough times.
 

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Yeah I think that's it, a couple of years ago he probably would have fit in decently, but our level has risen and he isn't at the same standards as the rest of the team now. I won't say never but am just not sure he's good enough to be much more than a sub to rotate minutes.
 

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There's a lot of chatter about a Plan B. While Thomas's B, C & D seems to be changes of formation and style, there's also bringing on a completely different type of player. Valencia seems that to me – he's incredibly direct and stays on his feet, in a different way to Sergi.
 

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I hoped he would be a Jay Tabb type player but he’s not quite done it tbh. Sounds like he works hard in training but he’s not quite made the grade yet
He needs game time. Many players we bring in need time to settle into our system, the intensity of the Championship and moving to another country. We have had this same discussion on here many times before don't posters ever learn? We need to be patient, Marcondes being the most recent example. Next season will be important for Joel.
 

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He needs game time. Many players we bring in need time to settle into our system, the intensity of the Championship and moving to another country. We have had this same discussion on here many times before don't posters ever learn? We need to be patient, Marcondes being the most recent example. Next season will be important for Joel.
I would agree he needs game time and also that it takes time for players to settle into our system. He's not really been given much of a chance to displace anyone in the first 11, so it will be interesting if/when Benrahma goes, if he will be given the opportunity. I would have expected him to have had more opportunities than he's been given, so I think it is possible the club may let him go. I honestly can't make a judgement, as I haven't seen enough of him, but we know that with players like Ogbene and Yearwood, who also didn't quite fit, the club will let them go, rather than persevere for too long. Once SB goes, I think if the club sign another winger or two, then his days are numbered.
 

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He hasn't played a full game all season. Only started once and had 18 short appearances as sub. Scored against Reading. He's fast and vastly improved since his debut. I'd keep him.
 

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He hasn't played a full game all season. Only started once and had 18 short appearances as sub. Scored against Reading. He's fast and vastly improved since his debut. I'd keep him.

Was also highly involved in a goal at craven cottage so that alone, in my book gives him another season to judge!
 

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Get him out on loan somewhere like Wycombe. Local, we seem to have a decent relationship with them and its championship football. A few of our young guys could get some experience with them, even if they do have a different playing style to us.
 

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I would agree he needs game time and also that it takes time for players to settle into our system. He's not really been given much of a chance to displace anyone in the first 11, so it will be interesting if/when Benrahma goes, if he will be given the opportunity. I would have expected him to have had more opportunities than he's been given, so I think it is possible the club may let him go. I honestly can't make a judgement, as I haven't seen enough of him, but we know that with players like Ogbene and Yearwood, who also didn't quite fit, the club will let them go, rather than persevere for too long. Once SB goes, I think if the club sign another winger or two, then his days are numbered.
he's been a lot more involved that Ogbene or Yearwood, almost constantly on the bench when fit. Frank must see something in him..
 

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He needs game time. Many players we bring in need time to settle into our system, the intensity of the Championship and moving to another country. We have had this same discussion on here many times before don't posters ever learn? We need to be patient, Marcondes being the most recent example. Next season will be important for Joel.
Exactly this. I have my doubts at the moment, but it's based on what I've seen on the pitch which is very limited. He was tearing up in the top Polish league (for the Champions!) just over a year ago; ok it's hardly the Premier League but the top teams there are no mugs. So he must have something about it which will hopefully come through once he's adapted to life here.
 

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Some decent cameos but behind Mbuemo and Canos in the pecking order so cant see him getting much game time especially with subs back down to 7 now. Was a calculated gamble that didnt come off.
 
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Reminds me a bit of Gogia in that he looks like a tricky, two-footed winger that just doesn’t seem to be getting any sort of chance here.

It’s understandable with how incredible Benrahma and Mbeumo have been.

Similarly like Gogia, I can see him doing quite well elsewhere if/when he moves on.
 

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Some decent cameos but behind Mbuemo and Canos in the pecking order so cant see him getting much game time especially with subs back down to 7 now. Was a calculated gamble that didnt come off.
Probably behind Fosu as well.
 

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Get him out on loan somewhere like Wycombe. Local, we seem to have a decent relationship with them and its championship football. A few of our young guys could get some experience with them, even if they do have a different playing style to us.
Thing is, he is not young, or at least too old to benefit from a loan.
 

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Reminds me a bit of Gogia in that he looks like a tricky, two-footed winger that just doesn’t seem to be getting any sort of chance here.

It’s understandable with how incredible Benrahma and Mbeumo have been.

Similarly like Gogia, I can see him doing quite well elsewhere if/when he moves on.
funnily enough I saw a rumour linking Gogia with Birmingham City!! Assume that's complete BS, especially with Karanka going there..
 

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Goggs is currently out with an ACL...Brumscum have already got "Sicknote" Josh McEachran on the wage bill!
 

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Look he’s not good enough. He’s not going to become good enough. Not being negative but just how can you not step up in This squad as it has been this year? If you haven’t stepped up now you ain’t going to step up next year. Fosu has arrived and stepped up . Marcondes started the season very timid, went on loan and came back as a great option. Valencia fits in my sock draw . He’s tiny he’s timid his time is up. Thanks but ta ta.
 

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Look he’s not good enough. He’s not going to become good enough. Not being negative but just how can you not step up in This squad as it has been this year? If you haven’t stepped up now you ain’t going to step up next year. Fosu has arrived and stepped up . Marcondes started the season very timid, went on loan and came back as a great option. Valencia fits in my sock draw . He’s tiny he’s timid his time is up. Thanks but ta ta.
i don't think he has had enough game time. would quite like to see him loaned out to another english club - league one? - for some regular game time like Marcondes, then a decision made come january or so...
 

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i don't think he has had enough game time. would quite like to see him loaned out to another english club - league one? - for some regular game time like Marcondes, then a decision made come january or so...
I get the nurturing approach. Its his first season, he didn't get game time etc. But weirdly he reminds me of Niall McGinn who we had on loan some years back. I watch him play and to my eyes some of the fundamentals just aren't there. And back to my point when is it EVER going to be a better time to show what you can do that when the whole team is performing well? We've watched a small host of B team graduates step up into the fore really well this year and to my mind had a bigger impact than him.

God it sounds like I'm on a downer about the guy but honestly I'm not! He's got my respect for enduring playing in the Polish league hahahaha.
 

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beats players with quick feet but whilst he is very quick he never seems to take players on...
His confidence is low. Expectations on him were quite high this season. He didn't really have the game time, so didn't have much chance to show what he can do. But then did't really deliver when he did. Even after a good show, ie his goal, he was then back to the bench and waiting again.

Here is the formula: C=(R-E) x T

Confidence = (good Results - Expectations) x solid game Time..

I fully expect Joel to step up and reproduce some of his form from his Poland days, where he did turn heads and take a lot of players on. Lets hope he can put 19-20 down to experience and build up his contributions to the team, and regain that elusive confidence.

Si lo estás leyendo, Joel, venga, queda con los Bees y dale pilas este temporada!
 
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His confidence is low. Expectations on him were quite high this season. He didn't really have the game time, so didn't have much chance to show what he can do. But then did't really deliver when he did. Even after a good show, ie his goal, he was then back to the bench and waiting again.

Here is the formula: C=(R-E) x T

Confidence = (good Results - Expectations) x solid game Time..

I fully expect Joel to step up and reproduce some of his form from his Poland days, where he did turn heads and take a lot of players on. Lets hope he can put 19-20 down to experience and build up his contributions to the team, and regain that elusive confidence.

Si lo estás leyendo, Joel, venga, queda con los Bees y dale pilas este temporada!
Joel Valencia is not the first and won't be the last player who needs time to adjust, arriving from another team in another country. Hopefully this season he will be able to show everyone what he is about. Patience from supporters is key.
 

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