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Why we trying to loan out than rather offload permanently say on a free as been here 3 years so we must no that he isn't ever going to be good enough for 1st team?
 

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Why we trying to loan out than rather offload permanently say on a free as been here 3 years so we must no that he isn't ever going to be good enough for 1st team?
I imagine we‘ll look at all options and if someone was interested to take him on a free we might consider it. But as he hasn’t played a lot a loan with an option to buy may suit everyone best. Or even just a straight loan which would if successful give options for a transfer at its end. He may not be good enough for us but he may also be good enough as a person and player not to need to just effectively boot out or be uninterested in getting some value for.
 

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Would think a League 1 might want to take a punt on him if was guaranteed some game time? Maybe playing regularly would give the guy some confidence and might come back much improved.
 

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Would think a League 1 might want to take a punt on him if was guaranteed some game time? Maybe playing regularly would give the guy some confidence and might come back much improved.
He’s not good enough.
 

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Would think a League 1 might want to take a punt on him if was guaranteed some game time? Maybe playing regularly would give the guy some confidence and might come back much improved.
He didn’t really have the physicality for the Championship so L1 might not suit. Though he did well against Wimbledon so maybe.
 

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I imagine we‘ll look at all options and if someone was interested to take him on a free we might consider it. But as he hasn’t played a lot a loan with an option to buy may suit everyone best. Or even just a straight loan which would if successful give options for a transfer at its end. He may not be good enough for us but he may also be good enough as a person and player not to need to just effectively boot out or be uninterested in getting some value for.
Being more realistic pay him what we owe him, give him a ticket to Spain, wish him well, and send him on his way. There is no one who will pay him his current wages.
 

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I do not think we have the luxury of ‘seeing how he goes ‘ when we did not think he was good enough for the Championship. I predict he will be gone before the first game.
Wrong! But I am on your side. I do not think anyone who we know wants him.
 

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Being more realistic pay him what we owe him, give him a ticket to Spain, wish him well, and send him on his way. There is no one who will pay him his current wages.
Wages are probably a lot of the problem now, as all our players would have received a good increase with promotion.
 

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If someone can cover (some of) his wages and he performs well in Spain, we could still perhaps get a transfer fee in a year
 

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Being more realistic pay him what we owe him, give him a ticket to Spain, wish him well, and send him on his way. There is no one who will pay him his current wages.
What are his wages ?
 

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What are his wages ?
That does not matter clearly he is too expensive for what he can offer. We have no use of him now if he does not leave tomorrow I am expecting the club to negotiate a mutual termination of his contract. He will then become one of many free agents, and be in a better position to find a club.
 

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Reported that Crewe have made a 6 month loan offer.
 

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Can't imagine we'll have his wages covered much.
 

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It's not that big a step down from not getting games in the Championship.
Not getting games in the Championship for a promoted side...

Crewe look certain to drop into League Two after their start this season. I'd have thought he could do a job at a Peterborough or Coventry, or at least one of the larger/stronger League One sides.
 

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Not getting games in the Championship for a promoted side...

Crewe look certain to drop into League Two after their start this season. I'd have thought he could do a job at a Peterborough or Coventry, or at least one of the larger/stronger League One sides.

If you were a scout for Peterborough or Coventry I think there would be loads of players you would look at before Valencia. There may be a Championship player in there but there isn't much evidence for it so far. If he wants to stay in England Crewe is about as good as it gets I would think.
 

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If you were a scout for Peterborough or Coventry I think there would be loads of players you wold look at before Valencia.
Maybe, but on transfer deadline day with no WP application required, no loan fee required and probably little in the way of wages to cover, who's owned by a team with a great transfer track record?

It would be a very easy transfer to get over the line as it's no secret he's taking up one of our squad registration places and we're keen to move him on.
 

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Think it would be a good move for him. He needs to play and I think he'd do ok at that level with a team that wants to play..
 

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If he's not going, give him a number, we'll need the bodies in the squad now.
He has had a look at his options, he is not wanted here, and over the next week or so he will negotiate a pay off. Probably an easier sell for his agent that way.
 

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He has had a look at his options, he is not wanted here, and over the next week or so he will negotiate a pay off. Probably an easier sell for his agent that way.
Maybe, I suspect though he'll be given a number and he'll try and prove TF wrong. He did quite well in pre-season so would have no qualms with putting him in the cup squads.
 

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This guy was highly rated when he signed.
It's never really happened and I wonder why our top class coaches haven't been able to improve or integrate him into the team.
A loan might have worked, like it did for Toumani and others before.
 

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He has had a look at his options, he is not wanted here, and over the next week or so he will negotiate a pay off. Probably an easier sell for his agent that way.
We won’t pay up two years on a deal and now it’s past the window he couldn’t play until Jan.

He’s got a fat summer PL pay rise and in no hurry to move. I don’t blame him.
 

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Maybe, I suspect though he'll be given a number and he'll try and prove TF wrong. He did quite well in pre-season so would have no qualms with putting him in the cup squads.
At the expense of one of our young wingers who will gain from the experience.
 

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We won’t pay up two years on a deal and now it’s past the window he couldn’t play until Jan.

He’s got a fat summer PL pay rise and in no hurry to move. I don’t blame him.
You may know better than I, however, I am surprised that he would have received such an increase automatically . In respect of two years salary, that of course will be negotiated, and is unlikely to be two years salary. A large lump sum would be tempting if his agent has a job lined up for him. In this respect I was also under the impression that as a free agent who has only played for one club this season he is now allowed to sign for another immediately, the problem arises when he has already played for two clubs. No doubt you, or some other GPG'er will put me right on my assumptions in this post.
 

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A likeable player but never going to be good enough. Reckon we might pay up his deal at some point.

For now, play him vs Oldham and, if he fits in the 25 man squad, have him on standby for the first team in case it all goes belly up with injuries.
 

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A likeable player but never going to be good enough. Reckon we might pay up his deal at some point.

For now, play him vs Oldham and, if he fits in the 25 man squad, have him on standby for the first team in case it all goes belly up with injuries.
25 man squad is for League only.
 

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You may know better than I, however, I am surprised that he would have received such an increase automatically .
I'd be surprised if there was a single player in our squad without a Premier League salary increase written into their contracts. Pretty standard stuff.
 

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Maybe, but on transfer deadline day with no WP application required, no loan fee required and probably little in the way of wages to cover, who's owned by a team with a great transfer track record?

It would be a very easy transfer to get over the line as it's no secret he's taking up one of our squad registration places and we're keen to move him on.

Yes but why sign someone whos not good enough. Theres a reason why he would be easy to get over the line. Plus k think we would expect a loan fee and a wage contribution.
 

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I'd be surprised if there was a single player in our squad without a Premier League salary increase written into their contracts. Pretty standard stuff.
You may well be right, although, just to put it in as standard irrespective would not be good practice as there would be likely several examples that could cause a club to lose out financially, and make things extremely awkward. Valencia is such a case, Fosu another, and possibly Devissoglu. Fosu although the loan collapsed for known, reasons where salary did not appear to be an issue, but nevertheless all three could have been complicated by salary, and difficulties occur if there was an automatic increase, and none were unusual situations. I doubt that a club as shrewd as ours would box themselves into a corner unnecessarily.
 

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You may well be right, although, just to put it in as standard irrespective would not be good practice as there would be likely several examples that could cause a club to lose out financially, and make things extremely awkward. Valencia is such a case, Fosu another, and possibly Devissoglu. Fosu although the loan collapsed for known, reasons where salary did not appear to be an issue, but nevertheless all three could have been complicated by salary, and difficulties occur if there was an automatic increase, and none were unusual situations. I doubt that a club as shrewd as ours would box themselves into a corner unnecessarily.
But when buying these players the club expected them to be a success no?

You can't offer a contract to a player and then say that we're not going to agree to a very typical clause because we don't think you'll be successful with us... the player wouldn't sign.
 
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