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On holiday with Betinho I've heard.....
Having seen him play, I’m surprised we paid a fair bit to get him. I’m also surprised that we haven’t unloaded him yet. Maybe that’s because we’ve tried to actually sell him. He reminded me of another dud we had a few seasons ago, that winger called Gogia. I don’t think I’ve spelt his name correctly. Oh well.
 

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So, well out of favour then?
I still find it strange that he would forgo 3 months of 1st team football at Crewe and settle for the impasse he finds himself in now.

Thought he might follow James to Qatar to play in their PL but that window has now closed.
 

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Having seen him play, I’m surprised we paid a fair bit to get him. I’m also surprised that we haven’t unloaded him yet. Maybe that’s because we’ve tried to actually sell him. He reminded me of another dud we had a few seasons ago, that winger called Gogia. I don’t think I’ve spelt his name correctly. Oh well.
Gogia made us a profit and played in the Bundesliga. I'd be thrilled with that outcome for Joel.
 

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I still find it strange that he would forgo 3 months of 1st team football at Crewe and settle for the impasse he finds himself in now.

Thought he might follow James to Qatar to play in their PL but that window has now closed.
Odd one, maybe he thought he could still force himself into the reckoning for the first team? Seems clear that the coaching staff don't feel that way so would be surprised if he wasn't aware of that..
 

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I still find it strange that he would forgo 3 months of 1st team football at Crewe and settle for the impasse he finds himself in now.

Thought he might follow James to Qatar to play in their PL but that window has now closed.
Can’t view everything through a purely footballing lens.

Put yourself in Valencia’s shoes. You’re a foreigner living in London, probably just about nicely settled by now, training at a Premier League club. Deadline day comes around and you can either stay put (albeit with only a small chance of regular football) or move to Crewe, a place miles from London that you’ve never heard of before, at one day’s notice, to join a third tier club.

I am not surprised he decided to stay put.
 

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These news blackouts on certain players are strange. Similarly, there’s never been a single medical update on Jeanvier, complete media silence for a year now.
 

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Can’t view everything through a purely footballing lens.

Put yourself in Valencia’s shoes. You’re a foreigner living in London, probably just about nicely settled by now, training at a Premier League club. Deadline day comes around and you can either stay put (albeit with only a small chance of regular football) or move to Crewe, a place miles from London that you’ve never heard of before, at one day’s notice, to join a third tier club.

I am not surprised he decided to stay put.
Quite. Had he been an established Bees first teamer just needing to find fitness and form or a young player needing to get competitive senior games under his belt, a loan to Crewe would have made sense. But he’s neither and going there would have been an admission that his future lies in L1 and 2. Even a good spell there where he knocked in 15-20 goals would probably not get him a Championship move let alone promote him up the order here. And there’s no evidence that he’d thrive in a more robust league.

That’s a massive come down from now and from being a title winner, international, player of the season before arriving at Brentford. There’s no hint he doesn’t try and doesn’t work hard in training, it’s just not worked for him. It makes sense to hold out for maybe a club in MLS or the Middle East. Knowing us we’ll probably sell him to one at a profit!
 

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Can’t view everything through a purely footballing lens.

Put yourself in Valencia’s shoes. You’re a foreigner living in London, probably just about nicely settled by now, training at a Premier League club. Deadline day comes around and you can either stay put (albeit with only a small chance of regular football) or move to Crewe, a place miles from London that you’ve never heard of before, at one day’s notice, to join a third tier club.

I am not surprised he decided to stay put.
He could have demanded a loan deal like the one Antonio had at Cheltenham where Martin Allen personally drove him back to London after Saturday home games 😂
 

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Can’t view everything through a purely footballing lens.

Put yourself in Valencia’s shoes. You’re a foreigner living in London, probably just about nicely settled by now, training at a Premier League club. Deadline day comes around and you can either stay put (albeit with only a small chance of regular football) or move to Crewe, a place miles from London that you’ve never heard of before, at one day’s notice, to join a third tier club.

I am not surprised he decided to stay put.
I get that he may have a family and is probably settled but the peripatetic nature of his professional means such a scenario is often inevitable. He would be swapping one rented apartment in west London for another in central Manchester (a train to Crewe takes 30 mins btw).

If what you are saying is true then we'll only be able to offload him to a handful of clubs in London (which ain't ever going to happen btw).
 

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I get that he may have a family and is probably settled but the peripatetic nature of his professional means such a scenario is often inevitable. He would be swapping one rented apartment in west London for another in central Manchester (a train to Crewe takes 30 mins btw).

If what you are saying is true then we'll only be able to offload him to a handful of clubs in London (which ain't ever going to happen btw).
The days of offloading players who are in contract to clubs they don’t want to go to went 20+ years ago. If he doesn’t see a move as being in his interests why the hell should he move?
 
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These news blackouts on certain players are strange. Similarly, there’s never been a single medical update on Jeanvier, complete media silence for a year now.
Same would have happened to Shandon, if he hadn’t taken matters in hand with his excellent and informative Vlogs. In the other hand the player himself may not want the publicity. It’s hard for us to know.
 

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Quite. Had he been an established Bees first teamer just needing to find fitness and form or a young player needing to get competitive senior games under his belt, a loan to Crewe would have made sense. But he’s neither and going there would have been an admission that his future lies in L1 and 2. Even a good spell there where he knocked in 15-20 goals would probably not get him a Championship move let alone promote him up the order here. And there’s no evidence that he’d thrive in a more robust league.

That’s a massive come down from now and from being a title winner, international, player of the season before arriving at Brentford. There’s no hint he doesn’t try and doesn’t work hard in training, it’s just not worked for him. It makes sense to hold out for maybe a club in MLS or the Middle East. Knowing us we’ll probably sell him to one at a profit!
Also, he's not exactly a big, burly 6'4 centre half. L1 football is not likely to play to his strengths which in the eyes of the 'football village' will only harm his reputation - can't hack it in league one - his wage value would fall very quickly.
 

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No reason for him to move to League 1 to a place like Crewe when he can stay in London, on decent wages, and train at a Premier League club, and most likely get a much better move in January.
 

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Also, he's not exactly a big, burly 6'4 centre half. L1 football is not likely to play to his strengths which in the eyes of the 'football village' will only harm his reputation - can't hack it in league one - his wage value would fall very quickly.
Yes, I could see a rationale for going to a L1 club that was a strong promotion contender like Sunderland or Wigan and it being a chance to help take them up and be in demand from them next season in the Championship or get a place in a relegated club with strong ambition to get promoted back. Going to the Stadium of Light or even the DW and ending up with an open top bus parade wouldn’t feel like giving up on a high level career. Getting Crewe to 20th would.
 

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They made sure to try and obscure the other faces, but yeah, that's him in B team training, not convinced it was the warm up.

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Either Jack Rodwell or Jack Wikshere I reckon.
Initially I thought, no way. However given the current injuries to Shandon and Josh for possibly quite a while its really not a bad shout to bolster up our midfield with players on ( I guess would be ) short term contracts with experience of the Premiership.
 

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Initially I thought, no way. However given the current injuries to Shandon and Josh for possibly quite a while its really not a bad shout to bolster up our midfield with players on ( I guess would be ) short term contracts with experience of the Premiership.
I somehow doubt that as either no longer at standard required for premier league despite their track records as much younger players. Wilshere was very special as a 19 year old or so but injuries soon took their toll
 

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Wonder whether his minutes for the B team in midweek was because we're starting to get a little thin on first team squad players?
 
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