Jonas Lössl (Returned to parent club)

[ruislip bee]

Raya's only just come back into training, I wouldn't expect it for at least another month personally. Certainly no less than three weeks.

As for Lossl, first goal I haven't seen back, but looked a bit easy with how he came forward. Otherwise looked fine to me... a bit more composure and slightly less panicky than Alvaro. Happy to have him between the sticks on Saturday.

Agree with all of that but would add his distribution was so much better which helped Toney no end.

 

[Paul O'Brien]

Distribution was excellent and couldn't do much with the first two goals. Not too thrilled with the header which hit the bar after he started to go for a cross but then changed his mind too late. The third goal would sometimes be stopped by Raya with pure luck; other times it would have gone past him, so not worried by that goal.

 

[jlove]

Interesting view from WhoScored's match preview:

• Alvaro Fernandez has a decent chance of an immediate reprieve after Jonas Lossl's less-than convincing display in goal against United.

 

[Brentford77]

Interesting view from WhoScored's match preview:

• Alvaro Fernandez has a decent chance of an immediate reprieve after Jonas Lossl's less-than convincing display in goal against United.

I saw him as a useful #3 who could warm the bench until #1 returns from injury. Nothing I have seen on Wednesday has changed my view

 

[rebus]

Better with his feet and with his mouth than Alvaro but not sure that he was better with his hands. I'd give him Wolves and Everton to prove himself... or otherwise, but will be so pleased when Raya is back.

He’ll be in until Raya returns, which I suspect is about another month if his rehab continues at the current rate.

 

[maddogging]

He can kick it 20 yards further than Fernandez which immediately keeps Ivan further up field, so it’s a yes from me

 

[Doovster]

Raya's only just come back into training, I wouldn't expect it for at least another month personally. Certainly no less than three weeks.

As for Lossl, first goal I haven't seen back, but looked a bit easy with how he came forward. Otherwise looked fine to me... a bit more composure and slightly less panicky than Alvaro. Happy to have him between the sticks on Saturday.

Having watched it back, I think it's just the first touch that completely wrong-footed him. It was either an amazing touch or a fluke by Elanga, but either way it did Lossl.

 

[Delbee]

He’ll be in until Raya returns, which I suspect is about another month if his rehab continues at the current rate.

When asked Wednesday would he be back in 2 weeks he said no it’s going to be longer

 

[Hampshire Bee 2018]

When asked Wednesday would he be back in 2 weeks he said no it’s going to be longer

A month is longer than 2 weeks then? Glad we’ve cleared that one up

 

[ruislip bee]

A month is longer than 2 weeks then? Glad we’ve cleared that one up

They did say 4 months out when he first got injured. So that would suggest another month from now.

 

[Oxford Bee]

He’ll be in until Raya returns, which I suspect is about another month if his rehab continues at the current rate.

It wouldn’t make a lot of sense - in the absence of further injury - to swap back to Alvaro with Raya so close to a return.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Have a day off nothing he could of done with any of the goals. First league game and his passing was well above the level of AF. He keeps the jersey.

 

[AB]

He can kick it 20 yards further than Fernandez which immediately keeps Ivan further up field, so it’s a yes from me

Alternately, maybe he was kicking longer because Ivan was further upfield?

 

[whyteleafebee76]

His technique means he kicks longer and it's pinged rather than floated, this was much better for Ivan.

 

[Stungbybee]

I was not impressed with him against Manchester United. But we have to remember that he came from the danish league, where they have had a winter break for a long time now, so he has not played at all for very long. Futhermore he was injured before the winter break, and when he came back, he had to take place on the bench, because the other keeper had done a great job. So he is not in his best shape right now and will (probably) get better and better.

 

[TW3Bee]

Have a day off nothing he could of done with any of the goals. First league game and his passing was well above the level of AF. He keeps the jersey.

Thanks Thomas.

 

[olliebfc]

Many saying Fernandez is just a shot stopper and all premier league goalkeepers are that… Well Jonas dosent look like one at all. Doesn’t get near to shots, are we going to have the same frame by frame analysis of him not getting to shots like happened with Fernandez? Spoiler alert his arms aren’t even out near the ball.

 

[Mr Cynical]

I fear we've been incredibly spoilt with Raya! Hope we all appreciate him when he's back!!

 

[westendbee]

Many saying Fernandez is just a shot stopper and all premier league goalkeepers are that… Well Jonas dosent look like one at all. Doesn’t get near to shots, are we going to have the same frame by frame analysis of him not getting to shots like happened with Fernandez? Spoiler alert his arms aren’t even out near the ball.

He seems to just watch the ball go past him - has he made a proper save yet? In the absence of Raya I’d rather have a shot stopper than someone who can kick.

 

[shouldbee]

Fernandez is better and safer until Raya comes back. A very poor decision by TF !

 

[detours]

If Fernandez had let Wolves' 2nd in he'd be getting crucified on here for it. Raya is definitely saving that.

Lossl's kicking and overall game looks good enough, but very hard to say if he's an upgrade or a downgrade on Fernández at this point

 

[olliebfc]

If Fernandez had let Wolves' 2nd in he'd be getting crucified on here for it. Raya is definitely saving that.

Lossl's kicking and overall game looks good enough, but very hard to say if he's an upgrade or a downgrade on Fernández at this point

Also have to say the third that didn’t count he made no attempt. Pinnock had closed the angle well so the shot was only going in one area, be prepared to save a high one and hope your feet are quick enough to stop a daisy cutter.

 

[Dazza]

Feel like we've taken out a keeper who can make saves but is rooted to his line and can't really kick for a keeper that is happy to play sweeper and has a decent kick but can't save. Between them we have cover for Raya but sadly we're not allowed to play them both at the same time.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

The keeper isn’t the issue. Could of done better with the second. First he had no chance.

Even the second comes at him like a rocket. If you give good players a free hit from the edge of the box you get punished. In fact I think he did well to get a hand to the second.

We need Raya back.

 

[jbee]

Fernandez was a mess. I'm not sure where this narrative comes from that he was unfairly picked on? Everyone wanted him to be good he just wasn't. Lossl seems a very marginal improvement but we really need Raya back.

 

[Zeeco]

Lossl is far too slow getting down to low shots, not good enough for prem level in imo.

 

[Hampshire Bee 2018]

He’s no Raya (obviously) but I think as a unit we look more secure with him in goal. His distribution is so important to our style of play and I think other players went missing today more so than our keeper.

 

[Houghton Bee]

Gunnarsson > Lossl.


Insane to have sold a young prospect for this old never-been.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

A save would be nice.

 

[Indian Bee]

He gives us presence that Alvaro doesn't at set pieces but he should have done better IMO with United's first and Wolves second today.

 

[Delbee]

To me he’s no better than Fernandez

 

[exactonian]

Don't normally comment on players threads but please God get Fernandez back

 

[Mr Cynical]

He gives us presence that Alvaro doesn't at set pieces but he should have done better IMO with United's first and Wolves second today.

Does he? Has he taken one cross yet? Not convinced his kicking is much better either if we're honest.

 

[Indian Bee]

Does he? Has he taken one cross yet? Not convinced his kicking is much better either if we're honest.

On your second question - yes he did against United. On your point, I didn't mention his kicking.

 

[ChertseyBee]

Does he know he’s allowed to move his feet?

 

[Beefletch]

Went down in installments for that second goal !

 

[costabees]

Shocking for their 2nd goal, has to save that. We're in a hard situation where we have two inadequate backup keepers.

 

[TW3Bee]

He seems to just watch the ball go past him - has he made a proper save yet? In the absence of Raya I’d rather have a shot stopper than someone who can kick.

He made a strange one against Man U, when he shovelled around the post for a corner, when it seemed easier to catch it.

 

[Deanos196]

We’ve got a keeper who is a very good shot stopper but can’t kick or claim a cross
And a keeper who can kick and claim a cross but can’t save shots u couldn’t make this up

 

[sonofabee]

Sorry f***** useless. Not seen him stop a shot on target yet

 

[Indian Bee]

Shocking for their 2nd goal, has to save that. We're in a hard situation where we have two inadequate backup keepers.

How much would it have cost to just kept Luke Daniels for a year? Next to nothing. He would have done a decent job in my view and has never let us down. I actually feel sorry for Alvaro more so as he probably never expected to play as many games as he has but what is evident in the PL one needs a back up quality for every position and we sadly do not.

 

[costabees]

How much would it have cost to just kept Luke Daniels for a year? Next to nothing. He would have done a decent job in my view and has never let us down. I actually feel sorry for Alvaro more so as he probably never expected to play as many games as he has but what is evident in the PL one needs a back up quality for every position and we sadly do not.

I agree with this and had a similar conversation the other day. I think Daniels does a better job than both, while also having that long-term understanding of the current squad too. Poor decision.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

How much would it have cost to just kept Luke Daniels for a year? Next to nothing. He would have done a decent job in my view and has never let us down. I actually feel sorry for Alvaro more so as he probably never expected to play as many games as he has but what is evident in the PL one needs a back up quality for every position and we sadly do not.

Pretty sure Luke had a need to be nearer home, think he would have stated but the club did him a good turn.
Both the back ups are flawed.

 

[Hippobee]

Sorry f***** useless. Not seen him stop a shot on target yet

Not sure why so many expected him to be brilliant because he once played in the prem with a poor Huddersfield side and wasn't first choice for FCM in a poor quality league.

Not saying Fernandez is the answer - he's not, but at least he's a shot stopper. And he has the potential to be coached and improve - Lossl hasn't. And we've won PL games with him playing.

Raya is out. The coaching team need to accept Fernandez is not going to kick like a Raya and sort the rest of the bloody team out who are paid to use their feet and pass to another bloke in red and white, not use their hands. And if they could generally move 20 yards up the pitch while doing it, it might help.

 

[Indian Bee]

Pretty sure Luke had a need to be nearer home, think he would have stated but the club did him a good turn.
Both the back ups are flawed.

Thanks. Didn't know the background re. Luke. Agree current both are flawed for different reasons. Alvaro is just too young and I am certain we will not be taking up the option come end of the year. I however would not be surprised if he ends up a quality keeper but in another league over time. Lossl to me has more presence but my god he should have done better for United first goal and the second today and it is interesting TF made the reference in his sky interview tonight about he also felt he should have done better.

 

[Holysmit]

If hes not good enough to play in the Danish league, why would he be good enough to play in the Premier league.

 

[Herbert]

Well....everyone got their wish in dropping Hernandez

 

[Mr Cynical]

Makes the decision to let Gunnarrsson leave even more odd.. Was a very good keeper who was also really good with the ball at his feet..

 

[ChertseyBee]

Makes the decision to let Gunnarrsson leave even more odd.. Was a very good keeper who was also really good with the ball at his feet..

Agreed. I would be massively underwhelmed if we end up with either Lossl or Fernandez still here next season. Neither good enough.

 

[FetaJogger]

JL should definitely have saved the 2nd goal today, I also think he was off in his placement on the offside goal, should have placed himself two sidesteps more to his left... Not his best day at the office...