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Has signed for Manchester United according to reports. Nothing confirmed by either club so no further details yet known.
 

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Has signed for Manchester United according to reports. Nothing confirmed by either club so no further details yet known.

This is a disgrace. If we still had the academy there is NO WAY we would be losing players we have worked years developing for under £250k to some of the best funded and developed youth systems in the world.

*This post is sponsored by the Brentford Loyal Facebook group.

:)
 

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this is very odd.good enough to be offered a three year deal at man utd but not a first team deal with us...even if it was to protect ourselves
 

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This is a disgrace. If we still had the academy there is NO WAY we would be losing players we have worked years developing for under £250k to some of the best funded and developed youth systems in the world.

*This post is sponsored by the Brentford Loyal Facebook group.

:)

The directors of football have to step forward and resign - we are developing players too good for our own team.
 

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this is very odd.good enough to be offered a three year deal at man utd but not a first team deal with us...even if it was to protect ourselves

As he's 17 not sure he can have a full time deal....? Got this from the FA;

A Player under 18 years of age and in receipt of full-time education* in accordance with the Education Acts may not enter into a contract of employment with a Club in membership of The Association or an Affiliated Association. (ii) A Player under 17 years of age may not enter into a contract of employment with a Club in membership with The Association or an Affiliated Association, except as a Trainee or Scholar as provided for by Rule C3.

Maybe he's signing a 3 year trainee contract with United?
 

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this is very odd.good enough to be offered a three year deal at man utd but not a first team deal with us...even if it was to protect ourselves

As he's 17 not sure he can have a full time deal....? Got this from the FA;

A Player under 18 years of age and in receipt of full-time education* in accordance with the Education Acts may not enter into a contract of employment with a Club in membership of The Association or an Affiliated Association. (ii) A Player under 17 years of age may not enter into a contract of employment with a Club in membership with The Association or an Affiliated Association, except as a Trainee or Scholar as provided for by Rule C3.

Maybe he's signing a 3 year trainee contract with United?
 

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This is a disgrace. If we still had the academy there is NO WAY we would be losing players we have worked years developing for under £250k to some of the best funded and developed youth systems in the world.

*This post is sponsored by the Brentford Loyal Facebook group.

:)

Please remove that last bit :)
 

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It's mention above that we should not accept less than £250k and sell ons . So we loose the kid but make some money on the deal if what's been said is correct re the fee

I like others in the past have seen great youngster but when push comes to shove they do not progress
 

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It's mention above that we should not accept less than £250k and sell ons . So we loose the kid but make some money on the deal if what's been said is correct re the fee

I like others in the past have seen great youngster but when push comes to shove they do not progress
Where does it mention £250K?
 
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So we don't get anything then

Not sure.

Someone mentioned that we were to receive £55,000 each for Bohui and Poveda, but I don't know if there's any truth in it.

I see it as justification for closing the academy - what is the point of putting all that time and effort towards developing a player, when they can be snapped up by a PL team for (in PL terms) next to nothing?
 

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Billy Hunt; I see it as justification for closing the academy - what is the point of putting all that time and effort towards developing a player said:
Yes I understand, another point of the rich getting rich ( in players)
 

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Three posts above

By my calculations we will receive £103,000.

£25,000 for every year he spent at the club from the age of 12-16 (4 by my calculations), £3,000 for every year he spent at the club between 9-11 (1), and £0 for his time at the club after the age of 16 (apparently you peak at 16 according to the Premier League so no point developing players past that age).
 
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By my calculations we will receive £103,000.

£25,000 for every year he spent at the club from the age of 12-16 (4 by my calculations), £3,000 for every year he spent at the club between 9-11 (1), and £0 for his time at the club after the age of 16 (apparently you peak at 16 according to the Premier League so no point developing players past that age).

So for every Pogba they can buy 970 Bohuis.
 

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Exactly, what is the point of it all,
Why should any club pinch them for peanuts, just not right😈
I hate premiership
Till we get there of course 😉 ...

Is ose aibangee ? Stll there
Etc etc
 

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Exactly, what is the point of it all,
Why should any club pinch them for peanuts, just not right😈
I hate premiership
Till we get there of course 😉 ...

Is ose aibangee ? Stll there
Etc etc

The Premier Clubs will have too many players, which will allow our elite development squad to prosper as we pick off some talents that fall by the wayside at 18. It's seems a better model than developing from 8 year olds and being nicked for peanuts at 16/17.
 

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No. :D

Reading and QPR are on his radar.....

Over 30 academy staff lost their jobs too.

This EPPP will certainly cause more Clubs to end full academies or lower their category.

With Poveda and Bohui going for peanuts, what is the point of a full cat. 1 Or cat.2 academy anymore?
 

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Thanks, wanderer for information...
What about the dome at Uxbridge
We still use that ? Ok in the winter though...
 

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It's disappointing to lose him, and hard as it is when a club like Man U comes knocking, I can't help but wonder whether more could have been done to keep him on the books. He stood out in a game I watched towards the end of last season -- a fast track towards the first team squad might have helped, although this is only a surmise, of course. Certainly these departures undermine the rationale for an academy.
 

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With Poveda and Bohui going for peanuts, what is the point of a full cat. 1 Or cat.2 academy anymore?

What's to say that they would've gone if we had kept the academy open? They've only gone for peanuts because we didn't have an academy for them. The fact that big clubs are looking at our former academy players surely suggests that it was doing something right.
 

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What's to say that they would've gone if we had kept the academy open? They've only gone for peanuts because we didn't have an academy for them. The fact that big clubs are looking at our former academy players surely suggests that it was doing something right.

So spend another £2m plus per year to see what happens? Then, when they get offered a pro deal - at 18 - they can still turn it down and move somewhere else for peanuts, what is the point of a Cat.2 academy for clubs below the PL?
 

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What's to say that they would've gone if we had kept the academy open? They've only gone for peanuts because we didn't have an academy for them. The fact that big clubs are looking at our former academy players surely suggests that it was doing something right.

If my understanding is correct, up until the age of 17 you can only sign schoolboy forms. Not until you turn 17 can you be offered a pro contract and up until that point, the biggest clubs are able to cherry pick your best talent for a nominal fee. I'm sure someone will correct me if this isn't correct.
 

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Good luck to him. Time will tell if it works and he becomes a top class player or he disappears in the well of PL young talent that don't seem to emerge from their development set ups.
 

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What's to say that they would've gone if we had kept the academy open? They've only gone for peanuts because we didn't have an academy for them. The fact that big clubs are looking at our former academy players surely suggests that it was doing something right.

If you're a 17 year-old Josh Bohui and Manchester United offer you a 3-year scholarship are you likely to stay at Brentford?
 

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I did say this a while back, because the academy shut there was no compensation due. So he left for free, as did Zach Birse to Norwich. All scholars were able to walk away as their contracts were effectively torn up by the club.
 
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I did say this a while back, because the academy shut there was no compensation due. So he left for free, as did Zach Birse to Norwich. All scholars were able to walk away as their contracts were effectively torn up by the club.

Only 4 were offered deals, and only 1 stayed.

Fair do's. I guess it wasn't worth continuing with the Academy just to hold out for £100,000 or so for a couple of players. :shrug:
 

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I am aware of many players that would have been u16s next season being snapped up by clubs upon academy closure, 4 have gone to Saints! 2 to QPR, 3 to Palace, 2 possibly Liverpool or Stoke, 1 to Barnet. The academy was seriously one of the best in the south but I get all the is it worth it commercially piece, but the club would have always held the registrations to negotiate an improved deal. Just look at Will Mannion that has left AFC Dons to go to Hull gone to tribunal but they will do OK from that deal won't be peanuts.
 

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Fair do's. I guess it wasn't worth continuing with the Academy just to hold out for £100,000 or so for a couple of players. :shrug:
I guess the decision is to invest in the future as far as putting the money into the B Team instead. There were some seriously talented boys in the academy but Brentford are a forward thinking club and hopefully things will turn out well for them and the boys who have had to find new clubs.
 

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I guess the decision is to invest in the future as far as putting the money into the B Team instead. There were some seriously talented boys in the academy but Brentford are a forward thinking club and hopefully things will turn out well for them and the boys who have had to find new clubs.

Some of those boys will get ditched further down the line and some may end up back at the club in a few years
 
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I guess the decision is to invest in the future as far as putting the money into the B Team instead. There were some seriously talented boys in the academy but Brentford are a forward thinking club and hopefully things will turn out well for them and the boys who have had to find new clubs.

I guess that EPPP doesn't affect the B team. :shrug:
 

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I am aware of many players that would have been u16s next season being snapped up by clubs upon academy closure, 4 have gone to Saints! 2 to QPR, 3 to Palace, 2 possibly Liverpool or Stoke, 1 to Barnet.

Would be interested to know their names!
 

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Seems to be highly rated up there............... Being chased by France and Ivory Coast to switch from England.
 
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Interesting. I wonder if we'll go back in for him.
 

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Cant see him coming back to us.
 

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Whether he was actually good enough to make the grade or not, even in the championship at 18 or 19, Manchester United have exploited what everyone said would happen....

Cherry pick the promising players for peanuts to them and if they don't work out, they've not lost much.
If the £103,000 is correct, and a salary to match youth terms (say £2,000 a week), they've spent about £400,000. To them, they've not really lost much have they in the great scheme of things, but if it were is, that is a fair wedge that could go towards a player. Get 10 players in and it's cost £4m. Only really need 1 to work for it to be financially worthwhile exercise.
 
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