Josh Cavallo Comes Out as Gay

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It's up to the players to show some, instead of hiding, only then will it be seen properly in Euro football.
Enough advertising is given to LBGT, therefore in my opinion, gay players should not be afraid of "coming out" anymore.
 

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Unfortunately there are still a large number of ignorant people. Imagine a gay player scoring and then giving it large to a crowd. There are enough morons to then in return shout homophobic abuse.

Hopefully the mroe exposure the LBGT community get and hopefully more players it will become a thing of the past the abuse.
 

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Unfortunately there are still a large number of ignorant people. Imagine a gay player scoring and then giving it large to a crowd. There are enough morons to then in return shout homophobic abuse.

Hopefully the mroe exposure the LBGT community get and hopefully more players it will become a thing of the past the abuse.
It used to happen with black players didn't it? Progress is progress and this should lead to more progress
 

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Imagine a gay player scoring and then giving it large to a crowd. There are enough morons to then in return shout homophobic abuse.

Hopefully the more exposure the LBGT community get and hopefully more players it will become a thing of the past the abuse.
And that is what I am saying, the gay players need to grow some, no different to fans singing "The ref's a w*nker" or "You fat b*rstard" and the LBGT community do not need more exposure, rainbow laces, gay prides, TV, media advertising etc,etc,etc...........everyone knows,it's in the open and players should take the stand and quash the rumour mill,not that it matters.
 

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It's up to the players to show some, instead of hiding, only then will it be seen properly in Euro football.
Enough advertising is given to LBGT, therefore in my opinion, gay players should not be afraid of "coming out" anymore.
Yes. With all the advertising I quite fancy giving it a go myself.
 

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It's up to the players to show some, instead of hiding, only then will it be seen properly in Euro football.
Enough advertising is given to LBGT, therefore in my opinion, gay players should not be afraid of "coming out" anymore.
There were, despite the club asking beforehand and during the game not to, lots singing the Chelsea Rent Boys song. You yourself mentioned the rumour about Cantwell.

Things are loads better these days in much of society but not yet in football. I was talking to a gay mate in his 40s the other day who is pretty handy with his fists and also has a very good sixth sense of when violence is about to kick off. Because despite being something of a fop wearing bow ties and jackets only Richard Whiteley could get away with, even when much more “straight acting” in his youth, getting a shoeing was a regular risk. Another gay friend who’s been out for years keeps it to himself at work until he can gauge how tolerant it is. Some places he outs himself the first after work drinks, others, not until his leaving do. I don’t think any straight man has ever really needed to keep quiet about having a wife or girlfriend except when trying nevertheless to cop off. It’s easy to think that because you’re not prejudiced at all and there’s a lot of positive visibility of LGBT these days that nobody much cares any more.

It’s highly improbable that no PL club has a single gay or bi player. Or indeed that all of them don’t in fact have half a dozen who just have known from joining as teens it wasn’t something they could even mention to their best mate at the club without probably ending their career dreams.
 

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The trite thing is to say is “its much more out there these days, so it doesn’t really matter”, where as unfortunately to the people still getting abused, both verbally and physically for their sexuality it clearly still is a huge concern.
People like this guy will make it easier for others to be openly gay in football, and huge credit to him, but sadly many people will still hold onto their prejudice.
 

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'Darkwood' has asked me to point out that this is just a first step towards football replacing straight male players with gays...

(I'm taking the piss out of DW, just in case anyone misconstrues)
 

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It isn’t supposed to be.
More a comment on the use of the word advertising which in my opinion was poorly judged.
Why "poorly judged" as I said in other post, LGBT is all over the media, it is "advertising" the fact that being gay is an acceptable way of life now as is Pride, flying the LGBT flag from my local Police station during Pride, all a form of "advertising" the fact of acceptability.

Of course there will always be those that oppose, for me I couldn't give a diddly what people do in their private lives, what I do object to is blatant in your face public behaviour, like guys kissing/snogging in the street, pub etc or putting on the childish squeals/behaviour.

Anyway, said my bit, well done to the chap coming out, I am sure there will be others that follow.
 

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Why "poorly judged" as I said in other post, LGBT is all over the media, it is "advertising" the fact that being gay is an acceptable way of life now as is Pride, flying the LGBT flag from my local Police station during Pride, all a form of "advertising" the fact of acceptability.

Of course there will always be those that oppose, for me I couldn't give a diddly what people do in their private lives, what I do object to is blatant in your face public behaviour, like guys kissing/snogging in the street, pub etc or putting on the childish squeals/behaviour.

Anyway, said my bit, well done to the chap coming out, I am sure there will be others that follow.
Do you mind men kissing women in the street/pub?
 
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'Darkwood' has asked me to point out that this is just a first step towards football replacing straight male players with gays...

(I'm taking the piss out of DW, just in case anyone misconstrues)
I was hoping to see his reaction to this. Shame he got canned. :)
 

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or women kissing women?
Yup.........in public in front of my grandkids.......so double Yup!
Before we go down this route, I have no problem with same gender kissing in the right place, but when it is blatant, all over each other, as has been witnessed by family a few times in bars/restaurants, then I draw the line and will complain or say something to those involved.

Being non- homophobic, I have no problem with the gay community, in fact I will be having a couple of pints of 'Bow at Peek a Booze (A well known LGBT and Drag bar) in Blackpool, on the way to meet the chaps on Friday, so I do not have a homophobic problem, especially when a pint is £2 :50 and the lesbian serving me.............well I will keep that thought.
 

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Yup.........in public in front of my grandkids.......so double Yup!
Before we go down this route, I have no problem with same gender kissing in the right place, but when it is blatant, all over each other, as has been witnessed by family a few times in bars/restaurants, then I draw the line and will complain or say something to those involved.

Being non- homophobic, I have no problem with the gay community, in fact I will be having a couple of pints of 'Bow at Peek a Booze (A well known LGBT and Drag bar) in Blackpool, on the way to meet the chaps on Friday, so I do not have a homophobic problem, especially when a pint is £2 :50 and the lesbian serving me.............well I will keep that thought.
Why is a man “blatantly” kissing his boyfriend/husband in the pub (or a woman and her girlfriend/wife) doing so in the wrong place whereas a man “blatantly” kissing his wife in the pub quite fine?

Obviously if either couple start ripping each others clothes off and humping on the pool table in front of your grandchildren it’d be inappropriate but both kissing at a level of raunchiness that you’d consider ok for a straight couple but not a gay one?
 

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Yup.........in public in front of my grandkids.......so double Yup!
Before we go down this route, I have no problem with same gender kissing in the right place, but when it is blatant, all over each other, as has been witnessed by family a few times in bars/restaurants, then I draw the line and will complain or say something to those involved.

Being non- homophobic, I have no problem with the gay community, in fact I will be having a couple of pints of 'Bow at Peek a Booze (A well known LGBT and Drag bar) in Blackpool, on the way to meet the chaps on Friday, so I do not have a homophobic problem, especially when a pint is £2 :50 and the lesbian serving me.............well I will keep that thought.
" all over each other, as has been witnessed by family a few times in bars/restaurants, then I draw the line and will complain or say something to those involved."

I don't think you're quite there yet Lush.
 

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" all over each other, as has been witnessed by family a few times in bars/restaurants, then I draw the line and will complain or say something to those involved."

I don't think you're quite there yet Lush.
If it can be passed off as just being friendly or possibly French, all fine.
 

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Oh dear. In one sentence "I'm not homophobic" but in another. "I'm happy men kissing women" but not happy "men kissing men" in public...

Couldn't make it up lol

And this is why footballers and the LGBT community have to advertise/educate people.
 

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Visibility is so important and the courage of Josh's words will mean something to a lot of young LGBTQ people, and that's the most important thing.

"It's been a journey to get to this point in my life, but I couldn't be happier with my decision to come out," he said.
"I have been fighting my sexuality for six years now and I'm glad I can put that to rest.
"Growing up I always felt the need to hide myself because I was ashamed - ashamed I would never be able to do what I loved and be gay."

I've been that 15 year old myself and it never stops being important for people to say it and let young people who feel the same way know that they aren't alone and that things will be okay. 6 years is a long time to carry any emotional turmoil whatever it may be, and if reading his words helps just 1 person, that's a wonderful thing.

I live a totally open, very happy Bees supporting life as a gay man but it's not without bumps in the road to get there and I'll never forget the support, words and experience of others along the way that helped me (the gay bit I mean, not the Brentford bit. Well, wait. Both actually.)
 

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On a plus/positive I think 99% of most dressing rooms at clubs would welcome and praise any player coming out.
I think there is one club in the NE of England where a gay player would find it difficult to come out and not because of the reaction in the dressing room.
 

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Oh dear. In one sentence "I'm not homophobic" but in another. "I'm happy men kissing women" but not happy "men kissing men" in public...

Couldn't make it up lol

And this is why footballers and the LGBT community have to advertise/educate people.
Seriously, read the posts I made, I said basically that over the top snogging was not acceptable to me, in front of my grandkids.
A kiss is different from a full on love in, which again I said we have witnessed.
If you or anyone else on here feel that is appropriate, then that's your choice, if you are saying I am homophobic, then again your choice.
Personally, I couldn't give a diddly as I know as well as a lot of my gay friends do my reasonings.

Just to let you all know, back in the 70's and 80's I used to employ all the top drag acts from the area, not all gay but 90% were, those became very good friends and even one of them (totally homosexual) used to baby sit my daughter and son, so yes I am not homophobic at all.

I do not need educating and like I said, I shall visit and probably witness men kissing men and women kissing women possibly men kissing women, all in one place, when I pop into (on my own) one of Blackpool's well known LGBT bars to see an old friend Cybil DuVaux and his/her LGBT staff on Friday.

Or would you all like to give me some educating on how I should behave, what I should say or maybe not say?.
No?
Then I shall say and behave how I have for many, many years and been accepted by many, no, all of my LGBT friends.

Perhaps, when out with your families and you come across men /women kissing full on, which sometimes leads to touching each other in public, as we as a family have witnessed and then your kids asking "what they are doing", is it right for me or you to say "crack on kid's, that is how responsible adults behave in public these day's".

Right, now going to get ready to watch the match with an old friend, his real name is Nawaz, but we all know him as Joe and have done for 40 odd years, oh did I mention he is a Pakistani........old school, none of this happy clappy crap!!!

You can upset some, but there are lot's that you can't..........!!

COYB!
 

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I've been that 15 year old myself and it never stops being important for people to say it and let young people who feel the same way know that they aren't alone and that things will be okay. 6 years is a long time to carry any emotional turmoil whatever it may be, and if reading his words helps just 1 person, that's a wonderful thing.

I live a totally open, very happy Bees supporting life as a gay man but it's not without bumps in the road to get there and I'll never forget the support, words and experience of others along the way that helped me (the gay bit I mean, not the Brentford bit. Well, wait. Both actually.)
Good on you bud, I am sure you will understand my comments on here,I hope?
Not the best at explaining, most of it from experience as an oldy.
I come across very hard nosed but I promise you, having worked within the LGBT community and also having worked with young people, who were in same position as you,I know how hard it is.
Walk tall and stand proud,all the best bud.
 

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@Lush55 - This is a thread about a brave and honest footballer coming out to the world. Not about how much touching and kissing you wish to witness in public :redcard: :judge: :backtotopic:

As said, the comments surrounding this,havea zero relevance to this thread.....so I'm not sure why you've brought it up? 🤔 But hey, you're mates gay, so I guess you're cool and all that?
 

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Odd that you specifically call out homosexuals on this to begin with though. I don't see why you've even brought it up.
FFS geez, what is your problem?
Shall I call out every gender or non gender in this OTT happy clappy world?
So the gay footballer in the OP is not homosexual?
Hence my posts.
I have explained my self ,given backing to the movement ,now give it rest ,enjoy the game.....jeez.,..
 

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FFS geez, what is your problem?
Shall I call out every gender or non gender in this OTT happy clappy world?
So the gay footballer in the OP is not homosexual?
Hence my posts.
I have explained my self ,given backing to the movement ,now give it rest ,enjoy the game.....jeez.,..
Why are you obsessed with posting so much on this thread about your disgust about men kissing men in public and making funny noises. It's not a good look to be honest.
 

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FFS geez, what is your problem?
Shall I call out every gender or non gender in this OTT happy clappy world?
So the gay footballer in the OP is not homosexual?
Hence my posts.
I have explained my self ,given backing to the movement ,now give it rest ,enjoy the game.....jeez.,..
Nope, just wouldn't expect anybody to call out anyone as it isn't relevant to the topic. Just asking the question but will move along now as per your wishes
 

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@Lush55 - This is a thread about a brave and honest footballer coming out to the world. Not about how much touching and kissing you wish to witness in public :redcard: :judge: :backtotopic:

As said, the comments surrounding this,havea zero relevance to this thread.....so I'm not sure why you've brought it up? 🤔 But hey, you're mates gay, so I guess you're cool and all that?
I was questioned, my original post applauded the guy, I have explained and answered in full all the questions and other stupid kissing and non kissing posts going, now I am going to watch the match.
 

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Good on you bud, I am sure you will understand my comments on here,I hope?
Not the best at explaining, most of it from experience as an oldy.
I come across very hard nosed but I promise you, having worked within the LGBT community and also having worked with young people, who were in same position as you,I know how hard it is.
Walk tall and stand proud,all the best bud.
Hi mate, thanks for the reply. To be honest I didn't fully understand all of what you said, specifically the straight/gay distinction, but that's no issue I wasn't offended or anything and I'm sure if we were talking face to face rather than on a forum it would be easier to make sense.

Your reply to me shows where you stand as far as I'm concerned, so that's all good :)

Just Googled Cybil DuVaux, sadly dont recognise!

Anyway, match time - you reds!
 

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Why are you obsessed with posting so much on this thread about your disgust about men kissing men in public and making funny noises. It's not a good look to be honest.
WTF you on about 'Nana, funny noises???
I was asked what my problem was, ask the rest of them,I answered truthfully in explanation,
What does not look good?
Happy Clappers insinuating I am homophobic?
I have explained all that and my reasons, I gave the OP my blessing and encourage others to come out, I may not be a Shakespeare but I am a down to earth happy go lucky guy,
Delete the posts if they offend, personally I could not give a wotsit.
Now COYB
 
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