JPT - Crap Or Get Off The Pot?

What Should We Do With The JPT?


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I've always been a big fan of the Freight Rover/Leyland Daf/Sherpa Van/JPT - call it what you will, ever since one of my favourite days out in 1985. But I've always found it a source of extreme frustration and irritation that so many people think it is a competition we should only really bother about when we're within a sniff of Wembley.

It's far more important to me than the League Cup or FA Cup which, apart from the chance of an occasional 'money spinner' getting stuffed by Aston Villa Reserves or some such like, are far more pointless :shrug:. It's actually our chance to win something.

This attitude that 'the league is far more important' so we should make half a dozen team changes irritates me. It's bollox. You wouldn't play with only half your first team away at Chelsea in the FA Cup would you? So why would that game be deemed 'as important as the league' in a competition we don't have a cat in hell's chance of winning? These are fit young blokes who should be more than capable of dealing with an extra 5 or 6 games of football a year in order to win the JPT.

So where do you stand on this? The wishy washy approach to it by managers and supporters alike says to me that sadly it's a waste of time in it's current guise and it's time for it to go. It's no wonder the club is charging a fiver in order to get 3,000 through the gates - they are just jumped up little reserve games at the moment.

It promised to be a great competition back in 1985 but just gets worse and more pointless every year which to me is a real shame. Your views? :pop:
 

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I agree 100% with all you say mazz. I think any competition that offers a realistic chance of a Wembley appearance should be taken seriously.
 

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Personally I could take it or leave it. I like anything that gives us the chance to get to Wembley, though having watched finals in Cardiff and London I can't say I have a lot of fond memories of this competition.

It isn't a bad distraction, but I get miles more excited at playing a Premier League team in the FA cup... possibly purely for the high-profile of giant killings.
 

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I'd agree in previous years about playing our "best team" but we now have a squad with depth and proper competition for places.
We need to give players game time and need them as fit as possible.
Lee, Legge & K0C three examples and all good quality and reliable
 

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It's a shame that the games aren't at the weekend (apart from the final), there would be alot more interest in it if it wasn't a midweek competition.
 

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Should be taken seriously as it's our only chance of winning a cup and you only need a couple of wins and your in the semi finals.

Winning a cup at Wembley would be a Memory to last a lifetime
 

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I hate it.:wave:

Apart from a day out at a half-full stadium while sitting with 15,000 day-trippers,it offers nothing.

Even if you win it,the rest of the football world won't even notice.

I would be happy if they binned it tomorrow.
 
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I'd agree in previous years about playing our "best team" but we now have a squad with depth and proper competition for places.
We need to give players game time and need them as fit as possible.
Lee, Legge & K0C three examples and all good quality and reliable
Totally disagree and in fact I reckon this will only screw our season up. For me, the way to go is a settled, best starting eleven and only change if you need to. I don't go in for all this squad rotation claptrap :no:. Eleven players that aren't utter girls and can manage a couple of games of football a week. That's what we need :yes:.
 

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Totally disagree and in fact I reckon this will only screw our season up. For me, the way to go is a settled, best starting eleven and only change if you need to. I don't go in for all this squad rotation claptrap :no:. Eleven players that aren't utter girls and can manage a couple of games of football a week. That's what we need :yes:.
I believe PJ was only talking in relation to the JPT which has to be used to give the likes of Dallas, Lee, Barron, German, Saunders et al valuable competitive game time.
 
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I believe PJ was only talking in relation to the JPT which has to be used to give the likes of Dallas, Lee, Barron, German, Saunders et al valuable competitive game time.
We used to call that "The Reserves" or the "Capital League". Not a competition with a Wembley final :shrug:.
 

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..............................................yep............................... I want another trip to Wembley and want to win it.................................
 

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A waste of time for me,if we were a broke going nowhere club I think this a good competition to give you a lift and if you get to Wembley have a great day out.
 

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IMO, to only have 2,000 odd fans in any game when tickets are a fiver is a disgrace in itself
 

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A waste of time for me,if we were a broke going nowhere club I think this a good competition to give you a lift and if you get to Wembley have a great day out.
are we too big a team now to bother trying to win a cup at wembley then?
 

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un needed distraction to the league
 

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We used to call that "The Reserves" or the "Capital League". Not a competition with a Wembley final :shrug:.
That's kind of the point isn't it the fact that there is a Wembley Final which we'd take circa 25k to kind of suggests it's a little bit above the "Capital League" you cite as a comparison.

You asked for an opinion you got it, if we do go to Wembley I'll certainly be there and I'll wager you would as well.
 

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The concept is good, allowing 3rd and 4th. tier clubs the real opportunity of a final at Wembley. Somehow the exucution is wrong and the whole concept should be revamped to give it more glamour.How or what needs doing I don't know, but maybe include the top half of the Conference, or the bottom half of the Championship. Also higher profile sponsorship with a bigger prize fund. As I say I don't know, but something seriously needs to be done to increase it's glamour.

Also I believe that it starts to early in the season. Clubs who have exited the FA and League cups by the end of December might take it more seriously.
 

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I like it. Its' a cup we can actually win and I like the relaxed atmosphere at games as there is not the pressure of a league game.
 

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I like it, so we should put out our strongest team. With a good chance of getting to Wembley this is my only excuse to come over and cheer the lads in a cup final.
 

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Keep the bloody thing going until we win it that scrap the blasted competition.
 

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It's a shame that the games aren't at the weekend (apart from the final), there would be alot more interest in it if it wasn't a midweek competition.
You'd have to magic up an extra four or five free weekends in a season for that to happen!

I was rather apathetic to the competition for a few years but our run to the final a couple of seasons ago rather rekindled the desire a little. It showed how a kind draw and a strong squad means after a few victories how Wembley is is suddenly in touching distance. It helps now that we're a strong league one side meaning that we are one of the strongest sides in the southern section. The atmosphere is also rather relaxed and enjoyable, particularly the early rounds where we all want to win but aren't going to go home crying if we go out.

Add cheap prices, local games that are easier to get to and the 6 players rule meaning managers can't just put out reserve sides have all helped the competition.
 

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The concept is good, allowing 3rd and 4th. tier clubs the real opportunity of a final at Wembley. Somehow the exucution is wrong and the whole concept should be revamped to give it more glamour.How or what needs doing I don't know, but maybe include the top half of the Conference, or the bottom half of the Championship. Also higher profile sponsorship with a bigger prize fund. As I say I don't know, but something seriously needs to be done to increase it's glamour.

Also I believe that it starts to early in the season. Clubs who have exited the FA and League cups by the end of December might take it more seriously.
conference has been done before.bottom half championship have too much to worry about to take part.no sponsor is seriously going to put bigger prize fund into it,higher profile sponsors rightly so wont want to get involved.attendances since it began 30+ years ago have always been low,a fraction of each clubs average attendace,proof is in the pudding,its rubbish

and id say the cost of running a football ground for each of these games must cost the club more than they profit
 

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I like it. Its' a cup we can actually win and I like the relaxed atmosphere at games as there is not the pressure of a league game.
relaxed atmosphere !?!? :rolleyes:
 
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You asked for an opinion you got it, if we do go to Wembley I'll certainly be there and I'll wager you would as well.
Certainly would be squire! I just find your opinion a little confusing as you voted Option 1 in the poll and your views would seem to be more consistent with Option 3. Perhaps I'm missing something :shrug:.

Must admit I'm very suprised by the poll so far with about 60% saying "play strongest team and go for it". I honestly thought I was the only one who gave a feck about the LDV :shrug:.
 

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Think it depends on how well the league form is going.

If we're plodding along in mid table progress in this competition can liven up the season.

But if we are pushing for promotion or trying to avoid relegation it can be a bit of a distraction.
 

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You'd have to magic up an extra four or five free weekends in a season for that to happen!
Yeah I know, I was more alluding to the fact that if the FA Cup was played midweek, it would be of no more interest attendance-wise than the JPT.
 

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Scrap it. We've not turned p to 3 finals. Not even sure I'd bother again if we got there.
 
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Yeah I know, I was more alluding to the fact that if the FA Cup was played midweek, it would be of no more interest attendance-wise than the JPT.
Hardly is anyway these days :shrug:. People used to love cup football when I started watching. Even the two legged First Round League cup ties would attract exactly the same (if not slightly better) crowds as league games in the 70s/80s.

This weird theory that players need their rest and it's asking too much of them to play football a couple of times a week for their fifty grand, soon put paid to that. Beating a team of Premier league "squad players" just hasn't got the same glamour to it as getting stuffed by the real team :sad:. Then Manchester United put the final nail in the coffin by deciding it was more important to play a few friendlies in Japan than take part.

The greedy bollox clubs have ruined cup football and I hate to see the likes of us copying their blueprint in the LDV/League Cup - whatever.

Footballers - what is the world coming to if you can't play football for 180 minutes a week, 9 months a year without considering cup games a "distraction" :rolleyes:? It's what you do ffs. Grow a pair! :thetruth:
 

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Yeah I know, I was more alluding to the fact that if the FA Cup was played midweek, it would be of no more interest attendance-wise than the JPT.
Please dont compare the jpt to the fa cup
 

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Hardly is anyway these days :shrug:. People used to love cup football when I started watching. Even the two legged First Round League cup ties would attract exactly the same (if not slightly better) crowds as league games in the 70s/80s.

This weird theory that players need their rest and it's asking too much of them to play football a couple of times a week for their fifty grand, soon put paid to that. Beating a team of Premier league "squad players" just hasn't got the same glamour to it as getting stuffed by the real team :sad:. Then Manchester United put the final nail in the coffin by deciding it was more important to play a few friendlies in Japan than take part.

The greedy bollox clubs have ruined cup football and I hate to see the likes of us copying their blueprint in the LDV/League Cup - whatever.

Footballers - what is the world coming to if you can't play football for 180 minutes a week, 9 months a year without considering cup games a "distraction" :rolleyes:? It's what you do ffs. Grow a pair! :thetruth:
Know what you mean but the fa cup is still the best
 

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Please dont compare the jpt to the fa cup
Ugh, all I'm saying is that there would be more interest in the JPT if it could be played at weekends! I know you could never have moments like Luton & Soton 05/Sunderland 06 in the JPT, not unless we came back to win the final 4-3.
 

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Certainly would be squire! I just find your opinion a little confusing as you voted Option 1 in the poll and your views would seem to be more consistent with Option 3. Perhaps I'm missing something :shrug:.

Must admit I'm very suprised by the poll so far with about 60% saying "play strongest team and go for it". I honestly thought I was the only one who gave a feck about the LDV :shrug:.
Au contraire I believe we should take the competition seriously and field a strong side yet we can achieve this by drawing on the strength of our squad therefore my views are most aligned towards your first option as I find the way in which the third option is expressed rather derogatory towards the competition- hope that clarifies for you;)
 

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Keep it it's funny. You'll miss it when we go up.

Maybe a European place for the winners would spice things up. You heard it here first. ;)

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I think we got the balance right this week: play a strong enough side to win it, but give some of your regular subs 90 minutes and give a bit of a rest to some of those playing all other games. £5 entrance fee was also a good idea - haven't checked other attendance figures, but am guessing ours was one of the best (and our best at that stage for a few years, I'm sure)

Was annoyed when Martin Allen made 11 (IIRC) changes for a game against MK and we lost 0-3; next year he gave warning he was doing the same, so I gave it a miss.
 

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Hardly is anyway these days :shrug:. People used to love cup football when I started watching. Even the two legged First Round League cup ties would attract exactly the same (if not slightly better) crowds as league games in the 70s/80s.

This weird theory that players need their rest and it's asking too much of them to play football a couple of times a week for their fifty grand, soon put paid to that. Beating a team of Premier league "squad players" just hasn't got the same glamour to it as getting stuffed by the real team :sad:. Then Manchester United put the final nail in the coffin by deciding it was more important to play a few friendlies in Japan than take part.

The greedy bollox clubs have ruined cup football and I hate to see the likes of us copying their blueprint in the LDV/League Cup - whatever.

Footballers - what is the world coming to if you can't play football for 180 minutes a week, 9 months a year without considering cup games a "distraction" :rolleyes:? It's what you do ffs. Grow a pair! :thetruth:
Brazil not Japan.
 

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I don't mind the JPT. As I'm sure has been mentioned before its a chance to give the fringe players and youngsters a run out in a competitive environment, potential day out at wembley and of course there is a little bit of extra money for the club to add to the budget. I'm not sure how much money we made from the final against Carlisle but I'm sure it would have come in handy
 

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I love it, cheap football, a chance to win something or get to Wembley. The southern finals we have won have given me some of my best Brentford days out and memories. It is also better than sitting indoors and an extra chance to see your mates.
 

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We have a squad and rotation that allows us to play more than 46 games a season. The JPT is never going to be a money-spinner unless you get to the last 8 but winning is a team habit and we should be looking to play and win as many games as possible; it is also our only realistic chance of a cup final and a day out at Wembley. If we had the squad that some on here believe (16 first-teamers and a few juniors, judging by some comments) and were struggling for survival, then it may be worth a swerve, but anyone who thinks it is not worth going for at our current status is just plain wrong.
 
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Au contraire I believe we should take the competition seriously and field a strong side yet we can achieve this by drawing on the strength of our squad therefore my views are most aligned towards your first option as I find the way in which the third option is expressed rather derogatory towards the competition- hope that clarifies for you;)
Yep I think I understand. We just see it differently which is fair enough :sorted:. Your view is that changing half the team is drawing on the strength of your squad, mine is that it reduces the game to little more than an experimental kick about and degrades the competition :shrug:.
 
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I love it, cheap football, a chance to win something or get to Wembley. The southern finals we have won have given me some of my best Brentford days out and memories. It is also better than sitting indoors and an extra chance to see your mates.
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Please dont compare the jpt to the fa cup
If we were due to play Crawley twice next week - once in the FA Cup and once in the JPT and a fairy said we were only allowed to win once, I'd choose the JPT. Easy decision. I'd have chosen the FA Cup a few years back, before it was downgraded to a "squad" competition, but now, given the choice of a day at Wembley or an afternoon's 'glory' against a "Sunderland 11" or some such like, I'll take Wembley everytime :yes:.
 

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Keep it it's funny. You'll miss it when we go up.

Maybe a European place for the winners would spice things up. You heard it here first. ;)

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I was about to post something similar myself. What if other european countries had similar competitions then the winners in each country would play in their JPT version of the Europa cup. Would fancy a trip to Evian, Heidelberg, Almeria or Venetia.
 
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I was about to post something similar myself. What if other european countries had similar competitions then the winners in each country would play in their JPT version of the Europa cup. Would fancy a trip to Evian, Heidelberg, Almeria or Venetia.
Or how about a direct route to the Champions League? Afterall, you don't actually have to be champions to play in it. You only have to finish half way up the First Division to qualify for what was once a proud competition called the "European Cup". I'm telling you - cup football has been raped up the wrong'un :yes:.
 

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I was about to post something similar myself. What if other european countries had similar competitions then the winners in each country would play in their JPT version of the Europa cup. Would fancy a trip to Evian, Heidelberg, Almeria or Venetia.
That would be superb yes indeed. Serie C & Scottish Premier teams could enter too!

:shrug:
 

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I hate it.:wave:

Apart from a day out at a half-full stadium while sitting with 15,000 day-trippers,it offers nothing.

Even if you win it,the rest of the football world won't even notice.

I would be happy if they binned it tomorrow.
So you wouldn't get excited about a trip to Wembley then?
 

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