Julian Jeanvier - Signs to June 2022 (+1yr option) - On loan to Kasımpaşa S.K. (1 Viewer)

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:imwith: Disgraceful display of big club syndrome, Fat boy Tomlin should have been carded three times in the first 15 minutes before he was, Friend should have got a second yellow but he wrongly carded the sub who to be fair didn’t object and then he failed to send off Forshaw for that straight leg challenge on Toums.
Just about the worst ever ref performance over 93 minutes and he was almost apologising when he did finally decide to book them !!!!!
Whenever he did give us a free kick - which wasn’t often, he allowed their wall to walk forward to around 7 yards away.

He was a disgrace.
 

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Think whole thing caused by people thinking Thomson did the injury and then seei g him for some reason walk round the prone guy without stepping on him.
The Wigan forum had people on there saying they were sat right by the incident and Thompson kicked the unconscious guy in the head as he lay on the ground. If he had in fact done that then I think there’d have been an FA charge by now. I know supporting a club makes most people partisan, but making up a story like that is pretty low IMHO.
 

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Whenever he did give us a free kick - which wasn’t often, he allowed their wall to walk forward to around 7 yards away.

He was a disgrace.
One reassuringly consistent theme on GPG has always been that if the ref goes unnoticed, nobody refers to him. But if he in any way is deemed to have not been great, boy do we know about it. You'd never realise that this country has tens of thousands of referees and the guys we see in the Championship have been deemed to be in the top 30 nationally after years and years of assessment. One always gets the impression that somebody trawled Hackney marshes last week looking for anyone with a free afternoon who was prepared to come down to GP! :)

(hard hat now on...)
 

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I thought the linesmen were flag happy. I’m not saying they was biased but they waved when both sides seem to have sprung the trap.
Jonathan Douglas was one of my favourite players in his time here, for fiery commitment.
 

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I thought the linesmen were flag happy. I’m not saying they was biased but they waved when both sides seem to have sprung the trap.
Jonathan Douglas was one of my favourite players in his time here, for fiery commitment.
The linesman should’ve had a white flag, it would’ve been far more appropriate.
Also the referee was totally inept and forgot to bring his spray can with him, which meant encroachment and far within the 10 yards of any free kick that was awarded.
 

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One reassuringly consistent theme on GPG has always been that if the ref goes unnoticed, nobody refers to him. But if he in any way is deemed to have not been great, boy do we know about it. You'd never realise that this country has tens of thousands of referees and the guys we see in the Championship have been deemed to be in the top 30 nationally after years and years of assessment. One always gets the impression that somebody trawled Hackney marshes last week looking for anyone with a free afternoon who was prepared to come down to GP! :)

(hard hat now on...)
We’ve had some of the highest rated refs come to GP when we were in League 1 and appear to forget where they are and determined to be the star of the show.
Atwell when he sent off Nathan Elder after a few minutes despite the centre back pleading on his behalf and then D’Urso who just ruined the game by being whistle happy and failing to allow the game to flow. He booked players for minor offences and ruined a football match as a spectacle for both teams and sets of supporters.
There have been others but no excuse for either of those two clowns or Moss who all seem to believe they are the star attraction when they are sent to ref League one fixtures occasionally.
 

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The linesman should’ve had a white flag, it would’ve been far more appropriate.
Also the referee was totally inept and forgot to bring his spray can with him, which meant encroachment and far within the 10 yards of any free kick that was awarded.
Do you folks have any concept of how difficult it is to run the line in pro football, keeping in line with the second last defender and being able to adjudge whether the attacker is marginally ahead of the defender at the precise moment the ball is struck, which, incidentally, can often be out of your sightline? And having made the judgement, then mentally process if the player is active all the while keeping up with the second last man and being ready to flag if an inactive offside player becomes active in the same phase of play? Give the guys and girls who assist the referees from the touchline a break!
 

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We’ve had some of the highest rated refs come to GP when we were in League 1 and appear to forget where they are and determined to be the star of the show.
Atwell when he sent off Nathan Elder after a few minutes despite the centre back pleading on his behalf and then D’Urso who just ruined the game by being whistle happy and failing to allow the game to flow. He booked players for minor offences and ruined a football match as a spectacle for both teams and sets of supporters.
There have been others but no excuse for either of those two clowns or Moss who all seem to believe they are the star attraction when they are sent to ref League one fixtures occasionally.
Well, I have been coming down to GP fairly frequently since 1974 and can count on the fingers of one hand the occasions I think a referee has been genuinely as bad as you seem to think. A certain playoff vs. Swansea springs to mind. And having lived in four other countries and watched football there (Spain, Sweden, Philippines, Hong Kong)...trust me, be careful what you wish for...

What people seem to gloss over is that there are games where referees have no choice but to become a central figure. He can't duck getting involved in marginal penalty decisions, dealing with violent conduct etc. And which ever side of the grey line he falls on those occasions, one group of supporters will feel aggrieved. If it's a nothing game when there are no big decisions everyone tends to go home happy, but when big decisions have to be made, people get upset and the tendency if your side gets the rough end of the decision is to deride the ref. And remember, he sees things from one angle in real time and has to make an instant decision.
 

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Do you folks have any concept of how difficult it is to run the line in pro football, keeping in line with the second last defender and being able to adjudge whether the attacker is marginally ahead of the defender at the precise moment the ball is struck, which, incidentally, can often be out of your sightline? And having made the judgement, then mentally process if the player is active all the while keeping up with the second last man and being ready to flag if an inactive offside player becomes active in the same phase of play? Give the guys and girls who assist the referees from the touchline a break!
Did you go to the Wigan game ? Please don’t base judgement on something you did not see. He was totally inept
 

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The Wigan forum had people on there saying they were sat right by the incident and Thompson kicked the unconscious guy in the head as he lay on the ground. If he had in fact done that then I think there’d have been an FA charge by now. I know supporting a club makes most people partisan, but making up a story like that is pretty low IMHO.
If you look at the vid in slow motion Thompson actually slightly trips over the outstretched leg of one of the Wigan staff assessing their player. This was quite near his head but it definitely wasn't touched by his boot. This was from a high up camera and I can understand why it may have looked like he kicked the player when seen from a much lower angle.
 

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Do you folks have any concept of how difficult it is to run the line in pro football, keeping in line with the second last defender and being able to adjudge whether the attacker is marginally ahead of the defender at the precise moment the ball is struck, which, incidentally, can often be out of your sightline? And having made the judgement, then mentally process if the player is active all the while keeping up with the second last man and being ready to flag if an inactive offside player becomes active in the same phase of play? Give the guys and girls who assist the referees from the touchline a break!
My biggest gripe is probably around their lack of "participation" in the game. Since linesmen (and women) were promoted to Assistant Referees their involvement actually seems to me to have diminished - and I'm not sure who they are assisting if anyone. I am also bemused by how often a lino takes the refs lead on which way a throw should be given. Make a decision man!! (or woman)

Luckily, for linos at GP on the paddock side, they are afforded some expert guidance from myself (and others near me)
 

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Even when the ref cards him on the replay as shown on Quest (it didn't show the actual incident) Jeanvier is just walking off acceptingly and not even looking back. Not a sign of innocence...

We'll just have to make do with the very talented £3m Pinnock instead...
 

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My biggest gripe is probably around their lack of "participation" in the game. Since linesmen (and women) were promoted to Assistant Referees their involvement actually seems to me to have diminished - and I'm not sure who they are assisting if anyone. I am also bemused by how often a lino takes the refs lead on which way a throw should be given. Make a decision man!! (or woman)

Luckily, for linos at GP on the paddock side, they are afforded some expert guidance from myself (and others near me)
From my experience, there are a lot of refs, particularly at the higher level, who like to make it clear that they are in charge, and tell their assistants to look at them and follow their lead (if any) before flagging. Nothing looks worse, or pisses refs off more, than conflicting signals from two officials, especially when players and crowd know that the lino is right but is being overruled. I don't know if refs still mark linos at league level, but the pecking order is pretty clear regardless. I did a lot of lining, and while many refs put a premium on teamwork, they definitely got more egotistical the higher up the pyramid you got.
 

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Even when the ref cards him on the replay as shown on Quest (it didn't show the actual incident) Jeanvier is just walking off acceptingly and not even looking back. Not a sign of innocence...
sorry, you're mis-reading that. fact of the matter is that the kid was down for 5+ minutes getting treatment, and during that time ref consulted with linesmen and then came over to JJ and was stood with him for a good 3 or 4 minutes. i'm pretty sure he'd have said "sorry fella, based on what i've been told and/or what i saw, gonna have to send you off once they stretcher the lad off". hence the "acceptance".
 

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Do you folks have any concept of how difficult it is to run the line in pro football, keeping in line with the second last defender and being able to adjudge whether the attacker is marginally ahead of the defender at the precise moment the ball is struck, which, incidentally, can often be out of your sightline? And having made the judgement, then mentally process if the player is active all the while keeping up with the second last man and being ready to flag if an inactive offside player becomes active in the same phase of play? Give the guys and girls who assist the referees from the touchline a break!
If you can’t stand the heat get out if the feckin kitchen!
Professional football isn’t a Sunday morning kick about in Gunnersbury park. Huge amounts of money could be lost due to dodgy decisions that could cost a club promotion or see them relegated. Obviously honest mistakes will be made but the standard of what we witness week after week leaves much to be desired.
They’re paid to do a job and same as everyone else if they aren’t up to it there’s an obvious outcome.
 

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Surprising he's not in the squad for the FA cup game given how little he's played recently... Injury?
 

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Wonder if hes asked for transfer. Lost his place and sees sorenson and racic more likely on bench ahead of him
 
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Wonder if hes asked for transfer. Lost his place and sees sorenson and racic more likely on bench ahead of him
Why does everyone automatically assume the worst? There are so many harmless potential reasons for his absence today. Is it surprising he is not in the squad - yes. Is it necessarily something bad? No.
 

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Why does everyone automatically assume the worst? There are so many harmless potential reasons for his absence today. Is it surprising he is not in the squad - yes. Is it necessarily something bad? No.
lol lol. Pot calling kettle
 

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Wonder if hes asked for transfer. Lost his place and sees sorenson and racic more likely on bench ahead of him
Was always going to be the conundrum if we reverted to a back 4 given EP was recruited to replace Barbet on the left side of a 3. I doubt Julian sees himself as a bench warmer.
 

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Was always going to be the conundrum if we reverted to a back 4 given EP was recruited to replace Barbet on the left side of a 3. I doubt Julian sees himself as a bench warmer.
He didn’t lose his place because of a dip in form. In fact he was playing consistently well. He then got a three match ban because of his red card so Pinnock filled in for him. Since then, Pinnock’s barely put a foot wrong. Jeanvier will get his chance again, no doubt and then the shirt is his to lose.
 

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He's not off...he lost his place due to a silly red card at Wigan and then the form of Pinnock has meant he's stayed in the team. Selling him would be completely illogical though, so there is no danger there.
 

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Why does everyone automatically assume the worst? There are so many harmless potential reasons for his absence today. Is it surprising he is not in the squad - yes. Is it necessarily something bad? No.
He got a stupid red card and lost his place in the team. I am sure he is aware of how the world works and he is one injury or red card away from getting his place back.

I would be amazed if he has asked for a transfer just because he has not played 2 games.
 

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Wonder if hes asked for transfer. Lost his place and sees sorenson and racic more likely on bench ahead of him
But they are not. He’s been on the bench and played ahead of both when Jansson got injured. He was in the team until his red card and Pinnock has done nothing to lose his place since
 

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JJ will be good at top level. You can’t drop Pinnock, with his performance. It’s all fine margins. Let’s hope it stays that way and leave it with TF.
 

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We've great strength in depth now but conversely the first 11 is pretty much picking itself. You could make a case for Kamo but to me the exception is JJ who wouldn't weaken the side if he was in it.
 

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Fetching white headband...has he suffered another head injury recently? He didn't feature against Stoke City recently in the FA Cup I noticed.
 

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What was he thinking today?! Talk about switching off at a crucial moment. Lucky we got away with it...
was excellent otherwise though I thought? Had a bit of a rush of blood for 10 mins after but in general looked like he'd been playing with Pinnock for years. Didn't really miss Pontus defensively..
 

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What was he thinking today?! Talk about switching off at a crucial moment. Lucky we got away with it...
Don't think Dalsgaard covered himself in glory in that move either. Grant came in on the blind side behind him. Aside from this though, I thought both Jeanvier and Dalsgaard were outstanding.
 

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