Julian Jeanvier - Signs to June 2022 (+1yr option) - On loan to Kasımpaşa S.K. (1 Viewer)

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I was present when he was red-carded. He’d had a very good game, and season up to that point. Seems to have been marginalised somehow. Pinnock playing at the top of his game has made it very easy to leave him out. I think it’s been a bit of a waste of his talent.
What do you suggest we do? Drop one of our 2 best centre backs? As you have said yourself it is difficult to find him a slot given the recent form of the 2 CBs and defence in general. Sometimes these things happen but every successful team is built on a strong squad, and we will need JJ to perform when he gets his chance again. Unfortunate but you play your best 11.
 

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A good player and you really need four equally good centre backs in the squad as such a specialised position.
 

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What do you suggest we do? Drop one of our 2 best centre backs? As you have said yourself it is difficult to find him a slot given the recent form of the 2 CBs and defence in general. Sometimes these things happen but every successful team is built on a strong squad, and we will need JJ to perform when he gets his chance again. Unfortunate but you play your best 11.
It's not a case of dropping our best players, but rotating them. As Jlove has said, the insane fixture scheduling will ensure that our best 11 can't play all of those games at their highest level. Some will almost certainly get injured. Imagine that 9 game run-in, then times it by 5 - that's what next season is going to be.

Not saying Jeanvier is the right person to be one of 4 first choice CBs, but we'll need more than 2, that's for sure!
 

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It's not a case of dropping our best players, but rotating them. As Jlove has said, the insane fixture scheduling will ensure that our best 11 can't play all of those games at their highest level. Some will almost certainly get injured. Imagine that 9 game run-in, then times it by 5 - that's what next season is going to be.

Not saying Jeanvier is the right person to be one of 4 first choice CBs, but we'll need more than 2, that's for sure!
I’d hope the post lockdown period will have shown us the importance of rotating the squad more in busy periods. We ended up dead on our feet at the vital moments and it was this rather than ‘bottling’ which left us wondering what could have been..
 

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I’d hope the post lockdown period will have shown us the importance of rotating the squad more in busy periods. We ended up dead on our feet at the vital moments and it was this rather than ‘bottling’ which left us wondering what could have been..
Yep. Can't blame Thomas, as while that winning run continued, it was a calculated gamble to keep playing the same basic 12/13 players. We all knew that if we didn't make the top two, we were likely to pay with fatigue at the end. The option was to start rotating after 3 or 4 games to preserve the best for the play-offs, but chucking away the chance of automatic promotion.

Planning for 46 games (& cup games which will almost certainly be fringe players) is a totally different matter.
 

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It's not a case of dropping our best players, but rotating them. As Jlove has said, the insane fixture scheduling will ensure that our best 11 can't play all of those games at their highest level. Some will almost certainly get injured. Imagine that 9 game run-in, then times it by 5 - that's what next season is going to be.

Not saying Jeanvier is the right person to be one of 4 first choice CBs, but we'll need more than 2, that's for sure!
I have no problem with a bit of rotation, and agree that we will need more than 2!
 

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Yep. Can't blame Thomas, as while that winning run continued, it was a calculated gamble to keep playing the same basic 12/13 players. We all knew that if we didn't make the top two, we were likely to pay with fatigue at the end. The option was to start rotating after 3 or 4 games to preserve the best for the play-offs, but chucking away the chance of automatic promotion.

Planning for 46 games (& cup games which will almost certainly be fringe players) is a totally different matter.
There's no reason with the quality we have in the squad why we couldn't have rotated a bit more and still been able to challenge for automatic promotion spots. I don't believe it was an either or. I can't believe we expected to play all those games with practically the same team and still be fresh at the crunch.. No-one's suggesting you completely change the team but you can rest players without too much of an impact. Was surprised we didn't use the likes of Dervisoglu, jeanvier, Fosu and Valencia more, even taking players off at 60 minutes. We generally struggle with 3 games in a week so it wasn't a surprise we ran out of steam in the end..
 
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There's no reason with the quality we have in the squad why we couldn't have rotated a bit more and still been able to challenge for automatic promotion spots. I don't believe it was an either or. I can't believe we expected to play all those games with practically the same team and still be fresh at the crunch.. No-one's suggesting you completely change the team but you can rest players without too much of an impact. Was surprised we didn't use the likes of Dervisoglu, jeanvier, Fosu and Valencia more, even taking players off at 60 minutes. We generally struggle with 3 games in a week so it wasn't a surprise we ran out of steam in the end..
I'm sure JJ was the only one not to feature after the restart?
 

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I can't believe we expected to play all those games with practically the same team and still be fresh at the crunch...
I can't believe that we expected to win all those games in a row, whether it was with an unchanged team or not.
 

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There's no reason with the quality we have in the squad why we couldn't have rotated a bit more and still been able to challenge for automatic promotion spots. I don't believe it was an either or. I can't believe we expected to play all those games with practically the same team and still be fresh at the crunch.. No-one's suggesting you completely change the team but you can rest players without too much of an impact. Was surprised we didn't use the likes of Dervisoglu, jeanvier, Fosu and Valencia more, even taking players off at 60 minutes. We generally struggle with 3 games in a week so it wasn't a surprise we ran out of steam in the end..
I think we used 19 players after the break, including Dervisoglu, Roeslev, Baptiste and Fosu.
 

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Not involved in friendly against Derby. I reckon he's having trials at other clubs
 

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... or is in quarantine. He was pictured with Said. :shrug:
 

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Can’t believe there’s been absolutely no mention of him. Is it a bad injury or has he had a falling out with TF?
 

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Suspect we won't see any more from him. We've bought another centre-back so.....2+2
 

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If I was him, I'd want to find more minutes elsewhere.

He could start in a lot of Championship teams, and other top leagues in Europe.
 

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I think we're slightly moving away from his style of CB, to one that prioritises defending more over being ball players. Pinnock, Jansson and Goode all lean into that category while still being able to play out. Frank spoke about liking defenders from the rough and ready lower leagues and I think that spoke to it a bit.
 

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I think we're slightly moving away from his style of CB, to one that prioritises defending more over being ball players. Pinnock, Jansson and Goode all lean into that category while still being able to play out. Frank spoke about liking defenders from the rough and ready lower leagues and I think that spoke to it a bit.
He's not really a ball player though is he? He's a no nonsense, tough tackling CB. I just think it hasn't quite worked out and he's probably not happy being 3rd choice so has been looking to move on.. We can't get them all 100% right..
 

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He's not really a ball player though is he? He's a no nonsense, tough tackling CB. I just think it hasn't quite worked out and he's probably not happy being 3rd choice so has been looking to move on.. We can't get them all 100% right..
I think the surprise signing of Pontus last year put him down the pecking order. A shame but no contest once Pontus signed. Very good back up though. Can understand why he might want to move on for games.
 

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He's more so than the other three, a smoother...defender than the others if that doesn't sound odd. I don't think he's done much wrong though no, but I think we all know he's not going to overtake either Pinnock or Jansson. A shame really but I think it's for the best for both sides to move on.
 

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I would guess a falling out. He’s a very good player. He was dangerous going forward, on occasion. A bit of rotation would not have done any harm, to keep others fresh and keep him in the squad scheme. We might regret losing him.
 

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Liked him. Thought he was decent.
Will be a shame to see him go.
 

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Starts for Kasimpasa today in the Turkish Super League at Kayserispor, and his temporary side are 1 down already after just two minutes.
 

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