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Not that simple, who gets ticket and bar revenue etc.?

Well on the basis that AFCW currently give K's no income from Bar and Food concessions even on K's match days then Chelsea might as well carry on shafting in their place.
 

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Well on the basis that AFCW currently give K's no income from Bar and Food concessions even on K's match days then Chelsea might as well carry on shafting in their place.

Everything I've read indicates that the Ks keep bar/food revenue on their match-days.
 

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Everything I've read indicates that the Ks keep bar/food revenue on their match-days.

I know the ex bar manager and that certainly wasn't the case originally.
 

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Why cant Chelsea keep the women at Staines ??

Then K's can groundshare with the Chelsea U21 s

Problem solved

Simple answer is that Chelsea will not allow K's to play there once they buy the ground. AFCW were aware of this when they agreed to sell the ground to CFC.
 

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Simple answer is that Chelsea will not allow K's to play there once they buy the ground. AFCW were aware of this when they agreed to sell the ground to CFC.
Afaik Chelsea aren't just buying the ground for their U-21's, they also intend for their Ladies team to play there.

And even with the Ladies having a Summer season, I doubt the pitch would withstand three teams playing on it, at least to the standard of playing surface Chelsea require for their precious U-21's.
 
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Overall an impressive document.

The bit on "The Future of Kingstonian" (page 9) is interesting.

If by interesting you mean hypocritical I agree. The only chance K's have is if Chelsea assist them to fund a new ground in the borough - that is probably pie in the sky though.
 

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If by interesting you mean hypocritical I agree. The only chance K's have is if Chelsea assist them to fund a new ground in the borough
AFCW are giving them more money than they (AFCW) are contractually obliged to.

And K's Board has publicly and specifically thanked them for the assistance they are giving them.

You may dislike AFCW, while I have no view either way (aside from the fact that they're a million times better than MK).

I'm just going by what's being said and done and the K's Board statement seems fair enough to me.
 

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I think a lot of people will be looking at what happens to Kingstonian. As AFCW say, the owners alone do not represent the soul of a football club hence the K's Board statement has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

AFCW's move back to Plough Lane will be soured if Kingstonian take a real dive after they go. Pointing to having paid more money than they needed to won't help (and you can be sure that some in Milton Keynes will be stirring the pot if they get the chance.)

Personally, I can't see why Chelsea can't offer Kingstonian a ground sharing deal.

Of course, as highlighted in the link posted earlier in this thread, sadly the rot set in when a previous Kingstonian owner sold the ground from under them. Can't blame AFCW for that.
 

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What about the poor greyhounds. Where will they be able to exercise after AFCW move to Plough Lane.
 

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What about the poor greyhounds. Where will they be able to exercise after AFCW move to Plough Lane.

AFCW only care about themselves.
 

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What about the poor greyhounds. Where will they be able to exercise after AFCW move to Plough Lane.
Considering it is the Greyhound Racing Association which is in bed with Galliard Homes, and are happy to see Plough Lane sold for redevelopment, I hardly think AFCW should be held responsible for the poor old pooches.

Maybe Good Old Victor Chandler, who made a fortune out of betting on the doggies, before selling Walthamstow Dog Track for redevelopment for a fat profit, might make a suitable donation to these people:
http://www.retiredgreyhounds.co.uk/

Aye, like **** he will...
 
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AFCW are giving them more money than they (AFCW) are contractually obliged to.

And K's Board has publicly and specifically thanked them for the assistance they are giving them.

You may dislike AFCW, while I have no view either way (aside from the fact that they're a million times better than MK).

I'm just going by what's being said and done and the K's Board statement seems fair enough to me.

The statement from K's board is awful and betrays the fans and the club and also lets afcw and Chelsea off the hook quite a bit.

The damage to the reputation and values of Afcw would be huge if they only met their contractual obligations to Kingstonian. Unfortunately their gesture is hollow and wont stop K's being completely homeless and potentially futureless - Wimbledon know this from their own experiences which makes it even more heartless. I understand that Afcw cannot be expected to "save" K's but they shouldn't pretend that they haven't played their part in the demise of K's either.

For the record I don't dislike afcw, I admire their achievements and they are a real inspiration for supporters up and down the country with regards to what supporters can overcome and achieve.
 

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The statement from K's board is awful and betrays the fans and the club and also lets afcw and Chelsea off the hook quite a bit.
I can see why K's fans dislike hearing what the Board has to say, but is that the same as the Board being incorrect/misleading in what their statement? (Unsure).

The damage to the reputation and values of Afcw would be huge if they only met their contractual obligations to Kingstonian.
True, but the K's Board is telling us that they are exceeding their obligations. Is the Board lying? (Unsure)

Unfortunately their gesture is hollow
Do you have some insight into that which you'd like to share?

Unfortunately their gesture... ... wont stop K's being completely homeless and potentially futureless- Wimbledon know this from their own experiences which makes it even more heartless.
I could be wrong, but I suspect that K's would have been homeless and/or bust (or even non-existent), had AFCW not come along when they did, since the Khoslas were never going to do anything to save the club from the mess it was in, and the Council weren't much better.

As I see it, AFCW bought K's time, which they unfortunately haven't been able to use to extricate themselves from the mess they've been in for some years now.

I understand that Afcw cannot be expected to "save" K's but they shouldn't pretend that they haven't played their part in the demise of K's either.
What exactly have AFCW done to "play their part in the demise of K's"?

They were going bust before AFCW were even involved, having been raped by the Khoslas.


For the record I don't dislike afcw, I admire their achievements and they are a real inspiration for supporters up and down the country with regards to what supporters can overcome and achieve.
I don't like or dislike AFCW or K's either.

It's just as someone who's very nerdishly interested in these things, I see it as being a case of a club which had been poorly run for some time before eventually being shafted by the Khoslas, such that they had nowhere else to go (literally) until AFCW came along and permitted them to stay on at the ground, thereby giving them time to sort themselves out.

AFCW didn't have to keep them on, and can hardly be blamed when the K's haven't been able to restore their club in the meantime (imo).
 

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"It's just as someone who's very nerdishly interested in these things, I see it as being a case of a club which had been poorly run for some time before eventually being shafted by the Khoslas, such that they had nowhere else to go (literally) until AFCW came along and permitted them to stay on at the ground, thereby giving them time to sort themselves out.
AFCW didn't have to keep them on, and can hardly be blamed when the K's haven't been able to restore their club in the meantime (imo)."


All I can say to Kingstonian is (wait for it....post of the year candidate????) beware Geeks bearing gifts (no, not a typo)!
 

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"It's just as someone who's very nerdishly interested in these things, I see it as being a case of a club which had been poorly run for some time before eventually being shafted by the Khoslas, such that they had nowhere else to go (literally) until AFCW came along and permitted them to stay on at the ground, thereby giving them time to sort themselves out.
AFCW didn't have to keep them on, and can hardly be blamed when the K's haven't been able to restore their club in the meantime (imo)."


All I can say to Kingstonian is (wait for it....post of the year candidate????) beware Geeks bearing gifts (no, not a typo)!

A big ball of tumbleweed just blew across my patio!
 

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Afc have just been given planning approval by Merton Council
 

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Unbelievable, how can you really say that?

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Speak to fans of Non League clubs they visited during their rise to the Football League and you will understand why.
 

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Afc fans thought they was God gift in there raise to the football league and nasty to many local non league sides
 

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Bit harsh on the Greyhound stadium.
Wimbledon was one of five dog tracks put up for sale by the Greyhound Racing Association in 2005, with Wimbledon being sold to a property developer, Galliard Homes.

I know that despite the name, the GRA was not the governing body of the sport, but being a leading industry player, it ultimately was they who screwed the dog owners and fans etc, not AFCW.

Besides, what about the Stock Car Racers?
"Until 2005, the stadium was also home for over 50 years to the now defunct Wimbledon Dons speedway team and was famous for hosting the International meeting every season"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimbledon_Stadium

"Bit harsh" on them by the doggie people, I'd say.
 

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Speak to fans of Non League clubs they visited during their rise to the Football League and you will understand why.

A lot of clubs were also grateful for the extra income/interest games against AFC generated.

Another thing to consider. If we'd gone belly up during the pre-Benham area and had to start again as AFC Brentford or whatever, working our way through the local leagues, can you imagine for a minute that we'd not turn up with 3,000 at the likes of Staines and Hampton and not give it large a little bit? And even if most of us were completely respectful to such clubs, it ony takes a few bad apples gobbing off to give a bad impression of the rest.

Not trying to be an AFC apologist as I don't feel either way about them TBH. I'be just heard this argument trotted out a few times and wanted to give it some perspective.
 

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http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/n..._as_AFC_Wimbledon_secure_move_back_to_Merton/

Womens football or a proper Local football team ??

I know which one I would choose to watch EVERY time
AFCW 'bought' K's 12 years in which to sort out their financial problems and put together the funds to buy back a lease on Kingsmeadow or find somewhere else to play.

For whatever reason, they have failed to do so.

In other words, if you took AFCW out of the equation, they would likely have gone bust in 2002/03.

Womens football or a proper Local football team ??

I know which one I would choose to watch EVERY time
Taking the Women out of it, isn't part of K's problem that not enough locals were turning out to watch their own "proper football team"?
 

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Still not good for K's.

I know its not all AFC's fault but they should remember where they have come from and what could happen to another local side. They talk about going back to their "home".......... Well regardless, this move will force the K's out of their "home".

Wasnt nice to see when MK up sticks and moved, and its not nice to now see AFC moving seeing as they are linked into the K's.

If Chelsea had any sense/love for football they would offer a deal to the K's.
 

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Was told on Sat a council meeting on Tues will discuss a new development in Chessington and offer Ks a new home, a few GPGers live out that way might update us if true.
 

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Was told on Sat a council meeting on Tues will discuss a new development in Chessington and offer Ks a new home, a few GPGers live out that way might update us if true.

This means I can't walk from work to the ground (via four pubs) :(
 

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2-0 Derby win at Staines on Saturday moved K's level on points with Tonbridge Angels and Dulwich Hamlet at the top of the Ryman League Premier Division.
Amazing division this season, with over half of the teams in with a realistic shout of at least a play off place.
 

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How interesting and well written was that. Take a look folks.
Yes, especially these bits:

Some of these concerns were allayed at a supporters’ open meeting in October, although new concerns arose from the menstrual cycle of a gap between press revelations and said briefing. One important clarification was that Ks would receive two payments from Wimbledon. The first was compensation for Wimbledon activating the break clause in the 25-year agreement over the terms under which Ks play at Kingsmeadow. This, the board reported, would help pay “most of the (club’s) outstanding debts” (Ks are, at this season’s halfway point, genuine title contenders, and such a team isn’t paid for by crowds averaging under 300). And the board would write off “any outstanding directors’ loan balances” not covered by the compensation, for which perhaps more credit is due to whoever negotiated that than has currently been given. The second was a straightforward donation by Wimbledon, described as “many multiples” of the compensation. More than one source has quoted £1.5m as the total figure, with the donated portion ring-fenced for future ground arrangements.

and

Ks future is uncertain. But it has been uncertain since administration and Wimbledon have done little to exacerbate Ks’ problems. I’m one of the “some” that, Ian wrote, “argue that Kingstonian have only been able to continue for as long as they have as a result of (Wimbledon’s) munificence.” Perhaps my detachment from the situation has bred some of this optimism. Indeed, I accept that I may be alone again in my views. But I believe Wimbledon have given Ks the opportunity of a future by the way in which they have framed the Kingsmeadow sale. And Ks, fans and directors alike, should grab it.
 
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