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Disagree. The reasoning has been done to death, but the end result has only recently been unveiled. And it was like a scary moment in a horror film. It's a mistake alright. lol
See Freiburg above - it is no mistake. I do agree with part of your sentiment though - would have been better with red, white and black as I don't know many people who wear yellow to home games....

Let's see once it's got fans in and if you still think it is shocking then that's your opinion :)
 

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The seats are still crap.

When there are people in you’ll hardly notice it. That’s the only consolation.

But whilst we are playing BCD it is really really bad.
 

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I hesitate to post this as I dont really want to prolong the seat debate...it is what is is, but...

If a stadium is less full it is the corners and low in the stand that is empty. It surely would have been possible to have solid red / white in the middle and higher (maybe BEES spelt out) slowly tapering into a speckled effect in the corners and lower down where there would be a higher liklihood of empty seats.
 

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I hesitate to post this as I dont really want to prolong the seat debate...it is what is is, but...

If a stadium is less full it is the corners and low in the stand that is empty. It surely would have been possible to have solid red / white in the middle and higher (maybe BEES spelt out) slowly tapering into a speckled effect in the corners and lower down where there would be a higher liklihood of empty seats.
This was raised at one of the "engagement" meetings. As a consequence more of the "highly likely to be occupied" seats were converted to red/black (or so we were told)
 

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This was raised at one of the "engagement" meetings. As a consequence more of the "highly likely to be occupied" seats were converted to red/black (or so we were told)
Well that covered the dug outs then.....
 

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I hope the club is getting a decent percentage of that £6
 

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Should be included with season ticket as we can't be there. Especially if they're not going to offer refunds!!!
 

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Is this old news? I knew we went down from 20k to 17,250 but that is short of the 27% area reduction stated here. Hmm 🤔

"The Arup participants worked together with LRD to reduce the area of the original building by circa 27%, improving the financial model"

 

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Yep indeed, where was the rest of it shaved off then or did the area needed for the seats equal 27%?
South stand was 3 tiers, iirc.

There are plans of LR around showing the differences between the two stadiums somewhere.
 

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Who actually OWNS the new stadium please?
You may remember that Matthew Benham bought the land on the same day that he bought the club. In fact the transaction to buy the club was brought forward in order that MB could spend £7m on the land that the stadium sits on today.
 

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You may remember that Matthew Benham bought the land on the same day that he bought the club. In fact the transaction to buy the club was brought forward in order that MB could spend £7m on the land that the stadium sits on today.
So do we (Brentford/MB) own the land for the whole wider development too and will that get transferred to the developer with us retaining just the plot that the stadium sits on?
 

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So do we (Brentford/MB) own the land for the whole wider development too and will that get transferred to the developer with us retaining just the plot that the stadium sits on?
IIRC correctly that land was reported as sold to the developer in the last accounts.
 

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IIRC correctly that land was reported as sold to the developer in the last accounts.
If you read the post-accounting period notes in the accounts prior and the last accounts, then it is all explained as a 2018 transaction. Simply, BFC owns the new stadium, Ecoworld owns everything else.
 

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If you read the post-accounting period notes in the accounts prior and the last accounts, then it is all explained as a 2018 transaction. Simply, BFC owns the new stadium, Ecoworld owns everything else.
Sorry it's Monday morning and my brain is a little fried already but does that mean the parcel of land the stadium occupies too?
 

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I’m sure the land is owned by the LBH. As they had to use the CPO system to acquire small pieces of land that had no owner or the owner wasn’t known. Brentford have then leased it back for 1000 years probably paying a “peppercorn” rent. The stadium is owned by the Football Club under a subsidiary company.

That’s my understanding of it all.
 

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I’m sure the land is owned by the LBH. As they had to use the CPO system to acquire small pieces of land that had no owner or the owner wasn’t known. Brentford have then leased it back for 1000 years probably paying a “peppercorn” rent. The stadium is owned by the Football Club under a subsidiary company.

That’s my understanding of it all.
If that's the case you mean the Freehold is owned by LBH but we have a very long lease on it.

But we sold some land to Ecoworld, we didn't see a least.

Whether it is freehold or a 999 year lease, it makes as good as no difference: the club owns the stadium
 

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If that's the case you mean the Freehold is owned by LBH but we have a very long lease on it.

But we sold some land to Ecoworld, we didn't see a least.

Whether it is freehold or a 999 year lease, it makes as good as no difference: the club owns the stadium
Wasn't the land ecoworld purchased the land the flats are being built on currently? Plus the Duffy & capital interchange way sites?

As you’ve said, I remember CPO’s being enforced on small parcels of land due to unknown ownership. Then all the land to be held by LBH.

And yes, the stadium is owned by Brentford FC and if/when MB decides to sell up, the stadium is part of any sale.

With BU still holding that golden share too?!
 

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Wasn't the land ecoworld purchased the land the flats are being built on currently? Plus the Duffy & capital interchange way sites?

As you’ve said, I remember CPO’s being enforced on small parcels of land due to unknown ownership. Then all the land to be held by LBH.

And yes, the stadium is owned by Brentford FC and if/when MB decides to sell up, the stadium is part of any sale.

With BU still holding that golden share too?!
The CPO was for the whole site, including the parts BFC already owned, as that is the only way to ensure all the pockets were swepped up.
 

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The reference to Balance Sheet in the accounts has only, regarding the Development Agreement (that which had all the transfers of ownership conditional on the stadium handover), used the wording "assets"; "... transfer of various pieces of land..."; and "... a newly constructed stadium...". There is no explicit reference to freehold or leasehold but it includes Griffin Park, which must be freehold.
 

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Here you go

LBH own the Freehold
LRDL (a BFC subsidiary) own the Headlease (i.e. the entire plot)
BFC own the Leasehold that the stadium sits on; Ecoworld own the Leasehold of the other bits of land

Haven't read them, so just headlines.
 

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You got your answer. Brentford FC via a subsidiary company owned by Brentford FC. Which in turn is owned by Matthew Benham.
 

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At a quick glance there appears to be covenants put in place by the local council preventing the stadium from being sold, or being used for anything else at least. @Owlsmoor_Bee @jlove - have you had time to read the land registry documents at all (posted above)?
 

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Not as yet but it’s on my list.
 

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Morning I might be wrong but talking to a Fulham mate yesterday I told him the new stadium did not cost us anything if I'm right could someone explain how it all worked out that way .
 

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Morning I might be wrong but talking to a Fulham mate yesterday I told him the new stadium did not cost us anything if I'm right could someone explain how it all worked out that way .
I did some work on this a while ago. It's still a work in progress however.
 

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Morning I might be wrong but talking to a Fulham mate yesterday I told him the new stadium did not cost us anything if I'm right could someone explain how it all worked out that way .
It was something along these lines. The club acquires the land to build the flats and stadium. They obtain full planning permission for the stadium and circa 900 homes - since increased I believe. The developer delivers a stadium for us. We transfer the ownership of the land for the flats to them along with Griffin Park with planning permission for housing. No idea if the stadium ended up being fully funded by GP and the enabling work and the value gained from achieving planning permissions but that was pretty much the original idea that Bees United were promoting. Oh and Barrett Developments were involved initially acquiring the land and selling us an option to acquire most of the land from them but the financial crisis of 2009 made them drop out. It think we bought out the option early iirc. I'm sure others will correct me and provide more info.
 

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It was something along these lines. The club acquires the land to build the flats and stadium. They obtain full planning permission for the stadium and circa 900 homes - since increased I believe. The developer delivers a stadium for us. We transfer the ownership of the land for the flats to them along with Griffin Park with planning permission for housing. No idea if the stadium ended up being fully funded by GP and the enabling work and the value gained from achieving planning permissions but that was pretty much the original idea that Bees United were promoting. Oh and Barrett Developments were involved initially acquiring the land and selling us an option to acquire most of the land from them but the financial crisis of 2009 made them drop out. It think we bought out the option early iirc. I'm sure others will correct me and provide more info.
Bit confused. Never been there obviously, but from what I've seen, Susan has been shoehorned in to a very tight space. So where is the land for the flats/900 homes? Is that all on the Griffin Park site?
 

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Bit confused. Never been there obviously, but from what I've seen, Susan has been shoehorned in to a very tight space. So where is the land for the flats/900 homes? Is that all on the Griffin Park site?
Have you actually looked at the new stadium and the large number of apartments being built adjacent to them? Or are you on a strange wind-up?
 

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Bit confused. Never been there obviously, but from what I've seen, Susan has been shoehorned in to a very tight space. So where is the land for the flats/900 homes? Is that all on the Griffin Park site?
The new flats pretty well surround the new stadium.
 

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Have you actually looked at the new stadium and the large number of apartments being built adjacent to them? Or are you on a strange wind-up?
Not a wind up at all, but I'm completely out of touch with the skyline of the area these days. I traveled along the Great West Road in May 2019 for the first time in seven years and barely recognised the place. I've seen all the new buildings of course, but had no idea what was what. Things change far more quickly when you're away than people who aren't away realise. So looking at this picture, are both these buildings (the tall one to the right and the lower one to the left) flats? And so I can get my bearings, where are they? Are they on the Great West Road?
 

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