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The CEO of LIRFC was on Sky just now.

Apparently Irish need crowds of around 3.5k at the BCS just to cover the costs of staging a game; approx 70% of their revenue comes from match days; he estimates Premier Rugby clubs are currently losing c.£1m per month each.
 
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We must have done a good deal then!

Think their fans will see a match in LR before us however...
 

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We must have done a good deal then!

Think their fans will see a match in LR before us however...
Nope it's now the day after Blackburn
 

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Ah! What happened there I wonder?
I assume the Friday was a placeholder in case BT chose the match. Quite often fixtures are for the weekend begining
 

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We must have done a good deal then!
I was thinking about that. Admission for 3.5k would possibly bring in £50k(?), by the time you count kids/family/OAP's/STH's etc.

Let's assume each one then spends (a high) £15 average on food/drink/programmes/club shop - another £50k.

How many stewards/cleaners/caterers/bar/safety staff and others would they need to employ at (a low) average £10 per hour for a 6-8 hour shift, plus other expenses like Insurance, utilities, floodlights etc, and the wholesale cost to them of the food and drink?

That could take a big chunk out of the £100k matchday revenue generated before they then have to pay the Landlord.

Alternatively, I may be waaaaaaay off the mark with my speculation. :doh:
 

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I imagine premium/corporate pays a fair chunk? Also I think its more expensive generally? A work colleague is an Exeter STH and he pays £60 a game.
 

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Do we know what their ST sales have been like. A mate of mine has brought 2 STs.
 

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Do we know what their ST sales have been like. A mate of mine has brought 2 STs.
Soon after they first went on sale, they said that corporate and season ticket revenue had exceeded £1M, which was more than the previous season.
 

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Soon after they first went on sale, they said that corporate and season ticket revenue had exceeded £1M, which was more than the previous season.
Cheers mate

So is my understanding correct that they pay us "rent" and they keep the match day revenue?
 

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Cheers mate

So is my understanding correct that they pay us "rent" and they keep the match day revenue?
BFC continually refer to LI having a licence to play at the stadium, so the inference is that there is something like an annual payment with additional 'per game'... but I really don't have a clue. When Mark Devlin was talking about it, the intention was for BFC to control everything and licence each component, like catering, parking, etc., but I believe that may have changed. Reg Varney seems to be more commercially aware, so I doubt it was diluted.
 

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Do we know what their ST sales have been like. A mate of mine has brought 2 STs.
On their forum it is mentioned that all STs that have not requested a refund can be accomodated. This was posted after the tiers were announced so assume they are talking 2000.
 

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I walked down Lionel Road this afternoon and caught a glimpse of the pitch. L.I. appeared to be training on it. Nothing terribly vigorous but I’d have thought they would have somewhere else to train.
 

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I walked down Lionel Road this afternoon and caught a glimpse of the pitch. L.I. appeared to be training on it. Nothing terribly vigorous but I’d have thought they would have somewhere else to train.
They have every right to train on the pitch, as it is their home ground too, they’ll be playing on, on Sunday.
 

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I wasn’t questioning their right to do so or suggesting they had broken in to do a bit on the quiet. I just assumed they would have a separate training ground, like we do. Presumably we train only at Jersey Road. Training at Lionel Road can’t do the pitch a lot of good, can it?
 

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I wasn’t questioning their right to do so or suggesting they had broken in to do a bit on the quiet. I just assumed they would have a separate training ground, like we do. Presumably we train only at Jersey Road. Training at Lionel Road can’t do the pitch a lot of good, can it?
Brentford train on the pitch too. Especially before we kicked off this season there.
 

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I walked down Lionel Road this afternoon and caught a glimpse of the pitch. L.I. appeared to be training on it. Nothing terribly vigorous but I’d have thought they would have somewhere else to train.
More of a (another) familiarisation session in their new home I imagine. Especially if the rugby posts were up and the pitched marked out following our game last night.
 

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I wasn’t questioning their right to do so or suggesting they had broken in to do a bit on the quiet. I just assumed they would have a separate training ground, like we do. Presumably we train only at Jersey Road. Training at Lionel Road can’t do the pitch a lot of good, can it?
They have the training ground in Sunbury but presumably doesn't have a Deso pitch.
 

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I walked down Lionel Road this afternoon and caught a glimpse of the pitch. L.I. appeared to be training on it. Nothing terribly vigorous but I’d have thought they would have somewhere else to train.
Have they still got their original ground in Sunbury?

I thought they still used that.
 

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Have they still got their original ground in Sunbury?

I thought they still used that.
They will want to acclimatise with the pitch and ground, its hardly home advantage if you have never played on the pitch before your first match. I've been wondering what effect the low intersections between the South and East/ West stands have on high balls on a windy day, it could be more significant for Rugby. No doubt the majority of their training will take place in Sunbury. The time to worry is when anyone spots them dragging a scrummaging machine out on the pitch.
 

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It would be good to see them do well at L.R. Although the only time I watch rugby is for internationals, I have every intention of watching L.I. a few times at L.R.
 

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Can they play in comfy slippers?
 

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BT Sport 2 today at 4.30 if you want to see them decimate our pitch.
 

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It would be good to see them do well at L.R. Although the only time I watch rugby is for internationals, I have every intention of watching L.I. a few times at L.R.
Same, no real interest in Rugby but will attend at least one L.I game when full crowds are permitted mainly just to sit in a different part of the ground then my bees ST.
 

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Have they still got their original ground in Sunbury?

I thought they still used that.
They still train in sunbury but not at their original ground they sold it. They have new facilities at Hazelwood sunbury where London Irish wild geese play. As someone said earlier it's down to familiarisation.
 

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BFC continually refer to LI having a licence to play at the stadium, so the inference is that there is something like an annual payment with additional 'per game'... but I really don't have a clue. When Mark Devlin was talking about it, the intention was for BFC to control everything and licence each component, like catering, parking, etc., but I believe that may have changed. Reg Varney seems to be more commercially aware, so I doubt it was diluted.
It might be that it saves us a lot of money if we don’t provide all the other services under licence and just give them the right to use the facilities using their own people.
 

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It might be that it saves us a lot of money if we don’t provide all the other services under licence and just give them the right to use the facilities using their own people.
Accountants love contracting out things as they don’t have to, ahem, account for them.
 

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Let’s see how this LI match goes at LR!

How will the pitch hold up?!

Weird watching someone else play at your own ground!! 😂
 

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The trolls are around on Twitter and Facebook. No doubt they’ll be on here again too.
 

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OMG! If it looks like this after 50 mins, I dread to think what it will be like after 4 or 5 games!!!! Our groundsmen will have their work cut out.
 

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They have every right to train on the pitch, as it is their home ground too, they’ll be playing on, on Sunday.
It’s not their ‘home ground’ at all. It never will be. They are just paying us rent to play at our home for the time being.

It‘s no more their home than a room at a hotel is my ‘home’ when my work dump me somewhere for six months or so. I’m amazed that any genuine Brentford ‘fan’ would ever think otherwise.
 

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It’s not their ‘home ground’ at all. It never will be. They are just paying us rent to play at our home for the time being.

It‘s no more their home than a room at a hotel is my ‘home’ when my work dump me somewhere for six months or so. I’m amazed that any genuine Brentford ‘fan’ would ever think otherwise.
I'd like to consider myself a genuine Brentford fan and yes, I see this as London Irish's home ground. I expect it to be a long term arrangement where they stage all their home matches at our stadium.

As for your analogy, well is my own home/house really mine if I have a mortgage and am paying that back to a bank?

Yes, I know it will be mine one day, but that could take 20+ years. LI managed around 20 years at Reading before leaving for their new home.
 

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I'd like to consider myself a genuine Brentford fan and yes, I see this as London Irish's home ground. I expect it to be a long term arrangement where they stage all their home matches at our stadium.

As for your analogy, well is my own home/house really mine if I have a mortgage and am paying that back to a bank?

Yes, I know it will be mine one day, but that could take 20+ years. LI managed around 20 years at Reading before leaving for their new home.
They are our tenants. I hope we have a substantial security deposit covering damage to the pitch as well as unpaid rent.................
 

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I have real concerns about what It is doing to the pitch, and that is after one half of one game.
Perhaps that’s why we’ve already started going more direct this season.
 

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Modern day pitches are basically 50% plastics these days. Technology has come hell of a way. Catch up oldies. I was lucky enough to play in Germany on a Desso Grass ptich. When on tour with my youth club, technology come a long way.
 

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It’s not their ‘home ground’ at all. It never will be. They are just paying us rent to play at our home for the time being.

It‘s no more their home than a room at a hotel is my ‘home’ when my work dump me somewhere for six months or so. I’m amazed that any genuine Brentford ‘fan’ would ever think otherwise.
What a ridiculous comparison.

If you rent a house, is this your "home" or not? If you live there for a number of years, you'd call it home, right? When you fill in a form, what would you put down for your "home address", Nothing?! Ridiculous argument. Get used to it. London Irish are here for several years, at least.

If that means the pitch gets replaced every year, so be it.
 

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