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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for Letmore than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
Let’s not bother then. Might as well write this season off and just give up. World’s gone to pot anyway. Hardly worth getting out of bed in the morning!
 

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Wow top 2 was gone weeks ago in my mind and yes lets see what the club do in the summer if we don't go up. They'll find a diplomatic way of saying if we should lower our expectations. Whilst challenging around top 3 might be tough there is no reason why this set up can't have us competing for 5th or 6th and seeing what happens.

However it is Easter weekend and we need to stay positive with our football as for me anyhow it's an escape from the stresses of life.

I remember an out pouring of emotion when we beat Wigan a few years ago to clinch a play off spot. Achieving a play off spot is still a remarkable achievement for a club our size. As I mentioned in another thread before we start worrying about next season we have 12 or 13 players and certainly a first 11 to give these play off's one hell of a shot and I fancy us to win them if we can go into them at full strength.

As for younger supporters, I guess success breeds expectation and when you're not used to anything else it's hard to change your expectations. I remember growing up at a time the Republic of Ireland were having their golden generation, appearances at European championships, World Cups, Big Jack being a national hero. I didn't know what happened prior to that era and it took me a while to accept that in fact they were abnormal times and our golden generation. I wasn't used to bad days, the same way younger Bees aren't used to the days many experienced in the 70's and 80's. I got used to the fact Ireland won't qualify for many tournaments, lets all hope younger Bees don't have to get used to not competing at the level we currently are.
 
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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
Give it a rest. Mods, delete this thread.
 
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Let’s not bother then. Might as well write this season off and just give up. World’s gone to pot anyway. Hardly worth getting out of bed in the morning!
Better for my mental health than raise hopes to be dissapointed.
 

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Good thread. Just what I wanted to read. I agree mind you we have been fortunate to be in the top 10 in each of the season since we came up but don't expect us to be challenging for the Premiership title or Europe yet next season. But a good comfortable finish in the top 15 of the Premier league would be good.
 

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We’re 3rd 😳. It’s in our hands to put ourselves 3 points behind second. Big ask, yes but hardly impossible. And if not we go in the play offs. Nothing to say we won’t win them. I agree performances could of been better but let’s not lower expectations for next season, unless we are in the Prem, then some people’s might need lowering again 😂😂
 

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I can’t wait until we’re flitting between League 1 and League 2 again.

Teams like Brentford shouldn’t get ideas above their station.
 

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An away draw to take us third and this is what we get 🤣

I get that next year could be a bit of a rebuild if we don’t go up but really is there a need for a thread at this stage??
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
Cheer up mate. We are currently THIRD in the Championship with 8 games to go. And 3rd favourites according to most bookies for promotion.

Please don't write us off yet!
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
I don’t advocate gambling but if you are as sure as you are suggesting in your post, I would secure as much capital as you possibly can; mortgage, car, savings, pension, cash etc and stick the lot on Brentford not going up. You’ll find a bookie that will take that bet.
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
Before this gets shut, I think the club always targets top 6. Last season we had some good fortune in Ollie quickly becoming a very good centre forward, Pontus becoming available, and Bryan having a tremendous first season. We could probably add coronavirus to that in that it gave us a long midseason break to revive players better than other clubs with less structure and science. We still started poorly and even at the restart were well off top 2. Similarly this season, we replaced Ollie but aside from about a week haven’t been in the auto spots. Riemer and Frank have both spoken about how good our overall performance has been to be challenging.

If we don’t go up we will lose Toney and probably a few more, having a rebuild like in 15-16 but with a much more stable set up (imo losing Frank would be the worst loss in this scenario) and remaining squad that buys into the whole project. I can see us buying 4-5 of the hottest prospects in the EFL and some unknowns. We’ll have a shaky start again as they gel but unless they’re all duds we’ll find ourselves in the hunt for top 6 again this time next year.

But, as fans? Yes, if we fail again to be promoted, all the changes will make our 21-22 expectations thread in July be filled with people saying 10th at best.
 

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Whilst the spectre of the playoffs seems most likely there is no certainty on the winner. I have read one fairly prolific recent poster saying that Muff would be favourites as they have the best squad, whilst just a couple of games ago Barnsley would win cos of their energetic style of football. Get real any of the eventual playoff teams can win ( including us)

according the the starter of this thread not only won’t we win the playoffs but in fact next season will be bumbling along mid table, nothing like a bit of positivity!!!!😖😖

wherever we are next season our ambition will be to have a successful season ( as we have ever since we got into the Championship ) there will be different issues that need facing but we may find the war chest from likely player sales will result in a new set of players without the X factor but are actually a more cohesive unit.

let’s not write off next season just yet!!!!!!😖😖😖
 

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Whilst the spectre of the playoffs seems most likely there is no certainty on the winner. I have read one fairly prolific recent poster saying that Muff would be favourites as they have the best squad, whilst just a couple of games ago Barnsley would win cos of their energetic style of football. Get real any of the eventual playoff teams can win ( including us)

according the the starter of this thread not only won’t we win the playoffs but in fact next season will be bumbling along mid table, nothing like a bit of positivity!!!!😖😖

wherever we are next season our ambition will be to have a successful season ( as we have ever since we got into the Championship ) there will be different issues that need facing but we may find the war chest from likely player sales will result in a new set of players without the X factor but are actually a more cohesive unit.

let’s not write off next season just yet!!!!!!😖😖😖
So you, and others, are saying it is better for young supporters to except to go up and throw the toys out of the pram if we don't?
Based on previous posts on post match threads you normally agree with me that it's better to keep expectations low so we are not disappointed, so I am not sure why you have jumped on the bandwagon to attack the thread starter.
 

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So you, and others, are saying it is better for young supporters to except to go up and throw the toys out of the pram if we don't?
Based on previous posts on post match threads you normally agree with me that it's better to keep expectations low so we are not disappointed, so I am not sure why you have jumped on the bandwagon to attack the thread starter.
I think it's an opinion.
 
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But others maybe don't appreciate it.
If you do not want unnecessary noise from the Facebook and Twitter brigade, perhaps it should be appreciated then?

I so hope we go up but I think it's good to imagine the 'worst case scenario' (which relative do divisional and financial struggles of past is nothing anyway).
 

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If I am honest, at the start of this season, I wasn't expecting us to be top 3 going into the last few games. This club has consistently exceeded my expectations since 2014. I think next season is going to be tough for many clubs in the Championship. If we are still in it, I think we will be very competitive. Our strength is in our blend of talents, not individual superstars.
 

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Jesus f***ing Christ, what am I reading here?

So not only have you given up on this season, you've given up on next season as well?

We are third in the Championship in April and all I have read today is defeatist, negative, woe is me garbage.

Honestly, I'm embarrassed by some of the absolute rubbish I have had to read on this forum today.
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
Regrettably I concur. On their day this side is the best in the league, but for some unknown reason when the chips are down Brentford let you down. Seems almost impossible that they have managed to blow it again this season. A bit of a chance in play offs I suppose, but history is not on our side in that department. I very much fear our chance of premier league football has gone at least for foreseeable future
 

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Some folk are glass half full, others see the same glass as half empty. Always has been so and always will be, tis human nature.
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
I'm much more positive about this seasons chances. Rico and Josh were a huge part of 21 unbeaten and they should be back by playoff time. Watford has a difficult run in so 2nd is not out of question. This team still has a great shot at going up. I think it happens and Benrahma ends up back at Brentford next season.
 

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Shall I start a thread about how we're going to do badly in 2022-23, just because we drew today... Each set of dropped points doesn't require a new similar thread about doom and gloom. We have no automatic right to gain top two, especially with Henry and DaSilva out.

There is no point to this thread, just say in the 'Expectations for this season' thread that you're concerned about how we'll do next season. It would fit into that thread fine, although I suspect this is more an emotional post than a logical one, and another reason I take a step back often after a disappointing result.
 

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Will be a rebuild next season. JDS, Henry and Toney definitely off with maybe Pinnock too. I assume we won’t be extending Marcondes or Dalsgaard’s contract either. This season is the last proper chance otherwise it’ll be mid table next year.
 
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So what ????
Just support your club.
And if being third in the second division at Easter isn’t good enough for anyone then may I suggest they just b#gger off from whence they came and support a club that suits their expectations.
There’s plenty of ‘soulless-don’t-give-a-fck-about-there-supporters’ type clubs around that win stuff that will suit them down to the ground.
I can offer suggests and directions if required.
:):):)
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
Farkin Ell.

But surely next season will be the weakest championship ever?
 
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But surely next season will be the weakest championship ever?
Nah every year we dont go up its the weakest Championship ever, with the strongest ever to follow. Then when we dont look like going up its revised to the weakest Championship ever to be followed by the stongest ever again. Which when we dont look like going up will be the weak......
 

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But surely next season will be the weakest championship ever?
Yeah, Newcastle, WBA, Sheff U, Hull, peterborough and Lincoln- fill your boots.
 
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So what ????
Just support your club.
And if being third in the second division at Easter isn’t good enough for anyone then may I suggest they just b#gger off from whence they came and support a club that suits their expectations.
There’s plenty of
So what ????
Just support your club.
And if being third in the second division at Easter isn’t good enough for anyone then may I suggest they just b#gger off from whence they came and support a club that suits their expectations.
There’s plenty of ‘soulless-don’t-give-a-fck-about-there-supporters’ type clubs around that win stuff that will suit them down to the ground.
I can offer suggests and directions if required.
:):):)
Exactly, which means you, the pipe and everyone else on the bandwagon agree with my thread start hat it is better to keep expectations low and be pleasantly surprised than expect and feel entitled to go up.
 

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Before this gets shut, I think the club always targets top 6. Last season we had some good fortune in Ollie quickly becoming a very good centre forward, Pontus becoming available, and Bryan having a tremendous first season. We could probably add coronavirus to that in that it gave us a long midseason break to revive players better than other clubs with less structure and science. We still started poorly and even at the restart were well off top 2. Similarly this season, we replaced Ollie but aside from about a week haven’t been in the auto spots. Riemer and Frank have both spoken about how good our overall performance has been to be challenging.

If we don’t go up we will lose Toney and probably a few more, having a rebuild like in 15-16 but with a much more stable set up (imo losing Frank would be the worst loss in this scenario) and remaining squad that buys into the whole project. I can see us buying 4-5 of the hottest prospects in the EFL and some unknowns. We’ll have a shaky start again as they gel but unless they’re all duds we’ll find ourselves in the hunt for top 6 again this time next year.

But, as fans? Yes, if we fail again to be promoted, all the changes will make our 21-22 expectations thread in July be filled with people saying 10th at best.
IF we don’t go up, I agree losing frank would be the worst loss. That would make the re build tough. Maybe I’m being optimistic but would Toney give us another year? Especially given the current market, would we let a player go for £20m because the market is down, knowing in reality he’s worth 30-35 the following season?

I think Rico would go, as I think we managed to keep hold this season and he’s arguably the best LB in the division. But for the rest of the squad, has Da silva done enough to get a move? Raya? Mbeumo hasn’t. Norgaard, Jensen, Janelt, Baptiste, I imagine would still be here, like wise Pinnock, Mads and Jansson. I think most of the squad who we want to stay would, my point being would it be much of a rebuild? Looks like Ghoddos is Marcondes replacement. I think it would just need Rico and Dalsgaard replacement and a couple of wide attacking players and we wouldn’t be far away again. Anyway, this seasons not over yet 😀🐝
 

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IF we don’t go up, I agree losing frank would be the worst loss. That would make the re build tough. Maybe I’m being optimistic but would Toney give us another year? Especially given the current market, would we let a player go for £20m because the market is down, knowing in reality he’s worth 30-35 the following season?

I think Rico would go, as I think we managed to keep hold this season and he’s arguably the best LB in the division. But for the rest of the squad, has Da silva done enough to get a move? Raya? Mbeumo hasn’t. Norgaard, Jensen, Janelt, Baptiste, I imagine would still be here, like wise Pinnock, Mads and Jansson. I think most of the squad who we want to stay would, my point being would it be much of a rebuild? Looks like Ghoddos is Marcondes replacement. I think it would just need Rico and Dalsgaard replacement and a couple of wide attacking players and we wouldn’t be far away again. Anyway, this seasons not over yet 😀🐝
I think it unlikely we could keep Toney without going up. I don’t know the market will be down, I suspect if anything there’ll be a bigger premium on English players. He risks missing his chance if next season he’s in the Championship and doesn’t score as heavily as this season. That’s possible if you consider it has been a fair while since he’s scored in open play for us.
 
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Exactly, which means you, the pipe and everyone else on the bandwagon agree with my thread start hat it is better to keep expectations low and be pleasantly surprised than expect and feel entitled to go up.
Absolutely not.
I never have ‘expectations’.
Brentford FC does not BELONG to me. But it is a major PART of me, through association, and because of that I will be supporting and encouraging the team come hell or high water.

I would prefer it if these so-called fans that you reckon will boo when their over lofty expectations are not fulfilled just naff off if they can’t be thankful for what they have.

Supporting Brentford isn’t about ‘winning’ ..... although it would be rather nice.

PS no one wants to be on my bandwagon. I fart profusely and they ping something awful 😣
 
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Absolutely not.
I never have ‘expectations’.
Brentford FC does not BELONG to me. But it is a major PART of me, through association, and because of that I will be supporting and encouraging the team come hell or high water.

I would prefer it if these so-called fans that you reckon will boo when their over lofty expectations are not fulfilled just naff off if they can’t be thankful for what they have.

Supporting Brentford isn’t about ‘winning’ ..... although it would be rather nice.
100% agree with you on that.
 

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Fortunately there will be 3 Wycombes coming up next season from the weakest ever League One.
My son’s Sunday team would stay up next season in that company.
Or something.
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
So why not just start a thread titled "EXPECTATIONS FOR NEXT SEASON"

Why the need so such negativity from the off? This bloody season hasnt finished yet. Im as disappointed as the next person but i still hold out hope for the playoffs. This thread isnt needed yet. The incoming backlash should be expected.
 

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Absolutely not.
I never have ‘expectations’.
Brentford FC does not BELONG to me. But it is a major PART of me, through association, and because of that I will be supporting and encouraging the team come hell or high water.

I would prefer it if these so-called fans that you reckon will boo when their over lofty expectations are not fulfilled just naff off if they can’t be thankful for what they have.

Supporting Brentford isn’t about ‘winning’ ..... although it would be rather nice.

PS no one wants to be on my bandwagon. I fart profusely and they ping something awful 😣
Exactly. if we wanted to win everything we would be off supporting the Man Us, Chelseas etc of the footballing world.
 

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Better for my mental health than raise hopes to be dissapointed.
My mental health is fecked as it is by a year of this sh*te. At least following the club on ifollow has provided a welcome distraction from the endless flow of depressing news. It’s helped me and I suspect many others and the chance of promotion has been a cause for optimism.
We don’t need your glass half full gloom thanks!
 

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But surely next season will be the weakest championship ever?
I can't imagine it'll be any weaker then any other season ...the teams that come down will be up there as usual zzzzz and the teams coming up I wouldn't be surprised to see hull/ Sunderland stay up fairly easily
 

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Interesting post.

Based on this and several other notorious postings, it’s safe to conclude that the GPG has attracted strange people who:

- Have very low expectations of any success next year because [checks notes]..... no discernible reason. But that doesn’t matter.
- Want the best manager we’ve ever had sacked because we’re in the highest league position we’ve had within living memory.
- Run a poll on which club they’d prefer to see Brentford beaten by.
- Don’t think a slew of the best footballers to ever play for us should play for us.

Wish I had a time machine. I’d take a coach load of these utter w***ers and knobs to a Tuesday night away fixture in November to Grimsby or PNE. Ideally that’d make them grow up, but I suspect they’d just complain about the colour of the bus seats or something.
 
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So why not just start a thread titled "EXPECTATIONS FOR NEXT SEASON"

Why the need so such negativity from the off? This bloody season hasnt finished yet. Im as disappointed as the next person but i still hold out hope for the playoffs. This thread isnt needed yet. The incoming backlash should be expected.
After a good night's sleep, so do I. However, if I tell myself i
Interesting post.

Based on this and several other notorious postings, it’s safe to conclude that the GPG has attracted strange people who:

- Have very low expectations of any success next year because [checks notes]..... no discernible reason. But that doesn’t matter.
- Want the best manager we’ve ever had sacked because we’re in the highest league position we’ve had within living memory.
- Run a poll on which club they’d prefer to see Brentford beaten by.
- Don’t think a slew of the best footballers to ever play for us binned.

Wish I had a time machine. I’d take a coach load of these utter w***ers and knobs to a Tuesday night away fixture in November to Grimsby or PNE. Ideally that’d make them grow up, but I suspect they’d just complain about the colour of the bus seats or something.
Thank you for agreeing with me about the need to get rid of the social media supporters, hence the reason why I started the thread to maintain our sense of realism over entitlement.
 

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I know I wrote earlier about what happens next season if we don’t make it but I honestly think we’ve got every chance this. And writing us off now is imo ridiculous. Watford lose Monday and we win Tuesday and everything changes, thats in 1 game, what can happen in 8? Us as fans should know better than anyone, that anything can happen. Even if we don’t go up 2nd, why can’t we do it in the play offs? It’s a lottery and we will have a ticket! Anyone would think we’re mid table and the season is over.
 

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Thank you for agreeing with me about the need to get rid of the social media supporters, hence the reason why I started the thread to maintain our sense of realism over entitlement.
It’s only half past eleven and you’re clearly off your head. Are you ok? Perhaps phone a friend?
 
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I think some people who are abusing the thread starter have failed to fully understand the nature of the thread.

The whole purpose of the thread was to bring about a sense of realism rather than a sense of entitlement to go up that some supporters have.

Yet this thread has gone dystopian, with the thread stater being tarred in the same brush with the very people who the thread starter said was of concern.
I am literally saying people need to get a sense of perspective, which is what the same people criticising the thread say at 5pm every Saturday.

George Orwell would be laughing reading this double think going on here.
 

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