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I think some people who are abusing the thread starter have failed to fully understand the nature of the thread.

The whole purpose of the thread was to bring about a sense of realism rather than a sense of entitlement to go up that some supporters have.

Yet this thread has gone dystopian, with the thread stater being tarred in the same brush with the very people who the thread starter said was of concern.
I am literally saying people need to get a sense of perspective, which is what the same people criticising the thread say at 5pm every Saturday.

George Orwell would be laughing reading this double think going on here.
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person ?
 

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No harm in a sense of realism in thinking. Nothing the thread starter has said that doesn't have some truth in it. Yes tad early before end of season. But worst case scenario we flop in the play offs. We've a seem the financial climate. Some adjustments may be needed.

But seeing the Rumour about MB interest in Tenerife. Tells me our astute leader is already working out business plans to continue his empire and the money ball rolling. Might take a few more years though.
 

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I think some people who are abusing the thread starter have failed to fully understand the nature of the thread.

The whole purpose of the thread was to bring about a sense of realism rather than a sense of entitlement to go up that some supporters have.

Yet this thread has gone dystopian, with the thread stater being tarred in the same brush with the very people who the thread starter said was of concern.
I am literally saying people need to get a sense of perspective, which is what the same people criticising the thread say at 5pm every Saturday.

George Orwell would be laughing reading this double think going on here.
Bless your heart, you start a thread saying we won’t finish beyond mid-table next season and then complain when you get slated for not having any faith in the team or manager.

Feel free not to hope for the best for Brentford, but make no mistake that many others (including me) will always call you and other naysayers out.
 
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Bless your heart, you start a thread saying we won’t finish beyond mid-table next season and then complain when you get slated for not having any faith in the team or manager.

Feel free not to hope for the best for Brentford, but make no mistake that many others (including me) will always call you and other naysayers out.
I started this thread because I care about my club and do not want a backlash if things go wrong next season. Not sure why you have a problem with that.
You have gone on a rant about 'the manager'? Totally irrelevant to anything in this thread.

Perhaps you will learn to open your mind to those who are optimists and those who are more cynical and naturally fear the 'Brentford innit'

In the meantime, COYB!
 

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More appropriate thread than the "where were you when we went top" that hasn't aged well...
That wins the prize for worst thread because even leaving aside the cringe factor, coming in the middle of lockdown the literal answer for almost everyone was “er, at home in front of a tablet/telly/pc/phone”.
 

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No harm in a sense of realism in thinking. Nothing the thread starter has said that doesn't have some truth in it.
Utter garbage.

We have never finished mid table in 8 seasons in the championship, in fact likely to finish third twice in a row.

Spoiled brats.

Every year we buy better and get stronger and yet we have to put up with this sh*t from so called fans.

Dreadful, embarrassing and shameful thread.

Should close this thread down and apologise to MB then go for a long walk.

I want to be in the ground when we go up as it will be the the best day in our history and I don’t want to watch it on an iPad so I can’t wait until next year.

Such a losers mentality.
 

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So nice to have all these positive posts......some people should get out more often.....why did we sack Warburton......You Reds...
 

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Can the mods please close this thread as it's really not helping my mental health. Ta.
 

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Utter garbage.

We have never finished mid table in 8 seasons in the championship, in fact likely to finish third twice in a row.

Spoiled brats.

Every year we buy better and get stronger and yet we have to put up with this sh*t from so called fans.

Dreadful, embarrassing and shameful thread.

Should close this thread down and apologise to MB then go for a long walk.

I want to be in the ground when we go up as it will be the the best day in our history and I don’t want to watch it on an iPad so I can’t wait until next year.

Such a losers mentality.
We’ve had 9-11th finishes in the non-playoff season. That’s midtable even if upper mid and with too late runs to near top six.
 

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Should just rename the thread 'Negative comments only' and then leave it for those who choose to indulge in negativity. It really doesn't help the mind...

Will be a rebuild next season. JDS, Henry and Toney definitely off with maybe Pinnock too. I assume we won’t be extending Marcondes or Dalsgaard’s contract either. This season is the last proper chance otherwise it’ll be mid table next year.
As an aside though, I agree with this and I've thought this for a while. Next season would likely be a season of transition while we bed in a new generation of players, and we'll probably finish 6th/7th or so (we're not losing everyone!). I could accept this, though with an air of 'sigh...what could have been'. But I fear many others wouldn't look past our league position and would jump on the 'Frank out' calls etc, as they can't look past the points total and not the context of it.

As mhead bee highlighted though, many of our rivals will also be harshly weakened. Many will be cost cutting or playing it safe for a year or two. Anyone with ambition I think could do well next season, as is the case this one. Next season may be a season to enjoy, rather than one to demand a sustained promotion push. Hopefully none of this will take place though and we in fact go up this year.
 
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With the cylindrical nature of football, and the way that we run the club, if we dont get promoted this season then next season was always going to be a rebuilding job, a few players will be sold for decent, decent money with Henry and Josh pretty much guaranteed to go, not sure about Toney because we normally want 2 seasons out of a player? I would've said Mbuemo but he'll probably admit himself he hasn't scaled last years heights, you might even see Norgaard and Jensen away.

However there's no need to get down about that, for one there's still a very real chance we'll get promoted! 😂 We've been the third best team this season, and when we've had a fully fit squad there's no reason to fear anyone. And secondly the teams went through multiple rebuilds with MB at the helm, each time by the time it gets to it's peak it's a little bit stronger than the previous incarnation, this may not be the case with us getting used to a new market but you can only have faith in our buying business surely?

If we don't get promoted this season I'll be gutted, we have truly amassed a great bunch of players over the past couple of years, who absolutely deserved to get us to the prem. However if that doesn't come to pass I'll be interested to see who we'll bring in to strengthen the side and see how they do. Will Forss stepup is he's first choice? How good will Bidstrup be with a full pre season and no injury? What other currently unknown players are we going to laud next year?


There's a plethora of other clubs fans who would commit some pretty heinous crimes to be in our position, with the owner we have. Enjoy the ride.
 

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I am concerned for some of our alleged fans that post on this site. When we get promoted how will they manage to cope when we lose more games than we have this season. Perhaps competitive sport is not really right for them.
 

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I am concerned for some of our alleged fans that post on this site. When we get promoted how will they manage to cope when we lose more games than we have this season. Perhaps competitive sport is not really right for them.
I thought that too you know, if we do go up this season we will be in a relegation battle next season.... honestly how are some on here going to cope?
 

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I thought that too you know, if we do go up this season we will be in a relegation battle next season.... honestly how are some on here going to cope?
Not so sure. Going by some of the posts on here I reckon there will be TF out demos in the LR forecourt (is there one?!) if we're not in the UEFA Cup slots by Xmas
 

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They're not.
Five games in if we’re in bottom 6 some will be claiming MB has trousered the cash, not invested in enough Internationals to sit on the bench and we lack ambition. Their parents were probably those calling for Karleigh to hoof it long and stop all the tippy tapping passing in our own half.
 

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I reached a point in my Brentford supporting life a long time ago that it will be what it will be.

I certainly won't lose hope but at the same time I don't have to temper by expectations to protect me from disappointment. It's football, yes it's frustrating, but I can't take it that seriously that it renders me clinically depressed where I have to create some form of protective mental blanket around me. Life's far too short for that.
 

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Fortunately there will be 3 Wycombes coming up next season from the weakest ever League One.
My son’s Sunday team would stay up next season in that company.
Or something.
I agree all the leagues have been weaker this year however Sunderland would be the team to watch. They've just acquired a very weathly owner, his investment in the loan market has already got them storming through league 1 to go from out of it to strong top 2 contenders. If they come up, I'd expect a significant amount of investment there with 50,000 back at the SOL; they'd be decent odds and a decent bet to go right through the leagues back upto the PL
 

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I thought that too you know, if we do go up this season we will be in a relegation battle next season.... honestly how are some on here going to cope?
My back of a fag packet answer....

- Start a poll on the first day of the season asking which ten clubs they’d prefer to see beat Brentford lose to
- After gaining promotion to the Premier League, start questioning Mr Benham’s ambition for the club.
- Presumably we‘ll be able to attend games in person, so that will give them endless opportunities to complain about the colour of the seats, the club shop portakabin and - yes - the onions in the catering.
- If Thomas Frank takes us up, ask whether the club was right to keep faith in Thomas Frank.
- Complain that it’s taken us too long to get promoted and/or they didn’t want us to get promoted anyway. This last one will be flourished regularly when the home game against Liverpool gets moved to a Wednesday night for Sky Sports.
- Complain that playing Man Utd away isn’t ‘real Brentford’ and it was better when we were playing Chesterfield or Tranmere.
- Campaign to bring back the castle badge*

PLEASE BOOKMARK THIS POST ‘COS IF WE GO UP, THIS WILL ALL HAPPEN :king:

*My name‘s Silly Hat and I endorse this last one.
 

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My back of a fag packet answer....

- Start a poll on the first day of the season asking which ten clubs they’d prefer to see beat Brentford lose to
- After gaining promotion to the Premier League, start questioning Mr Benham’s ambition for the club.
- Presumably we‘ll be able to attend games in person, so that will give them endless opportunities to complain about the colour of the seats, the club shop portakabin and - yes - the onions in the catering.
- If Thomas Frank takes us up, ask whether the club was right to keep faith in Thomas Frank.
- Complain that it’s taken us too long to get promoted and/or they didn’t want us to get promoted anyway. This last one will be flourished regularly when the home game against Liverpool gets moved to a Wednesday night for Sky Sports.
- Complain that playing Man Utd away isn’t ‘real Brentford’ and it was better when we were playing Chesterfield or Tranmere.
- Campaign to bring back the castle badge*

PLEASE BOOKMARK THIS POST ‘COS IF WE GO UP, THIS WILL ALL HAPPEN :king:

*My name‘s Silly Hat and I endorse this last one.
You forgot the inevitable moaning about 20% of the crowd leaving on 80mins to beat the traffic / queues for trains & buses etc :wave:
 

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I agree all the leagues have been weaker this year however Sunderland would be the team to watch. They've just acquired a very weathly owner, his investment in the loan market has already got them storming through league 1 to go from out of it to strong top 2 contenders. If they come up, I'd expect a significant amount of investment there with 50,000 back at the SOL; they'd be decent odds and a decent bet to go right through the leagues back upto the PL
what !?!?
 

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My back of a fag packet answer....

- Start a poll on the first day of the season asking which ten clubs they’d prefer to see beat Brentford lose to
- After gaining promotion to the Premier League, start questioning Mr Benham’s ambition for the club.
- Presumably we‘ll be able to attend games in person, so that will give them endless opportunities to complain about the colour of the seats, the club shop portakabin and - yes - the onions in the catering.
- If Thomas Frank takes us up, ask whether the club was right to keep faith in Thomas Frank.
- Complain that it’s taken us too long to get promoted and/or they didn’t want us to get promoted anyway. This last one will be flourished regularly when the home game against Liverpool gets moved to a Wednesday night for Sky Sports.
- Complain that playing Man Utd away isn’t ‘real Brentford’ and it was better when we were playing Chesterfield or Tranmere.
- Campaign to bring back the castle badge*

PLEASE BOOKMARK THIS POST ‘COS IF WE GO UP, THIS WILL ALL HAPPEN :king:

*My name‘s Silly Hat and I endorse this last one.
Not allowed to hate Fulham any more either.

Does no one else think this continued bitterness towards Fulham is a bit...embarrassing? This season in particular I mean.

They got the last laugh in August. No matter how much they’re struggling, they win by virtue of the fact they’re in the Prem and we’re not.

When we’re in the same division of course it’s another matter. But think how we’d feel if we won that play-off final last August and they had a thread about us while we inevitably struggled in a relegation scrap - we’d be embarrassed for them, wouldn’t we? I doubt they’ve thought twice about how we’re doing this year.
 

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I agree all the leagues have been weaker this year however Sunderland would be the team to watch. They've just acquired a very weathly owner, his investment in the loan market has already got them storming through league 1 to go from out of it to strong top 2 contenders. If they come up, I'd expect a significant amount of investment there with 50,000 back at the SOL; they'd be decent odds and a decent bet to go right through the leagues back upto the PL
They'll only get 50k if and when they're back in the EPL. In the Championship 20k or so. Gloryhunters!
 

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Will be a rebuild next season. JDS, Henry and Toney definitely off with maybe Pinnock too. I assume we won’t be extending Marcondes or Dalsgaard’s contract either. This season is the last proper chance otherwise it’ll be mid table next year.
How do you know those we bring in to replace the ones you've mentioned won't be better? Pinnock won't be going anywhere though I'd have thought. We'll prob see Pontus go but that's not necessarily a disaster. Will JDS go? I'm not so sure. Hopefully a fit Baptiste would step up anyway. Henry and Toney more than likely. Dalsgaard could well extend given how fit he is. I don't think it'll be the enormous rebuild from scratch that people talk about.
 
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I thought that too you know, if we do go up this season we will be in a relegation battle next season.... honestly how are some on here going to cope?
Sad to say, they won’t.
Here are the possible scenarios for next season if we go up, all of which are not so great.

Best case: we’re lucky and we do a ‘Bournemouth’, stay up and progress. GPG in meltdown at Easter as we blow our Europa League chances; but MB sticks with TF.
Medium case: we do a ‘Burnley’, have a good start and win at OT, SB and Anfield but alas get relegated after losing 4-1 at Ashton Gate. GPG in meltdown from Easter as we lose our 20th consecutive game.
MB sticks with TF as we bag the parachute dosh, reinvest, and come back up in May 2022.
Worst case: we get relegate in February without winning a single game. GPG in meltdown in October as we set the record for playing our first ten games in the top division without scoring a goal. MB sticks with TF as we bag the parachute dosh, reinvest, and come back up in May 2022.
All of the above are acceptable to me as it means MB recoups some of his investment and we are (with good financial management) set up for the future. Happy days 🐝🐝🐝

However my concern is that the ‘heat’ from new ‘fans’ that their over-lofty-expectations have not been met will upset the good ship BFC and going to footy on a Saturday/Sunday/Friday/Monday will not be so enjoyable 😢
 

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I agree all the leagues have been weaker this year however Sunderland would be the team to watch. They've just acquired a very weathly owner, his investment in the loan market has already got them storming through league 1 to go from out of it to strong top 2 contenders. If they come up, I'd expect a significant amount of investment there with 50,000 back at the SOL; they'd be decent odds and a decent bet to go right through the leagues back upto the PL
You have been well and truly whooshed.😂😂😂
 

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You have been well and truly whooshed.😂😂😂
Happy Easter mate, I guess time will tell. I don't get a lot wrong to be fair 🙂

In truth though we shouldn't really be talking about next season when we've a good chance in this season's play offs.
 
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They'll only get 50k if and when they're back in the EPL. In the Championship 20k or so. Gloryhunters!
Maybe so it's all guesswork and we can talk about our competition in the summer, but personally a big club like Sunderland with a new owner worth £2billion may just attract a few thousand more of them "gloryhunters" back sooner. He hasn't really had a chance to spend yet as he came in mid season, but he has made a difference already. If they come up one would expect serious investment and a serious challenge from them next season.
 

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Yes, I am starting this thread now because I have no hope whatsoever of promotion. I have seen defeat snatched from the jaws of victory one time too many.

I think we all need a reality check. With the impact of covid, brexit, the new stadium and inevitable cut price player sales (I highly doubt Toney will go for more than Watkins in the current market) mid table would be a realistic outcome and some of our more young, ambitions fans will need that reality check rather than booing every game.
I would love to see you as a boxer.
Walk to the ring, music playing, crowd shouting, adrenaline pumping, MC calling out your name, crowd going wild, tv cameras at the ready, crowd pumping up the volume, sweat dripping, corner waiting, press bigging you up, you climb over the ropes, look at your opponent, swinging his arms awaiting yourself and....... You say f**k this for a laugh you seen the size of him. I'm off.
 

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So you, and others, are saying it is better for young supporters to except to go up and throw the toys out of the pram if we don't?
Based on previous posts on post match threads you normally agree with me that it's better to keep expectations low so we are not disappointed, so I am not sure why you have jumped on the bandwagon to attack the thread starter.
There is a gaping chasm of opinion between "i expect to go up and will throw my toys out of the pram if we don't", and your opinion, which began "i have no hope whatsoever of promotion" and then demanded a reality check.

Regrettably I concur. On their day this side is the best in the league, but for some unknown reason when the chips are down Brentford let you down. Seems almost impossible that they have managed to blow it again this season. A bit of a chance in play offs I suppose, but history is not on our side in that department. I very much fear our chance of premier league football has gone at least for foreseeable future
Blimey, and some people were claiming it's the optimists who are OTT.

Can I zero in on "Seems almost impossible that they have managed to blow it again this season" Why?? We sold our best two players. We were promotion favourites for maybe 7 days of the whole season. We were top for four days. There are rich clubs with big parachute money heading for huge points totals (way more than last season's anyway). We had a great unbeaten run but there have been key players injured. Nobody gets promoted in January or February so nothing was "almost impossible".

Even the most deluded Leeds / Newcastle / Villa fan would get laughed out of town for thinking the Championship is a stroll in the park for the real football teams.
 

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How do you know those we bring in to replace the ones you've mentioned won't be better? Pinnock won't be going anywhere though I'd have thought. We'll prob see Pontus go but that's not necessarily a disaster. Will JDS go? I'm not so sure. Hopefully a fit Baptiste would step up anyway. Henry and Toney more than likely. Dalsgaard could well extend given how fit he is. I don't think it'll be the enormous rebuild from scratch that people talk about.
Good post. There might be elements of wishful thinking but we have a fair bit of recent evidence of players who many felt would be irreplaceable and it proved to be not so. I remember being concerned when Forshaw and Donaldson left thinking we would be facing a relegation battle in our first Championship season and look how that turned out. I remember the fixtures coming out for that season and many thinking that our last game against Wigan would be a promotion and relegation clash. Turned out it was but not the way round many expected.
My other favourite example was when we sold Hiogan. Rather than that being the disaster many predicted it turned out to be the making of Vibe.
I will hate it as much as anyone if we miss out in promotion and lose quality players as a result but what will be will be and we simply need to be reminding ourselves how far we have come as a club
 
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There is a gaping chasm of opinion between "i expect to go up and will throw my toys out of the pram if we don't", and your opinion, which began "i have no hope whatsoever of promotion" and then demanded a reality check.


Blimey, and some people were claiming it's the optimists who are OTT.

Can I zero in on "Seems almost impossible that they have managed to blow it again this season" Why?? We sold our best two players. We were promotion favourites for maybe 7 days of the whole season. We were top for four days. There are rich clubs with big parachute money heading for huge points totals (way more than last season's anyway). We had a great unbeaten run but there have been key players injured. Nobody gets promoted in January or February so nothing was "almost impossible".

Even the most deluded Leeds / Newcastle / Villa fan would get laughed out of town for thinking the Championship is a stroll in the park for the real football teams.
If that is the way you see things , you are entitled to think that.
 

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Now now, we can’t have any of that cancel culture on here surely ? Whatever next ! Lol
It’s not cancel culture. This type of thread is free to embarrass itself on e.g. the Brentford Loyal Facebook page, so no one is denying The Third Man (a.k.a. The thread starter (note: I preferred Prodigy’s original version, RIP Keith)) a voice or a platform. It’s just suggested that the thread‘s natural home isn’t on a website for genuine Brentford supporters, and would be far happier with the Frank Out Benham Out Insane Clown Posse elsewhere.

:judge:
 

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Never lower your expectations. I go into each season wanting to win the league. Be it league two or the Championship. Ive never changed.
 

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I reached a point in my Brentford supporting life a long time ago that it will be what it will be.

I certainly won't lose hope but at the same time I don't have to temper by expectations to protect me from disappointment. It's football, yes it's frustrating, but I can't take it that seriously that it renders me clinically depressed where I have to create some form of protective mental blanket around me. Life's far too short for that.
Come on Doovster. I can reel off a handful of occasions in the last 10 years that should have you depressed as depressed can be. You cant protect yourself from moments like Trotta etc. I will admit i managed to switch off a little bit after last seasons disappointments. But it still had me in a bad place. It was a little softer as i wasnt at the games.

Its the hope that hurts. And whe it comes to Brentford we never get to have our moment in the sun. Bar Preston every moment has been taken away from us.
 

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Bar Preston every moment has been taken away from us.
You’re right that football is about moments but I disagree that every one has been taken away from us.

On the subject of expectations, some of my favourite moments in recent years came in the second half of the 18/19 season when we really had nothing to play for - the last kick winner against Villa, hitting 5 against Blackburn and Hull on glorious days, stopping Leeds going up...

And speaking of moments, on reflection I’d probably gladly sacrifice the injury time penalty against Doncaster if it ultimately meant having Jota’s winner V Fulham.

Quite frankly, I couldn’t care less about expectations for next season. I just want to be back watching Brentford so more memories can be created.
 

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You’re right that football is about moments but I disagree that every one has been taken away from us.

On the subject of expectations, some of my favourite moments in recent years came in the second half of the 18/19 season when we really had nothing to play for - the last kick winner against Villa, hitting 5 against Blackburn and Hull on glorious days, stopping Leeds going up...

And speaking of moments, on reflection I’d probably gladly sacrifice the injury time penalty against Doncaster if it ultimately meant having Jota’s winner V Fulham.

Quite frankly, I couldn’t care less about expectations for next season. I just want to be back watching Brentford so more memories can be created.
Good points.

What i mean is i want the moments when i can walk out of Wembley, GP/LR or an away ground and think yes the moment is on us from a winning perspective.

Not many teams can have these moments but when it comes to BFC we tend to **** them up more then any other side.

As for the other moments that arent season defining, of course i love and cherish them but im sick to the back teeth of watching other sides by pass and celebrate wildly on the big stage and we keep saying there is always next year. Jesus ive had to stomach Carlise and Yeovil taking the piss when it mattered let alone Fulham, Reading etc.
 
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Good points.

What i mean is i want the moments when i can walk out of Wembley, GP/LR or an away ground and think yes the moment is on us from a winning perspective.

Not many teams can have these moments but when it comes to BFC we tend to **** them up more then any other side.

As for the other moments that arent season defining, of course i love and cherish them but im sick to the back teeth of watching other sides by pass and celebrate wildly on the big stage and we keep saying there is always next year. Jesus ive had to stomach Carlise and Yeovil taking the piss when it mattered let alone Fulham, Reading etc.
Cambridge, Darlington and Peterborough anyone 😉 It might seem that we screw it up at the most crucial moments but if you look at what we have have achieved for a club of our size we should all be proud. Most points gained over the course of a decade suggests we haven't done too badly
 
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You’re right that football is about moments but I disagree that every one has been taken away from us.

On the subject of expectations, some of my favourite moments in recent years came in the second half of the 18/19 season when we really had nothing to play for - the last kick winner against Villa, hitting 5 against Blackburn and Hull on glorious days, stopping Leeds going up...

And speaking of moments, on reflection I’d probably gladly sacrifice the injury time penalty against Doncaster if it ultimately meant having Jota’s winner V Fulham.

Quite frankly, I couldn’t care less about expectations for next season. I just want to be back watching Brentford so more memories can be created.
Exactly.
Especially Maupay’s winner v Villa.
Evening match, standing right in front of it on ER as it hit the back of the net.
Another ‘forever’ moment 🐝🐝🐝🐝
Worth all the tea in Sainsbury’s.
 

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Not so sure. Going by some of the posts on here I reckon there will be TF out demos in the LR forecourt (is there one?!) if we're not in the UEFA Cup slots by Xmas
I doubt it, by then protests will be banned and they won't be able to get an appointment ;)
 

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I would love to see you as a boxer.
Walk to the ring, music playing, crowd shouting, adrenaline pumping, MC calling out your name, crowd going wild, tv cameras at the ready, crowd pumping up the volume, sweat dripping, corner waiting, press bigging you up, you climb over the ropes, look at your opponent, swinging his arms awaiting yourself and....... You say f**k this for a laugh you seen the size of him. I'm off.
....sounds like Carl Frampton last Saturday.
 

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