Lower expectations next season

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I go into every season expecting that we will, at some point in the season, be in a really promising position and it's just a case of whether we sustain it. I also hope for a good cup run and am seriously pissed off that we have had that this season and none of us got to see it. I also think possibly 4/5 changes in our starting eleven next season will see us maintain our upward trajectory. In the DofFs we trust.
 

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Dreaming is a good thing in football. Do aim high, just don't get too angry if those dreams don't materialise. The hope of promotion has made this and last season so much better than the previous years, even if it hasn't been very fun for over a month now.

The Villa win was nice, but I remember thinking a few seconds afterwards 'it's a shame it doesn't mean anything'. I don't think I'll go into next season expecting an auto push, but when you're aiming a little lower you can afford more off days. Being able to afford a few losses makes things easier.
 

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Before the season I am not expecting play-offs or another flirt with top 2, but by a long shot considering what we lost. HOWEVER now we are here and realistically we haven't played a large portion of the season particularly well - my expectations are high and rightly so. If this side can find an ounce of quality for 90 minutes we will take this automatic spot to the very end.
 

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Good points.

What i mean is i want the moments when i can walk out of Wembley, GP/LR or an away ground and think yes the moment is on us from a winning perspective.

Not many teams can have these moments but when it comes to BFC we tend to **** them up more then any other side.

As for the other moments that arent season defining, of course i love and cherish them but im sick to the back teeth of watching other sides by pass and celebrate wildly on the big stage and we keep saying there is always next year. Jesus ive had to stomach Carlise and Yeovil taking the piss when it mattered let alone Fulham, Reading etc.
...and look where they are now. Compare and contrast with us!
 

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Come on Doovster. I can reel off a handful of occasions in the last 10 years that should have you depressed as depressed can be. You cant protect yourself from moments like Trotta etc. I will admit i managed to switch off a little bit after last seasons disappointments. But it still had me in a bad place. It was a little softer as i wasnt at the games.

Its the hope that hurts. And whe it comes to Brentford we never get to have our moment in the sun. Bar Preston every moment has been taken away from us.
Again looking at Twitter last night reminded me of my post again.

Don't get me wrong, I get disappointed when things don't go our way, and was in a haze for the rest of the day when Trotta hit the cross bar, but I don't have to reduce my expectations waiting for it to go wrong in order to protect myself in some way.

I always have hope, I still have hope that by some miracle Watford lose a couple of their remaining games and we win all 7 of ours. As unlikely as that is, I won't not hope that just in order to make myself somehow feel better when it all comes crashing down.
 

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Again looking at Twitter last night reminded me of my post again.

Don't get me wrong, I get disappointed when things don't go our way, and was in a haze for the rest of the day when Trotta hit the cross bar, but I don't have to reduce my expectations waiting for it to go wrong in order to protect myself in some way.

I always have hope, I still have hope that by some miracle Watford lose a couple of their remaining games and we win all 7 of ours. As unlikely as that is, I won't not hope that just in order to make myself somehow feel better when it all comes crashing down.

I understand that for some people to be completely negative, say we are "not good enough" and to throw the towel in is a self preservation technique. If they can give up on the team and try to convince themselves we are rubbish and won't make the play off's then they this will somehow prepare them or reduce the impact when it goes wrong. I don't think this works very well for them because it is the same group of people that rare up so aggressively after every defeat or misplaced pass.

Personally I always hope we will do it but expect us to fall short so would rather we did it early. I would rather draw 4 games and slip away early doors then go through another Crewe, Stoke, Yeovil, Reading, Doncaster, Birmingham, Huddersfield, Port vale, Carlilse, Fekkin Fulham or finishing bloody second and not going up.

I still believe we are a different breed nowadays and we will have our day but I desperately want to be there when it happens and not sitting in my study on my own watching it on my ipad. All these pragmatic thoughts do not wash away the pure anger and frustration watching us throw away another golden chance with little more than a gutless whimper but the thought of being in the new stadium next season and "going again" is a real leveller for me so I can take this season being another one to add to the list. As long as we go out being sh*te and not by drawing at home to Watford and watching them celebrate as we go into the PO's a broken machine again.
 

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If (1895)
Rudyard Kipling

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If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream – and not make dreams your master;
If you can think – and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings – nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And – which is more – you’ll be a Man, my son!
mmm........poem ends ‘you’ll be a man, my son’ John Kipling, Rudyard’s son was refused admission to the Navy due to his shortsightedness. His father persuaded the authorities to let him join up. John died at the battle of Loos aged 18, the same battle my great grandfather died in. This may be an attempt at a ‘rally call’ but not keen on it myself.
 

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Whilst I still live in hope, I have written off in my mind promotion this season( yes I am a pessimist) . More worrying is the likely exodus of players should we not get promoted.
 

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Whilst I still live in hope, I have written off in my mind promotion this season( yes I am a pessimist) . More worrying is the likely exodus of players should we not get promoted.
Yep. We've seen it all before.
 

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I start every season with a 50 point aim and seeing where we are at that point.
I start every season with the intention to win and be the best I possibly can. I will never settle for 2nd, 3rd of 22nd best before I have started. No success will ever come from such a mediocre outlook.
 

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and still keep defying the odds :sorted:
Like I said on the Brum match thread, it would’ve the ultimate ‘it’s Brentford innit’ if we went into the play offs out of form and out of confidence and won the lot at the 200th time of asking.
 

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Not many teams can have these moments but when it comes to BFC we tend to **** them up more then any other side.
I don't agree with this. It's not just us. Most teams fail in a football season with a small percentage getting success. Football is mostly about failure.
 

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I wonder if the Premier League is as much of a financial boost as we expect, were we to go up we would have to pay increased salaries to all our players plus
pay out large fees for players (and salaries) for players good enough for Premier League, Villa for example have paid out massive money to get competitive
Fulham have had to virtually change their whole team.
 

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I wonder if the Premier League is as much of a financial boost as we expect, were we to go up we would have to pay increased salaries to all our players plus
pay out large fees for players (and salaries) for players good enough for Premier League, Villa for example have paid out massive money to get competitive
Fulham have had to virtually change their whole team.
I understand and agree with your points but after 65+ years (75 pap) of following Brentford at least one year would be good. Bournemouth did it for a few years , it would be nice .

Don’t think I could take the so called Sky and BBC experts prattling on , I don’t watch Match Of The Day so it won’t be a big thing for me cant stand so called experts
 

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I start every season with the intention to win and be the best I possibly can. I will never settle for 2nd, 3rd of 22nd best before I have started. No success will ever come from such a mediocre outlook.
But success has come from such an outlook!! For 50 years I watched us in tier 3 and 4 football, so you could argue your mindset failed!! Of course I want us to win every game, but setting targets is part of that. Get to 50 points by end of January and there's every chance you'll get play off at least, you then reset your mind set to 85 points etc etc. Many top coaches set targets as they are stepping stones to ultimate success. I also look at a target of points from every 6 games rather than dwell on a loss from 1 game, it makes things more interesting imho. Each to there own and how things work for them.
Life generally is a set of targets to reach not just in gauged or financial success either, some of the most you'd consider mediocre are actually very happy, and that is very important . Whereas an emphasis just on winning, bring many problems. Cheers
 

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I wonder if the Premier League is as much of a financial boost as we expect, were we to go up we would have to pay increased salaries to all our players plus
pay out large fees for players (and salaries) for players good enough for Premier League, Villa for example have paid out massive money to get competitive
Fulham have had to virtually change their whole team.
and they are still going down :LOL:
 

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I understand and agree with your points but after 65+ years (75 pap) of following Brentford at least one year would be good. Bournemouth did it for a few years , it would be nice .

Don’t think I could take the so called Sky and BBC experts prattling on , I don’t watch Match Of The Day so it won’t be a big thing for me cant stand so called experts
Agree would be nice to get at least one year, but I do wonder if all the financial benefits would not prove to be forthcoming due to the expense req'd
to try to ensure maintaining that status.
 

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Like I said on the Brum match thread, it would’ve the ultimate ‘it’s Brentford innit’ if we went into the play offs out of form and out of confidence and won the lot at the 200th time of asking.
Wouldn't be the first team to do that. Fulham hadn't looked great going into the play offs last year and decided just to make it a non-game in the final they were so scared of us. Remember QPR getting absolutely battered in the final and fluking through..
 

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Wouldn't be the first team to do that. Fulham hadn't looked great going into the play offs last year and decided just to make it a non-game in the final they were so scared of us. Remember QPR getting absolutely battered in the final and fluking through..
That is now I fear the best we can hope for.
 

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That is now I fear the best we can hope for.
Nahh.. I don't think it'd take much for us to pick up a bit of form. A couple of early goals v Preston and we're off. If Jensen or Canos had put their chances away v Brum I think we'd have battered them. All it takes is one game. We just need that little bit of luck or that bit more composure. Defence is looking more solid again...
 
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Nahh.. I don't think it'd take much for us to pick up a bit of form. A couple of early goals v Preston and we're off. If Jensen or Canos had put their chances away v Brum I think we'd have battered them. All it takes is one game. We just need that little bit of luck or that bit more composure. Defence is looking more solid again...
Not sure what you're basing that on, other than faith and hope.

We recently went ahead against two poor sides; Derby (2 goals) and Forest (penalty) and failed to 'batter' either of them. As far as 'a couple of early goals against Preston', I remember when we did exactly that earlier this season! We are just not creating a significant amount of gilt-edged chances to put sides away, because our build up is ponderous and predictable most of the time. Whether that's down to confidence, fatigue, caution or injured personnel, I really don't know - probably a bit of all of those!

You're right in that it just takes one game to turn things around, but we've been waiting for that 'one game' for a while now and it never quite materialises. Yes, the defence did look better, but it was only Brum. Far better teams lie ahead.

If by some chance we do beat Preston, this place will go into 'positive' meltdown that we really can catch Watford. I won't believe that, but will celebrate it as one of the three wins we need to build some confidence and make sure of that PO place.
 

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I don't agree with this. It's not just us. Most teams fail in a football season with a small percentage getting success. Football is mostly about failure.
Read it again mate. "tend to **** them up more then any other side".
Plus " Not many teams can have these moments"

So yes football is about failure. But i still think we tend to mess up our chance when at times we should of taken a % of them.
 

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Whilst I still live in hope, I have written off in my mind promotion this season( yes I am a pessimist) . More worrying is the likely exodus of players should we not get promoted.
Why have you written off promotion this season when we we can still make automatic and if not there is the playoff. We have got to be successful in one of them sooner or later
 

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Why have you written off promotion this season when we we can still make automatic and if not there is the playoff. We have got to be successful in one of them sooner or later
No one keener than me for you to be right!! With 60 years of memories it is however IMO best to be prepared
 

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I expect lower midtable next season













after going up this season!
 

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yes our exception's will be lower as we will be in a tougher league would be happy to finish out of the bottom 3 in the premier and build from there.
 
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If we don’t go up via play offs then I will say now that a mid table finish is the best we can hope for next season....the best we can hope for nailed on ;) We will lose too much quality in summer and we don’t have it coming tjrough unfirtunstely...tf will be off too so KOC as our new manager will have to make do with what we’ve got left to start with but things might pick up in jan....I bet I’m right too ;)
 

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If we don’t go up via play offs then I will say now that a mid table finish is the best we can hope for next season....the best we can hope for nailed on ;) We will lose too much quality in summer and we don’t have it coming tjrough unfirtunstely...tf will be off too so KOC as our new manager will have to make do with what we’ve got left to start with but things might pick up in jan....I bet I’m right too ;)
Don't agree with you.
Yes we might lose a couple of top line players but we have quite a few Brentford B players who could step up,

If we don't go up this season I think we will have another chance next season.
 

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If we don’t go up via play offs then I will say now that a mid table finish is the best we can hope for next season....the best we can hope for nailed on ;) We will lose too much quality in summer and we don’t have it coming tjrough unfirtunstely...tf will be off too so KOC as our new manager will have to make do with what we’ve got left to start with but things might pick up in jan....I bet I’m right too ;)
I bet you're wrong! Even if we lose a couple, I expect we'd still have the likes of Norgaard, Mbeumo, Canos, Janelt, Ghoddos, Forss, Fosu, Baptiste, Dalsgaard (wouldn't be surprised), Pinnock, Raya, Jensen, Sorenson, Roerslev, Goode, plus some great young talent with Gunnarsson, Bidstrup, Gilbert, Brook, Pressley, Mogensen, Haygarth, Stevens, Racic, Hockenhull, Oksanen, Zamburek and possibly even Dervisoglu. We're likely to have a few bob to spend and will no doubt have a few we want to bring in to make up for missed oppportunities this year.
 

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If we don’t go up via play offs then I will say now that a mid table finish is the best we can hope for next season....the best we can hope for nailed on ;) We will lose too much quality in summer and we don’t have it coming tjrough unfirtunstely...tf will be off too so KOC as our new manager will have to make do with what we’ve got left to start with but things might pick up in jan....I bet I’m right too ;)
Lets get his season out the way first and then let's do we do every year and bring in a couple of better players than the ones we lose.

How many more of these pissing awful negative threads can people start between now and the end of the season.
 

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Changing all their Team is probably why they are going down. They did that last time so clearly they are not good learners!
Bit different this year they started with the promoted lads who were struggling so they bought in a load of loans.
 

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