Lunch with Terry Evans this Saturday

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I never saw Peter Gelson play but met him doing 'Where Are They Now' for the programme (as I did Batesy and Terry). Peter was an absolute gent and had nothing but great stories / things to say about his time at the club. Likewise, Jamie ... Don't knock them until you've heard them - it'll be a great day out
 

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I never saw Peter Gelson play but met him doing 'Where Are They Now' for the programme (as I did Batesy and Terry). Peter was an absolute gent and had nothing but great stories / things to say about his time at the club. Likewise, Jamie ... Don't knock them until you've heard them - it'll be a great day out

If Peter Gelson is there, then you will be talking to one of the most loyal players who ever played for us. A great tacler - ask him about his long sliding tackles, that must have been such a headache for our groundsman. When Peter went for the ball, nothing was going to stop him! Please wish him well from me for having watched him play so well in hundreds of games.
 
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Ask him about the penalty against Aldershot, and which bus stop on the Ealing Road the ball was found by! Or about the couple of goals he scored from 60 yards out!
 

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I'm trying to be polite here to the oldies...:D;), Paulo is a young man who has entered the world of fatherhood, probably had a few sleepless nights with all the mayhem that is thrown in with it all. He's from an era where Big Tel was as close to a hero as one could have hoped for, I know as it was also a big era for me. No disrespect to Mr Gelson but I know him by name only and although it wasn't the club's fault, I'd be pretty pissed off if my day with Big Tel had become a day with John Hollins and Peter Gelson.
I feel and understand his frustration, one of the old codgers up here who travels to games always bangs on about Gerry Cakebread, we allow him this pleasure but it means nothing to me , oh Vienna.
 

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If Peter Gelson is there, then you will be talking to one of the most loyal players who ever played for us. A great tacler - ask him about his long sliding tackles, that must have been such a headache for our groundsman. When Peter went for the ball, nothing was going to stop him! Please wish him well from me for having watched him play so well in hundreds of games.

I could not agree more. Terry Evans may be a legend. But Peter Gelson is a double legend.
Also, an extremely loyal clubman, from his days in the juniors to when he left around 15 years later. Highly respected by colleagues and opponents alike. And as courageous as any player I have seen in the red and white stripes.
He also continued to play a lot of local football until late in life, has a huge knowledge of the game, has strong views, and still watches the Bees regularly . On top of that, he is a terrific guy to chat to and a real gent. IMHO the club have got a terrific guest in Peter Gelson, and I feel sure those who attend will not be disappointed...
 

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Although I don't think the club are in the wrong, I do agree with NB. Gelson could have scored 500 goals for the Bees, I'd still rather chat with Big Tel as I was there for his time and could reminisce. I think sharing memories is what these things are about?
Hollins? Suppose I could ask him why I got so many of his Panini Football 82 sticker but couldn't get Pat Jennings for love nor money nor five shinies.
 

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I've been talking to a really nice guy called Michael Ball who played for the Bees during the 60's, he says that Gelson was a great player but the best he played with was Johnny Brooks.
 

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Johnny Brooks was probably the best footballer I've seen in my Bees experience. Peter Gelson was, as has been noted, the most wholehearted player I've seen; gave everything and you certainly wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of his tackles. It was a man's game when he was playing!
 
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I've been talking to a really nice guy called Michael Ball who played for the Bees during the 60's, he says that Gelson was a great player but the best he played with was Johnny Brooks.

MB is a trivia question in himslef. Never saw him play but he was a right winger who played hundreds of games in the reserves and won a London Challenge Cup medal I think against Chelsea but somehow never played a football league game.
 
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The cluub were in a difficult position and I think did well to get Peter Gelson - a true legend, aat such short notice, but I can also understand the disappintmment as football is all about the passion of identifying with heroes and if you were brought up on the 92 team you want to meet Evans, Smillie, Benno, Deano etc and it is understandable if you are disappointed
 

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I've been talking to a really nice guy called Michael Ball who played for the Bees during the 60's, he says that Gelson was a great player but the best he played with was Johnny Brooks.
I remember Mickey Ball very well. I the late 50's and early 60's I watched lots of junior, A team and reserve games as well as training sessions. He was a very good winger, with a very fierce shot and a decent scoring record. He was a cheerful chap and popular, too. Many fans wondered why he never graced the first team, but we got the impression it was something to do with him wishing to remain an Amateur player. He was in that victorious London Challenge Cup-winning team of 1965. Do give him our regards!:wave:
 

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You're missing the point - Peter Gelson is a legend agreed but he is totally different to Terry Evans...

It's like buying a ticket to go and see Noel Gallagher and Will Young turns up....

BTW - I'll give Clare a call abee and see if she's free to do it!
 

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As we tried to replace Tel with Shane Westley last time, was he not available this time around
 

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As we tried to replace Tel with Shane Westley last time, was he not available this time around

haha.

Peter Gelson sounds like a total Bees legend from what everyone says on this thread. and he still watches us as well. great stuff.
 

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To me it was disgraceful that we she was not informed with regards to Terry Evans cancelling.

As promised I investigated this and I now have copies of all of the emails and details of the telecons between your wife and Mike Sullivan who handled on behalf of the Club. The sequence seems to be this :

Monday 14th Mrs Paulo Bee emailed the Club for details

Monday 14th MS replied back with details

Tuesday 15th PM Mrs Paulo Bee received from MS the details of the package inc Terry Evans coming along (this was true at the time)

Wed 16th AM Peter Gilham informed MS Terry Evans had cancelled. Over the a period of 24 hours, MS then contacted and spoke to Bob Booker, Jamie Bates and Peter Gelson about stepping in. None could confirm they could make it, but would let MS know. MS then spoke to John Hollins, a personal friend to see if he would step in, making sure that we definetly had at least one footballing legend at the Restaurant.

Wed 16th PM MS spoke to Mrs Paulo Bee and took payment and booking, and sent email with details

Wed 16th PM Email received from Mrs Paulo Bee very disappointed about no Terry Evans

Wed 16th PM (approx 10.00pm in evening) MS sent email to Mrs Paulo Bee apologising and offering full refund if not happy

Thurs 17th AM MS rang Mrs Paulo Bee to follow up his email from last night and personally apologise if she felt misled and repeated offer of a full refund. Mrs Paulo Bee happy to go with package, but let her know of Legend when known.

Thurs 17th AM Peter Gelson confirms ok, John Hollins confirms ok, Jamie Bates is a no, Bob Booker is a no

Thurs 17th PM MS emails Mrs Paulo Bee with names of those appearing
 
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It's like watching CSI!
 

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It's like watching CSI!

Agreed and I'm sure you don't think that I enjoy spending my time on this stuff. However Paulo Bee claimed that the way it had been handled was 'a disgrace'. I believed that needed following up and if we had let Mrs Paulo Bee and ourselves down then we needed to do something for her and Paulo Bee to make up for it. That Terry Evans wouldn't be there was not thrown in at the end of an email........it was advised in the third sentence and Mrs Paulo Bee was offered a full refund if she didn't wish to proceed. The Club sent by my count seven emails. I realise that I will be accused of suppressing 'constructive criticism' but I promised to take a look and report back which I have done..
 

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Good work abee :sorted:

looking forward to Paulo Bee's reply :bound:

ps Mods can we have an "eating popcorn" smiley , like all the other cool forums :thetruth:
 

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Good work abee :sorted:

looking forward to Paulo Bee's reply :bound:

ps Mods can we have an "eating popcorn" smiley , like all the other cool forums :thetruth:

I'd prefer to close it out but be clear Mrs Paulo Bee was offered a full refund in an email sent at 10.22pm on Wednesday evening and therefore well before Paulo Bee started the thread.
 

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Ask him about the penalty against Aldershot, and which bus stop on the Ealing Road the ball was found by! Or about the couple of goals he scored from 60 yards out!

It wasn't at the ealing Road end it was at the Oak end. I know this cos I cried at the top of the Oak when he missed it!!!! We're in hospitality at the ground on Sat. I hope I'm lucky enough to meet the great man. I also saw both Gelson & Evans and I'm with West Wilts & Bill Benn. Gelson was the best centre half this club has ever had in my 47 years following the Bees. A total legend
 
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It wasn't at the ealing Road end it was at the Oak end. I know this cos I cried at the top of the Oak when he missed it!!!! We're in hospitality at the ground on Sat. I hope I'm lucky enough to meet the great man. I also saw both Gelson & Evans and I'm with West Wilts & Bill Benn. Gelson was the best centre half this club has ever had in my 47 years following the Bees. A total legend

I think we have had this correspondence before! it is really weird as my mental picture (obviously wrong) has a clear memory of it being at the other end. PG came to the launch of the BBB of the 70s and he was wonderful company. You are in for a treat tomorrow.
 

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I'm trying to be polite here to the oldies...:D;), Paulo is a young man who has entered the world of fatherhood, probably had a few sleepless nights with all the mayhem that is thrown in with it all. He's from an era where Big Tel was as close to a hero as one could have hoped for, I know as it was also a big era for me. No disrespect to Mr Gelson but I know him by name only and although it wasn't the club's fault, I'd be pretty pissed off if my day with Big Tel had become a day with John Hollins and Peter Gelson.
I feel and understand his frustration, one of the old codgers up here who travels to games always bangs on about Gerry Cakebread, we allow him this pleasure but it means nothing to me , oh Vienna.
Oh come on NB you are not that young:bound:peter will be great for Paulo to talk to and I bet next week he will be on here telling us what a good bloke he was to have lunch with.:wave:
 

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As promised I investigated this and I now have copies of all of the emails and details of the telecons between your wife and Mike Sullivan who handled on behalf of the Club. The sequence seems to be this :

Monday 14th Mrs Paulo Bee emailed the Club for details

Monday 14th MS replied back with details

Tuesday 15th PM Mrs Paulo Bee received from MS the details of the package inc Terry Evans coming along (this was true at the time)

Wed 16th AM Peter Gilham informed MS Terry Evans had cancelled. Over the a period of 24 hours, MS then contacted and spoke to Bob Booker, Jamie Bates and Peter Gelson about stepping in. None could confirm they could make it, but would let MS know. MS then spoke to John Hollins, a personal friend to see if he would step in, making sure that we definetly had at least one footballing legend at the Restaurant.

Wed 16th PM MS spoke to Mrs Paulo Bee and took payment and booking, and sent email with details

Wed 16th PM Email received from Mrs Paulo Bee very disappointed about no Terry Evans

Wed 16th PM (approx 10.00pm in evening) MS sent email to Mrs Paulo Bee apologising and offering full refund if not happy

Thurs 17th AM MS rang Mrs Paulo Bee to follow up his email from last night and personally apologise if she felt misled and repeated offer of a full refund. Mrs Paulo Bee happy to go with package, but let her know of Legend when known.

Thurs 17th AM Peter Gelson confirms ok, John Hollins confirms ok, Jamie Bates is a no, Bob Booker is a no

Thurs 17th PM MS emails Mrs Paulo Bee with names of those appearing

That's disgusting abee - Paulo is right out of order as is his missus - I'll be having words with him tomorrow.

I'll offer to take her out for dinner to compensate whilst Paulo spends some Dad time with the nipper....
 

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MS certainly seems to have tried his best in to rectify what I call a 'sh*tuation'.
Bates and Booker were good efforts and Gelson is quite clearly deserving of 'legend' status to those who saw him play/know of him.
However...
MS then spoke to John Hollins, a personal friend to see if he would step in, making sure that we definetly had at least one footballing legend at the Restaurant.
No disrespect to the former Chelsea and QPR (among others) footballer but I think the above quote is a rather loose use of the term in bold!
 

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I think we have had this correspondence before! it is really weird as my mental picture (obviously wrong) has a clear memory of it being at the other end. PG came to the launch of the BBB of the 70s and he was wonderful company. You are in for a treat tomorrow.

If I get to meet him, I'll ask him. Mind you, it might be one that he has tried to forget over the years:D
 

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I agree. The point is surely that he is a replacement & full marks to him for stepping in. It would be difficult to get someone who is more of a legend at such short notice imo.

Believe me, Brooks was superb as was Mel Scott. But PG was also integral to 'that' team. I would love to meet Crozier, James, Dave McCulloch etc. & having read a bit of Lawton's biography, it would be interesting to hear him talk about BFC who are fondly referenced in his book. All before my time but I would still value the experience of meeting them if it were possible.

The cluub were in a difficult position and I think did well to get Peter Gelson - a true legend, aat such short notice, but I can also understand the disappintmment as football is all about the passion of identifying with heroes and if you were brought up on the 92 team you want to meet Evans, Smillie, Benno, Deano etc and it is understandable if you are disappointed
 

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I've been talking to a really nice guy called Michael Ball who played for the Bees during the 60's, he says that Gelson was a great player but the best he played with was Johnny Brooks.

hello dermot,
I played with Richie Rainford and Ian Higginson when we were all playing for Hounslow Town Youth and both their Dads played with Jonny Brooks. My Dad also saw him play and one conversation between the three fathers concluded that he was upto that point circa 1982 Brentford's Best Ever Player which when you think about it is some tribute.
Apparently a lovely man as well.
PS Any vets games?
 

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I've been talking to a really nice guy called Michael Ball who played for the Bees during the 60's, he says that Gelson was a great player but the best he played with was Johnny Brooks.

Blimey ,Micky Ball,he always seemed to score loads of goals for the reserves (I think he was a winger remember him wearing the no.7 shirt).
I believe he remained an amateur or semi-professional?.
 

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Having just received my 'lunch with Gelson' email from the club... I gotta say it does seem good value for fans of that era. Shame for Mr + Mrs Paulo, but might attract others.
 
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I'd prefer to close it out but be clear Mrs Paulo Bee was offered a full refund in an email sent at 10.22pm on Wednesday evening and therefore well before Paulo Bee started the thread.

Here we go! My apologies with regards to posting in the morning yesterday after we recived an email the night before. However we have a 3 week old son so were not checking emails at 10.22pm. I then left to go to work in the morning at 7.30am, sadly between 10.22pm and 7.30am she had still not checked her emails. I then posted my original comment and then followed up after I had spoke to her around lunch time with more facts. I beleive once all the facts had become clear the matter to me was closed. Maybe I over reacted orignally but to me it was disgracefull at the time that the club was advertising something and even speaking to people who had not booked but not informing them. If you can't understand that then again I'm sorry.

Please read my whole comment below as it seems you only decided to read the first sentence. Please take note that I said I was actually looking forward to it and hoping for a good experience and the fact I appreciate this was out of the clubs hands.

To me it was disgraceful that we she was not informed with regards to Terry Evans cancelling. I apprceciate that this was out of the clubs hands and I hadn't realised that Terry Evans had only cancelled on Tuesday when I first posted. Although the facts have become clearer since posting, never the less Terry Evans would have been a big pull on numbers more so than many other "legends".

My wife had simply contacted the the club as she had received no correspondance other than an email confirmaiton at the time of booking. She rang as she watnted to ensure turning up with the orginal email confirmaiton was enough. At no point during her 2 telephone conversations was she informed he had cancelled and it was only a comment at the bottom of the email sent yesterday that meant she found out about Terry Evans not being there. She then informed me about what was going as she was worried that we would turn up and there would be non-one. Mainly she she wanted to see if we would still be interested in going or if she should ask for a refund.

The main point of worry is that if we had not had contact with the club yesterday would we have found out at all, or would we have turned up Saturday to find Peter Gelson and someone who has no connection to Brentford Football Club there instead of Terry Evans. Has the club contacted everyone attending Saturday on Tuesday to let them know that Terry Evans will not be in attenedance?

In my eyes as Peter Gelson compared to Terry Evans is not a patch as I didn't start attenidng until 1983... However for my Dad this is dfiferent. John Hollins though? Perhaps you can clear that one up.

We are both still going Saturday as its the gesture and it will infact it will still be a surprise for my Dad. I am looking forward to something a bit different and hopefully a good experience.
 

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That's disgusting abee - Paulo is right out of order as is his missus - I'll be having words with him tomorrow.

I suggest that we drop it now and all learn a lesson that there are always two sides to every story. Paulo Bee as we know keeps a professional eye on the commercial activities of the Club which is good and no problems with that but having seen all of the email exchanges between the Club and Mrs Paulo Bee and the notes of the telephone conversations then I do not believe that the commercial staff acted unprofessionally in their contacts with Mrs Paulo Bee.
 

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I suggest that we drop it now and all learn a lesson that there are always two sides to every story. Paulo Bee as we know keeps a professional eye on the commercial activities of the Club which is good and no problems with that but having seen all of the email exchanges between the Club and Mrs Paulo Bee and the notes of the telephone conversations then I do not believe that the commercial staff acted unprofessionally in their contacts with Mrs Paulo Bee.

I was joking... as I was about taking Paulo's missus out. Have you seen the size of him?!
 

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Here we go! My apologies with regards to posting in the morning yesterday after we recived an email the night before. However we have a 3 week old son so were not checking emails at 10.22pm. I then left to go to work in the morning at 7.30am, sadly between 10.22pm and 7.30am she had still not checked her emails. I then posted my original comment and then followed up after I had spoke to her around lunch time with more facts. I beleive once all the facts had become clear the matter to me was closed. Maybe I over reacted orignally but to me it was disgracefull at the time that the club was advertising something and even speaking to people who had not booked but not informing them. If you can't understand that then again I'm sorry.

Please read my whole comment below as it seems you only decided to read the first sentence. Please take note that I said I was actually looking forward to it and hoping for a good experience and the fact I appreciate this was out of the clubs hands.

No problem between you and me Paulo Bee. I read the post that started this thread and I followed it up and reported as promised. If the circumstances had been as you first described then at the very least I would have got Mrs Paulo Bee her monies back given that Terry Evans had dropped out and that would have been the least that I could have done. I do read the GPG and if there are comments suggesting that the Club could have done better in handling various matters then the staff at GP will tell you that their hearts sink when I come on the phone asking for an explanation for this or a report on that. I am a great believer in 'management by wandering about' and as far as BFC is concerned my 'wandering about' very much includes reading and learning from the GPG.

I very much hope that you all enjoy the day tomorrow and that we are agreed that having learned on Wednesday morning that Terry Evans was dropping out the commercial department has done everything it could to find a suitable replacement and also offering refunds where supporters no longer wished to attend if Terry Evans wasn't to be there.
 

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I was joking... as I was about taking Paulo's missus out. Have you seen the size of him?!

No......... but having been obliged to slap Terry Evans around more than once in the past I'm not scared of Paulo Bee.
 

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Johnny Brooks was probably the best footballer I've seen in my Bees experience. Peter Gelson was, as has been noted, the most wholehearted player I've seen; gave everything and you certainly wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one of his tackles. It was a man's game when he was playing!

I could have written that! Johnny Brooks definitely "The Greatest" and Peter Gelson was certainly a player you wouldn't want to play against. I just hope he doesn't read some of the postings on here.
 

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Here we go! My apologies with regards to posting in the morning yesterday after we recived an email the night before. However we have a 3 week old son so were not checking emails at 10.22pm. I then left to go to work in the morning at 7.30am, sadly between 10.22pm and 7.30am she had still not checked her emails. I then posted my original comment and then followed up after I had spoke to her around lunch time with more facts. I beleive once all the facts had become clear the matter to me was closed. Maybe I over reacted orignally but to me it was disgracefull at the time that the club was advertising something and even speaking to people who had not booked but not informing them. If you can't understand that then again I'm sorry.

Please read my whole comment below as it seems you only decided to read the first sentence. Please take note that I said I was actually looking forward to it and hoping for a good experience and the fact I appreciate this was out of the clubs hands.

Forget all this nonsense, are you in the Directors facilities tomorrow, because your uncle is. ;)
 

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Forget all this nonsense, are you in the Directors facilities tomorrow, because your uncle is. ;)

You'll be meeting Terry Evans then. He dropped out of the restaurant thingy when he saw the guest list. :):)
 

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You'll be meeting Terry Evans then. He dropped out of the restaurant thingy when he saw the guest list. :):)

:D:sorted:

All I can say about Terry as well as Millen and Bates is that they turned up at my old football clubs end of season dinner the day after Tranmere play off, when I could understand why they may not want to necessarily be there. :sorted:
 

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Having read abee's very detailed report on the matter, is this a man we should be allowing to depart from the BFC Board ???

Can someone please put a poll up - 2 simple answers only

Should BFC Supporters / GPG Readers allow abee to leave the BFC Board

YES

NO

Once we have the 100% NO result we can then use that result to put pressure on abee to stay (Please) :) :)
 

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Ask him about the penalty against Aldershot, and which bus stop on the Ealing Road the ball was found by! Or about the couple of goals he scored from 60 yards out!

You sure you got that right NLB. That penalty was taken at the Royal oak end.It probably ended up at Brentford Central. I was fuming at Peter then. Not long after that miss Aldershot went up the other end and scored, they won the game 4-2. Aldershot always played well at GP. and I think I can remember reading that Peter found Jack Howarth their cf a real handfull. Gelson was a class above Brentford, and his loyalty to the club was first class.
 

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The cluub were in a difficult position and I think did well to get Peter Gelson - a true legend, aat such short notice, but I can also understand the disappintmment as football is all about the passion of identifying with heroes and if you were brought up on the 92 team you want to meet Evans, Smillie, Benno, Deano etc and it is understandable if you are disappointed

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You sure you got that right NLB. That penalty was taken at the Royal oak end.It probably ended up at Brentford Central. I was fuming at Peter then. Not long after that miss Aldershot went up the other end and scored, they won the game 4-2. Aldershot always played well at GP. and I think I can remember reading that Peter found Jack Howarth their cf a real handfull. Gelson was a class above Brentford, and his loyalty to the club was first class.

As I said it sounds like my memory is playing tricks - it WAS over 40 years ago! And I was very young!!

I do remember a game I think in 70/1 when bloody Howarth scored a hat trick of headers and we lost 3-2 at home.
 
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