Man Utd POSTPONED!

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....yep.... understand that....will give Man U time to consider and reorganise what formation they play with too....given they possibly will be missing key players....job done then.... all's well eh.

Personally I do think the request and call was made for the right reasons and dealt with appropriately...however from a selfish point of view I strongly believe we'd have beat Man Utd tonight without their outbreak.

As it is they'll have months with their coaching team by the time we play them possibly twice in April so yeah they will I guess....... But we move onto Southampton 🙂
 
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What gets me is, they have maybe 3 or 4 first teamers out through covid and that's enough to cancel a game, but our most recent game we had 2 out with covid and a further 7 out through injury and/or suspension. We had to continue with 9 first teamers out.
Totally understand, but it would appear that it's not the number unavailable that is leading this, AFAIK there hasn't been a number placed on it - which is unusual when other sides have said we have x/y/z affected.

There must be other factors that come into the decision making that us mere mortals will not be party to. Some, understandably could be confidential but it does bring transparency into question.

PL statement is that "the decision was taken following guidance from medical advisers due to the exceptional circumstances of an ongoing COVID-19 outbreak within Manchester United’s squad." Those exceptional circumstances will not be disclosed.
 

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Tend to agree.
Lots of arguments can and have been offered on either side.
One that hasn’t is that arguably the ST holder sells the seat for a match on that particular date as it is the date that he/she can’t make due to illness, work commitments etc rather than a choice against watching the match against these particular opponents.
That’s not really relevant though. If it were then a ST who put their ticket up on the exchange and then without the game being rescheduled found they were after all able to make it because the reasons for thinking they couldn’t make it had changed would be able to take the ticket back off whoever it was sold to. Nobody would ever buy a ticket off the exchange without it being heavily discounted to reflect an unquantifiable risk that the original STH might for any reason or none choose to take it back. Imagine how long a thread of GPG complaints there’d be if a thousand members who’d paid full whack for a ticket from the club (not one of Banana’s Bad Men) were told to give it back.

I gave my Man U ticket to a friend. I think I’d be being bloody rude if I insisted on having it back now the game will be rescheduled.
 

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The thing that really hacks me off is the widespread repetition of Man U’s propaganda that they had to close their Carrington training ground. They didn’t. They “closed their first-team operations” at the club's training ground, i.e. they told their first team players not to turn up and then briefed the media that they expected the game to be called off as a result. The facilities remained open all day and were happily used by other Man U teams. The power of the media ££, eh?
 

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I think you know the point I was making.
A slightly mean spirited one to someone you know hasn’t been following the club for as long.
 

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Personally I do think the request and call was made for the right reasons and dealt with appropriately...however from a selfish point of view I strongly believe we'd have beat Man Utd tonight without their outbreak.

As it is they'll have months with their coaching team by the time we play them possibly twice in April so yeah they will I guess....... But we move onto Southampton 🙂
.....my thinking too...but although I'm nearly done with this whole thing now...I probably will be having a sneaky peek at their line up at weekend.
 

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Inaccurate and biased reporting of this postponement on BBC Breakfast (from Salford) this morning "Manchester United's game tonight has been called off...". It is of course Brentford's game which has been called off 🐝🐝😜
 
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I’m not massively upset really. It will be better to have a proper footballing build up to the game rather than all the talk about covid and not training. It’ll also be good to have our first choice centre backs , and forward line (and maybe even a right back)!

I live locally though. I feel for fans who had to travel and book hotels.

I know it’s not our fault, but I hope we still pay casual matchday staff
 

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Gutted. 35 years been waiting to play Man U (before anyone says it, no, I don't support them, I enjoyed watching them in Europe during the Fergie years0 and I was looking forward to us putting 4 past them and getting the 3 points!!!

I am UNASHAMEDLY a CR7 fan, the most impactful player imo, wherever he's played, of the modern era.

But what I look forward to the most is seeing our heroes in red and white playing, often out of position due to a depleted squad, and doing so bloody brilliantly.

Onto Southampton.
CR7?
 

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The thing that really hacks me off is the widespread repetition of Man U’s propaganda that they had to close their Carrington training ground. They didn’t. They “closed their first-team operations” at the club's training ground, i.e. they told their first team players not to turn up and then briefed the media that they expected the game to be called off as a result. The facilities remained open all day and were happily used by other Man U teams. The power of the media ££, eh?

These training grounds are like mini towns though mate. The first team training ground is just that, with different buildings, different car parks/pitches. The area where the first team training ground is had to be closed, but the other areas used are far removed and in a completly different building/area. I do get your point though as it's the same site but what is on that site is different facilities.
 

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These training grounds are like mini towns though mate. The first team training ground is just that, with different buildings, different car parks and when onto the site different road to the relevant pitches/buildings. The area where the first team training ground is had to be closed, but the other areas used are far removed and in a completly different building/area. I do get your point though as it's the same site but what is on that site is different facilities.
Shamrock do you represent Man United and the F1 authorities?
 

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The whole thing is more fishy than a pile of gannet's poo tbh and a massive anti-climax, particularly as I can't now go Saturday.

But on the bright side it does give us more time to get injured players fit!
 

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I'm going to hazard a guess that our actual match day thread v Man U (when it actually happens) will be half as long as the thread discussing whether the game is on or not...
 

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Tend to agree.
Lots of arguments can and have been offered on either side.
One that hasn’t is that arguably the ST holder sells the seat for a match on that particular date as it is the date that he/she can’t make due to illness, work commitments etc rather than a choice against watching the match against these particular opponents.

Irrespective of the morals of the arguement, if they don't return the ticket to the ST holder it will result in fewer tickets on the exchange in future, meaning less opportunity for non ST holders to get tickets and more empty seats at games.
 

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That’s not really relevant though. If it were then a ST who put their ticket up on the exchange and then without the game being rescheduled found they were after all able to make it because the reasons for thinking they couldn’t make it had changed would be able to take the ticket back off whoever it was sold to. Nobody would ever buy a ticket off the exchange without it being heavily discounted to reflect an unquantifiable risk that the original STH might for any reason or none choose to take it back. Imagine how long a thread of GPG complaints there’d be if a thousand members who’d paid full whack for a ticket from the club (not one of Banana’s Bad Men) were told to give it back.

I gave my Man U ticket to a friend. I think I’d be being bloody rude if I insisted on having it back now the game will be rescheduled.
....as a member who has two tickets for this game....think you'll find I'll be using them for rescheduled fixture....I dare anyone on here....or BFC....to tell me....or more to the point ...my son..... otherwise.
 
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Slightly yes, but also helping the young man develop some self awareness and sensitivity to reading the room.
I’d cut him a bit of slack given he’s not a native speaker of English and after rightly getting an absolute roasting for spectacularly failing to read the room in his first post looking for tickets has shown that he is a Bee, has come to games for a few years and enjoys it enough to evangelise us to his mates. And hasn’t given up on club or gpg because of the criticism.
 

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Feeling absolutely sh*t today so would have probably had to swerve tonight. Bit of a result for me :thumbs:
 

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At least we now know that if we again get a few covid cases we can just force the Premier Leagues hand by closing down the training ground and cancel all our transport to the game. Or is that just a thing the ‘Big 6’ have the power to do...?

If Man United play another game in the next 10 days then they should have to give us the points for this game.
 

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That’s not really relevant though. If it were then a ST who put their ticket up on the exchange and then without the game being rescheduled found they were after all able to make it because the reasons for thinking they couldn’t make it had changed would be able to take the ticket back off whoever it was sold to. Nobody would ever buy a ticket off the exchange without it being heavily discounted to reflect an unquantifiable risk that the original STH might for any reason or none choose to take it back. Imagine how long a thread of GPG complaints there’d be if a thousand members who’d paid full whack for a ticket from the club (not one of Banana’s Bad Men) were told to give it back.

I gave my Man U ticket to a friend. I think I’d be being bloody rude if I insisted on having it back now the game will be rescheduled.
Happy to listen to counter arguments ( I did say ‘arguably’) but don’t tell me it’s not relevant. It’s very relevant, as are several other factors which is why it’s a point of debate.
Changing your mind for the same date is clearly impractical and was not suggested so you’re arguing against a point not made.
As for your second point, as it happens we were due to benefit from a kind GPGer whose son couldn’t make tonight and was therefore letting us have the spare ticket at face value for my daughter no.2. I don’t for a moment expect to use it for the re-arranged fixture, it’s not my ticket it’s his. Your mate might feel the same.
 

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As I said. Man utd would always get their way. But I don't have all the facts so I'm just going to moan as I'm sure that we would have won quite easily with alot of their players being out. On the plus side maybe we will play them later on in the season when they are back to playing crap. COYBs
 

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Understandable postponement. As it transmitted at their training ground all levels of their football now have to isolate after being in contact.
 

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....as a member who has two tickets for this game....think you'll find I'll be using them for rescheduled fixture....I dare anyone on here....or BFC....to tell me....or more to the point ...my son..... otherwise.
Quite!
 

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Can we have a separate thread for all those saying "this has actually worked out great for me" etc where they can all get together and have an orgy about each other's reasons and who's been the most fortunate.
 

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Happy to listen to counter arguments ( I did say ‘arguably’) but don’t tell me it’s not relevant. It’s very relevant, as are several other factors which is why it’s a point of debate.
Changing your mind for the same date is clearly impractical and was not suggested so you’re arguing against a point not made.
As for your second point, as it happens we were due to benefit from a kind GPGer whose son couldn’t make tonight and was therefore letting us have the spare ticket at face value for my daughter no.2. I don’t for a moment expect to use it for the re-arranged fixture, it’s not my ticket it’s his. Your mate might feel the same.
She might- and I’ll be more than happy to take the ticket back if she does but I’d not insist on it, which would be the equivalent of the club cancelling tickets sold on the exchange because the STH wanted it back.
 

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Reading between the lines, it looks like they've had a high number of positive tests, perhaps only a small handful affecting the 1st team, but there's enough of an outbreak at the club to be concerned that continued training and travelling to an away game would cause it to spread much further. On that basis (if true) how can anyone say that's the wrong decision or a conspiracy?

We'll probably also find Utd's game at the weekend goes ahead, on the basis that they've managed to contain the outbreak. Again, it doesn't point to conspiracy or a wrong decision about tonight.

And in all honesty this is a net positive result for us. Likely we'll have Pinnock and Ajer back for the rearranged game (plus Toney as I reckon he was 50/50 at best for tonight). And it removes a fixture from an otherwise congested December when our squad is already looking thin on the ground. We will give a United a proper test whenever we play them...🤷‍♂️
 

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She might- and I’ll be more than happy to take the ticket back if she does but I’d not insist on it, which would be the equivalent of the club cancelling tickets sold on the exchange because the STH wanted it back.
I guess in the end it might depend on whether the situation is covered in the current T&C’s on exchange bought tickets. If it’s not covered I suspect it soon will be !
 

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What, Man United manipulating the football authorities for their own ends you say? Shurely not.....
 

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No problem with the decision but is there any reason the Premier League couldn't have made the call last night? I am now about £150 out of pocket in travel and hotel. I could have cancelled without cost up to 2359hrs last night. Others will be in the same situation (probably worse). I would be interested to know what information the PL received after 11pm last night that affected their decision.
 

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Reading between the lines, it looks like they've had a high number of positive tests, perhaps only a small handful affecting the 1st team, but there's enough of an outbreak at the club to be concerned that continued training and travelling to an away game would cause it to spread much further. On that basis (if true) how can anyone say that's the wrong decision or a conspiracy?

We'll probably also find Utd's game at the weekend goes ahead, on the basis that they've managed to contain the outbreak. Again, it doesn't point to conspiracy or a wrong decision about tonight.

And in all honesty this is a net positive result for us. Likely we'll have Pinnock and Ajer back for the rearranged game (plus Toney as I reckon he was 50/50 at best for tonight). And it removes a fixture from an otherwise congested December when our squad is already looking thin on the ground. We will give a United a proper test whenever we play them...🤷‍♂️

Exactly! That is the reasons why it had to be postponed.
 

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That’s not really relevant though. If it were then a ST who put their ticket up on the exchange and then without the game being rescheduled found they were after all able to make it because the reasons for thinking they couldn’t make it had changed would be able to take the ticket back off whoever it was sold to. Nobody would ever buy a ticket off the exchange without it being heavily discounted to reflect an unquantifiable risk that the original STH might for any reason or none choose to take it back. Imagine how long a thread of GPG complaints there’d be if a thousand members who’d paid full whack for a ticket from the club (not one of Banana’s Bad Men) were told to give it back.

I gave my Man U ticket to a friend. I think I’d be being bloody rude if I insisted on having it back now the game will be rescheduled.
Don’t think you would be rude at all.
 

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It’s the lack of consistency and transparency that upsets me. Why have Manchester United stated how many players have Covid ? There are not any privacy issues in doing so. I thought the guidelines where if you have 13 players you are expected to play the match. I believe the Premier League are probably not strong enough to deal with the bigger clubs, they buckle under pressure. This episode will once again lead to clubs strategically opting out of fixtures. I am finding it frustrating just how many large sporting events seem to be failing in regards to integrity and organisation. We have had the F1 debacle, the Champions League draw cock up and now this. If the larger sports institutions don’t get their act together they will start losing support and ultimately some of their fan base.
 

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It’s the lack of consistency and transparency that upsets me. Why have Manchester United stated how many players have Covid ? There are not any privacy issues in doing so. I thought the guidelines where if you have 13 players you are expected to play the match. I believe the Premier League are probably not strong enough to deal with the bigger clubs, they buckle under pressure. This episode will once again lead to clubs strategically opting out of fixtures. I am finding it frustrating just how many large sporting events seem to be failing in regards to integrity and organisation. We have had the F1 debacle, the Champions League draw cock up and now this. If the larger sports institutions don’t get their act together they will start losing support and ultimately some of their fan base.
Sorry should read ‘haven’’
 

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I have no issues with this being postponed. Covid is just everywhere at the minute. No point taking the risk while there are still major unknowns about omicron.
 

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No problem with the decision but is there any reason the Premier League couldn't have made the call last night? I am now about £150 out of pocket in travel and hotel. I could have cancelled without cost up to 2359hrs last night. Others will be in the same situation (probably worse). I would be interested to know what information the PL received after 11pm last night that affected their decision.
PCR test results.
 

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Does an independent party take these tests in a situation like this? Or are we fully reliant on the club/players answering ‘honestly’?
It's not a multiple choice exam paper!
 

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Does an independent party take these tests in a situation like this? Or are we fully reliant on the club/players answering ‘honestly’?
They are supervised, the same goes for the LFT's
 
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