Man Utd POSTPONED!

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On the plus side if it is postponed.... we can have Pinnock, JDS and a match fit Toney back for the re-arranged game, whilst they will be busy worrying about Champions League knockouts by then. Given most PL postponements will be played in 19/20 April (GW 33), or week commencing 9/10 May (GW36) should even have Raya fit by then.

Yes. I agree its actually not the end of the world AT ALL. December was a tough month for us and just got a bit easier if it is off. IN fact this could be the decision that gets us in to the League Cup Semi final again.
 

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IF the game is off, when is the rescheduled match likely to be? Anyone with an idea?
 

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Hardly affects their preparation for the game though, given that they're due to travel today -- plus it's only being closed for 24 hours.
Oh I know, makes absolutely no difference to our game. Doubt they would've been training much if at all considering they played Saturday evening and have another fixture on the Tuesday. Obviously and rightfully annoyed about this but, it gives us some well earned and much needed rest before Southampton away who will still have to play on Wednesday.
 

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Training ground just shut surely they would of been travelling today and wouldn’t of done much at training ground?

I'd hazard a guess that U23 and youth and other squad players will use it when the first team travel.

If you lost some first teamers, then you go to the U23/youth/squad - who, havent been able to train because the training ground is shut.

And the cycle is complete.
 

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IF the game is off, when is the rescheduled match likely to be? Anyone with an idea?
See my post #197. The favoured dates are in April and May.

Usually many weeks in the spring are ruled out for PL re arrangements due to when UEFA weeks fall (they do not like PL games to be played on the same date and games have even been re-arranged for a Monday night to avoid CL clashes in the past). Whether they will make exceptions due to Covid probably depends on the number of Covid postponements we end up seeing.

Also there are international breaks in January and March
Also there are midweek dates set aside for FA cup 5th round and FA cup replays.

There are other possibilities... if we are not in the league cup semi finals it could be re arranged for one of those weeks.
 

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I think the problem is that most of the players will have been close contacts with those that tested positive but may not have been exposed within enough of a time period to return a positive test themselves. By the time tomorrow night comes around, they could be infectious, particularly with omicron loitering about. It's not ideal but I don't think it's as black and white as checking the number of players that tested positive 1 or 2 days prior to the match.
All of which could mean playing us could cause transmission to some of our players?
 

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A sad aviation geek/clown combo writes… 🤡

JOTA Aviation are contracted by Man Utd to fly their squad this season.

JOTA have rostered their Avro RJ85 aircraft (registration G-JOTR) to fly Manchester- Luton tomorrow morning.

The aircraft is currently at Liverpool airport and is to re-position to Manchester at 1640hrs this afternoon.

If it doesn’t do that, my money is on the game being off.
 

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n a statement, the club said: "Manchester United can confirm that following PCR test confirmation of yesterday's positive LFT Covid-19 cases among the first team staff and players, the decision has been taken to close down first team operations at the Carrington Training Complex for 24 hours, to minimise risk of any further infection.

"Individuals who tested positive are isolating per Premier League protocols.

"Given cancellation of training and disruption to the squad, and with the health of players and staff the priority, the club is in discussion with the Premier League whether it is safe for Tuesday's fixture against Brentford to continue, both from a COVID infection and player preparation perspective."
 

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n a statement, the club said: "Manchester United can confirm that following PCR test confirmation of yesterday's positive LFT Covid-19 cases among the first team staff and players, the decision has been taken to close down first team operations at the Carrington Training Complex for 24 hours, to minimise risk of any further infection.

"Individuals who tested positive are isolating per Premier League protocols.

"Given cancellation of training and disruption to the squad, and with the health of players and staff the priority, the club is in discussion with the Premier League whether it is safe for Tuesday's fixture against Brentford to continue, both from a COVID infection and player preparation perspective."
w***ers
 

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A sad aviation geek/clown combo writes… 🤡

JOTA Aviation are contracted by Man Utd to fly their squad this season.

JOTA have rostered their Avro RJ85 aircraft (registration G-JOTR) to fly Manchester- Luton tomorrow morning.

The aircraft is currently at Liverpool airport and is to re-position to Manchester at 1640hrs this afternoon.

If it doesn’t do that, my money is on the game being off.
Jota at the last minute?
 

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All of which could mean playing us could cause transmission to some of our players?
Indeed. I imagine if a club loses a couple of players to COVID and as a result don't want to play, they'll make an argument that the vast majority were in close contact with those players and it'd make more sense to exercise caution by not playing. Whether that's true or not is anyone's guess....
 

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A sad aviation geek/clown combo writes… 🤡

JOTA Aviation are contracted by Man Utd to fly their squad this season.

JOTA have rostered their Avro RJ85 aircraft (registration G-JOTR) to fly Manchester- Luton tomorrow morning.

The aircraft is currently at Liverpool airport and is to re-position to Manchester at 1640hrs this afternoon.

If it doesn’t do that, my money is on the game being off.
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Not due to leave Manchester until tomorrow morning now...
 

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Well several reasons for me to think postponing might be better:
  • Should have more players back from injury/Covid for the rearranged game
  • 8 days rest ahead of Saints and Toney more time to get back match fit in training
  • No risk of more Covid cases arising from Man Utd players who are not showing as positive yet
 

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Looks like they're running scared 😱
Unclear why it is up to the Premier League to make a judgement as to whether it's "safe" for the game to go ahead? Surely it is only a question for the PL to judge whether they have enough 1st team players available based on their "rules" (which of course don't actually exist, but they must have some idea!)
 

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Man U clearly trying it on probably no more than 4 players positive.

Hey let's shut down the training ground make it look really bad and get our way.

Utter big club PL bull****
 

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Aston Villa seemed to have been able to cope with what sounds like a similar situation. Gerrard confirmed their game v Norwich to go ahead. Obviously, Villa a bit more confident of being able to get a result 🤪
 

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Well several reasons for me to think postponing might be better:
  • Should have more players back from injury/Covid for the rearranged game
  • 8 days rest ahead of Saints and Toney more time to get back match fit in training
  • No risk of more Covid cases arising from Man Utd players who are not showing as positive yet
Yeah easy to get a siege mentality around this...they want it called off so therefore we must want it to go ahead...
If we end up with our next couple of games called off (or more likely forced to play given the precedent....) I'm sure we'll be fuming with at Man U for not taking proper care.
Though actually wouldn't mind playing Brighton away some sunny evening in 2022...
 

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Man U clearly trying it on probably no more than 4 players positive.

Hey let's shut down the training ground make it look really bad and get our way.

Utter big club PL bull****
That was my thought too, if the PL is ruling based on the training ground being open or closed is there a protocol for closing the training ground, I expect not.
 

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Well several reasons for me to think postponing might be better:
  • Should have more players back from injury/Covid for the rearranged game
  • 8 days rest ahead of Saints and Toney more time to get back match fit in training
  • No risk of more Covid cases arising from Man Utd players who are not showing as positive yet
Exactly. I know we're on a high after the Watford game, but let's not forget we're down to the bare bones at the moment, and still have plenty of games to get through in December. I really hope tomorrow goes ahead, but there are plenty of positives if it doesn't.
 

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....think football at all levels is going to be hit hard as a consequence of COVID over next few months..... problems ahead.
 

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Look forward to playing them in April with a Champions League place up for grabs ........... for us, not them, obvs!!! :)
 

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Well several reasons for me to think postponing might be better:
  • Should have more players back from injury/Covid for the rearranged game
  • 8 days rest ahead of Saints and Toney more time to get back match fit in training
  • No risk of more Covid cases arising from Man Utd players who are not showing as positive yet
Let’s not dick around with the schedule. They are running scared.
 

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Unclear why it is up to the Premier League to make a judgement as to whether it's "safe" for the game to go ahead? Surely it is only a question for the PL to judge whether they have enough 1st team players available based on their "rules" (which of course don't actually exist, but they must have some idea!)
It’s thier league of which 18 others are members apart from us and Man U - of course it’s up to them to decide safety.
 

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MUFC clearly trying to force to Premier League's hand here by closing the training ground and refusing to travel until a decision has been made, thereby giving them even more excuses re preparation time.

Unless it's a massive outbreak they should be told to get on with it.

The Premier League will, of course, bend over though.
 

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That was my thought too, if the PL is ruling based on the training ground being open or closed is there a protocol for closing the training ground, I expect not.
Exactly this, it's big club playing with the rules.
 

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We have played with players out, they should too....surly the is a min/ max number out for game not to take place and not because THEY have decided to not train?
 

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I still personally do not get the reason to postpone. Everyone who went to Norwich is available according to reports, and the players stayed away from the training ground since and will be tested. Obviously they're looking to postpone given they haven't been able to train as much, but that's not a valid reason for cancelling IMO.
 

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In order to assess safety, surely Man U have to provide evidence to demonstrate that after a lateral flow test, their players might still infect ours?
I cannot believe it's anything to do with safety, it's because they have key players out. Therefore, the PL had better tread carefully, as it will set a precedent, and any attempt to manoeuvre around their rules will mean that other clubs will flout the rules at a later stage to suit themselves also.
 

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If it is called off, surely give 24h notice for travelling fans
 

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Exactly this, it's big club playing with the rules.
No one knows the facts yet .
People on here would be up in arms if they didn't shut the training ground with positive cases.
Surely they would want to play us with all our missing players
 

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Never thought I see the day when Manchester United get the Brentford flu!!
 

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thanks all for info


Some time
In late April or early May

Could be EFL Cup Semi week in early January.....Dpending on QF results

See my post #197. The favoured dates are in April and May.

Usually many weeks in the spring are ruled out for PL re arrangements due to when UEFA weeks fall (they do not like PL games to be played on the same date and games have even been re-arranged for a Monday night to avoid CL clashes in the past). Whether they will make exceptions due to Covid probably depends on the number of Covid postponements we end up seeing.

Also there are international breaks in January and March
Also there are midweek dates set aside for FA cup 5th round and FA cup replays.

There are other possibilities... if we are not in the league cup semi finals it could be re arranged for one of those weeks.
 
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