Managerial Moves 2020/21

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Lampard going to Bournemouth would be a disaster for him. He’s much better off taking on an England coaching role IMO. Would like him to have the 21s instead of Boothroyd.
Has Lampard got all his badges now? If not he should take a leaf out of John Terry's book and learn the trade under an experienced manager before stepping back in.
 

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4000 regular no way ! Overall hardly anyone goes to see women's football unless it's a freebee....
Yes, I live next to the ground.

It does depend on who they are playing, Reading they might get 2,000 but Man City 5k+
 

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Didn't think Kingsmeadow had a capacity of 5000
About 5k max, was reduced when Wimbledon demolished the Kingston Road terrace
 

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Yes that was the game that 40,000 free tickets were " bought"

And still 16,000 didnt show
 

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Not comparing like for like . It’s different , No different from like a MLS manager moving to the Prem . If we are being honest as well women’s football is not at league one level , It’s come on massively but not there yet .
At the risk of incurring the wrath of women everywhere the standard is decent Sunday league at best, yet alone league one level.
 
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I see in Tinsdale post match he’s having a gripe, we had a number of under 23’s playing.

He should come here and see how it’s done, almost half out team are under 23 and half the bench is teenagers.
NTT20 called him out a week a go he was complaining he had a bunch of kids in the team. They went through it and though a lot of the players were young, some of them had over 200 appearances including many in the PL! Included Mepham who had over 100 games.

Makes you think it was the right thing to to do to ditch him when he starts making unjustified excuses like that.
 
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NTT20 called him out a week a go he was complaining he had a bunch of kids in the team. They went through it and though a lot of the players were young, some of them had over 200 appearances including many in the PL! Included Mepham who had over 100 games.

Makes you think it was the right thing to to do to ditch him when he starts making unjustified excuses like that.
Dunno enough about him myself to comment on his excuses etc

But I also think the Board are in need of excuses. They stated that he was sacked because he had "failed to live up to expectations". But what exactly were their expectations?

As the end of a playing career spent almost exclusively at Bournemouth, he had a year as Player-Manager at Weymouth, where he got binned for poor results. He then spent over a decade coaching back at Bournemouth (with a brief spell in the middle assisting Sean Dyche at Burnley).

So they knew he was v.inexperienced; they also knew/should have known all about his qualifications; and he was taking over from a club legend. Yet the minute he had a bad run, they sacked him. Which means it was either a blip, in which case he deserved more time. Or it reflected that he wasn't up to the job in the first place, in which case they should never have appointed him.

Compare that lack of planning with Bees, where each time a Head Coach left, we had a ready made replacement either at the club, or lined up. And on the one occasion we got it wrong (Marinus), we held our hand up straightaway and put it right.

Indeed, I'd be very confident that the club already a succession plan for if/when Thomas leaves.
 
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In many respects it is not easy to compare men and women's football but I would say women's football at the WSL level is way way above Sunday league. Whether League one is a step up or step down I guess is a matter of opinion and probably some heated debate.

Overall though I don't think Emma Haye's comments are particularly helpful for promoting the cause ( if indeed there even is one) of getting women into mens football in a managerial/ coaching capacity. Her inference that anything other than parity between the WSL and PL is discrimination is wide of the mark.
 
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In many respects it is not easy to compare men and women's football but I would say women's football at the WSL level is way way above Sunday league. Whether League one is a step up or step down I guess is a matter of opinion and probably some heated debate.
This.

Overall though I don't think Emma Haye's comments are particularly helpful for promoting the cause ( if indeed there even is one) of getting women into mens football in a managerial/ coaching capacity. Her inference that anything other than parity between the WSL and PL is discrimination is wide of the mark.
Having listened to her at the Press Conference, her two main points which stood out for me were (a ) she was never actually approached by AFCW; and (b ) she felt it insulting to assume that someone at a leading womens club would automatically jump at the chance to manage a mens club struggling in the 3rd tier.

And although she didn't elaborate, nothing I heard would preclude her from being interested in a job at a higher/bigger mens club.
 

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He had previously indicated that he was going to leave at the end of the season anyhow; the Ntcham signing caused him to walk away now.
I know AVB resigned in the summer.
Was persuaded back then resigned last week, and again the other day.
The new signing is possibly just an excuse a his contract ends in June anyway.
 

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Have you ever actually been to a womens' match? I have, and as someone who also played Sunday League, imo you're way off the mark.

A long way.
Yes I have.

The skill level is above Sunday league, but they couldn’t live physically with a well drilled decent Sunday league side.
 
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Yes I have.

The skill level is above Sunday league, but they couldn’t live physically with a well drilled decent Sunday league side.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that, but in any case , it's totally irrelevant to the question as to whether Emma Hayes (or any other female coach) could coach a mens team, since coaches don't have to do any running around themselves.

I mean, as an amateur footballer in Denmark, Thomas Frank may never have played at a much higher level than Sunday League, neither did he coach at a level above youth football, but it didn't disqualify him from becoming a top coach.
 

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I dont think any woman should logically be any worse a manager than a man

Buy I'd back a league 2 side to beat womens world champions in any match, mainly due to strength and power


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We'll have to agree to disagree on that, but in any case , it's totally irrelevant to the question as to whether Emma Hayes (or any other female coach) could coach a mens team, since coaches don't have to do any running around themselves.

I mean, as an amateur footballer in Denmark, Thomas Frank may never have played at a much higher level than Sunday League, neither did he coach at a level above youth football, but it didn't disqualify him from becoming a top coach.
There is no reason why she couldn’t do a better job as a coach than a man. It was her idea that league one was a step down from her current role that it is ridiculous.
 

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So...to keep this off topic. Where does the top level women's football rank to the mens game then? I have wondered that but I don't know enough about the subject.

Women's football could become as good as the mens one in time, but the investment and youth development is no where near. I think in the long run the quality will greatly improve but it's just slow steps at the moment.
 

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One of the biggest areas of the female game that is poor is Goalkeeping and heading , needs a lot of work .
I seem to remember during the Womens World Cup how refreshing it was not seeing them rolling around on the floor, or falling down at the merest glance. Something the Mens game is far behind them on
 

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I seem to remember during the Womens World Cup how refreshing it was not seeing them rolling around on the floor, or falling down at the merest glance. Something the Mens game is far behind them on
Or the women’s game hasn’t yet caught up with.

Works both ways......
 

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I seem to remember during the Womens World Cup how refreshing it was not seeing them rolling around on the floor, or falling down at the merest glance. Something the Mens game is far behind them on
Or threatening to walk off when decisions didn’t go their way......... Hold on ....
 

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If you pitted a men’s L1 team against a top women’s team the men would almost always win through greater power and pace. It would say nothing about whether managing and coaching the men’s team was a tougher or better job.

The skill level at the top of the women’s game is high and the work on diet, performance etc at that level will also be high. Coaching is a skill separate from playing and there are scores of excellent players who have made poor, witless managers, as well as many players who were far off the elite who have been great managers. So many of both that we’ve had at least one of each.

It might well be more of a challenge to manage a mediocre men’s squad successfully than an elite women’s squad. Just as running an inner city sink secondary would be more challenging in many ways than being Head of Cheltenham Ladies College. Would going from Cheltenham Ladies to do that be a step up? Or just a different set of challenges lower down a different system which someone might be keen to do but be offended at being thought of as going up in their career, as if what they were doing now wasn’t worth much.
 

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John Terry is as an ideal candidate to become the next Bournemouth manager, according to former Cherries boss Harry Redknapp.

Yes please at least he didn’t put Frank Lampard forward . I doubt Bournemouth will go for Terry, Bournemouth will want some experience
 

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Dunno enough about him myself to comment on his excuses etc

But I also think the Board are in need of excuses. They stated that he was sacked because he had "failed to live up to expectations". But what exactly were their expectations?

As the end of a playing career spent almost exclusively at Bournemouth, he had a year as Player-Manager at Weymouth, where he got binned for poor results. He then spent over a decade coaching back at Bournemouth (with a brief spell in the middle assisting Sean Dyche at Burnley).

So they knew he was v.inexperienced; they also knew/should have known all about his qualifications; and he was taking over from a club legend. Yet the minute he had a bad run, they sacked him. Which means it was either a blip, in which case he deserved more time. Or it reflected that he wasn't up to the job in the first place, in which case they should never have appointed him.

Compare that lack of planning with Bees, where each time a Head Coach left, we had a ready made replacement either at the club, or lined up. And on the one occasion we got it wrong (Marinus), we held our hand up straightaway and put it right.

Indeed, I'd be very confident that the club already a succession plan for if/when Thomas leaves.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Unless they expected an inexperienced manager to get them cemented in the top two, I don't know what they were thinking when they appointed.
 

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Have to say (without evidence) I always thought Tindall was a mistake - there's something a bit too 'Poole Marina, ankle bracelet and thong' about him, for my liking.
 

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Have to say (without evidence) I always thought Tindall was a mistake - there's something a bit too 'Poole Marina, ankle bracelet and thong' about him, for my liking.
Strange how they’ve gone downhill though. I thought they looked good against us
 
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If you pitted a men’s L1 team against a top women’s team the men would almost always win through greater power and pace. It would say nothing about whether managing and coaching the men’s team was a tougher or better job.

The skill level at the top of the women’s game is high and the work on diet, performance etc at that level will also be high. Coaching is a skill separate from playing and there are scores of excellent players who have made poor, witless managers, as well as many players who were far off the elite who have been great managers. So many of both that we’ve had at least one of each.

It might well be more of a challenge to manage a mediocre men’s squad successfully than an elite women’s squad. Just as running an inner city sink secondary would be more challenging in many ways than being Head of Cheltenham Ladies College. Would going from Cheltenham Ladies to do that be a step up? Or just a different set of challenges lower down a different system which someone might be keen to do but be offended at being thought of as going up in their career, as if what they were doing now wasn’t worth much.
Spot on! :sorted:
 

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Even by Karanka's standards they're doing poorly....but no one else can surely really improve them so not sure what else they can do...
 
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