Managerial Moves 2020/21 (17 Viewers)

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Because there wasn't a vacancy at Celtic.
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...i'd be gobsmacked if Lambert ends up at Parkhead.....but i'm all for it of course....#sackthebored.
 

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Palace should be careful as finishing around 15th is acceptable for them every season but relegation clearly not. As the Joker said, Dyche would be a decent shout for them as he would be a continuation of the present model. Eddie Howe would be a risk.
Depends on what the ambitions are. Bit like Brentford saying to its supporter base we are appointing so and so because we want to stay mid table in the Championship, promotion is not for us.
 
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According to today's Daily Mail:

Chris Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss under serious threat after clashes with owner Prince Abdullah over the club's transfer policy and plan for a director of football
  • Chris Wilder is unsure whether he will be Sheffield United manager next season
  • The Blades appear certain for relegation but Wilder is backed by the fanbase
  • Wilder, 53, wants the public support and assurances of owner Prince Abdullah
  • Abdullah wants a director of football to take control of recruitment in future
Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss under serious threat

Every time I read about another club's owner, I say another little prayer of thanks for Mr. Benham.
 

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According to today's Daily Mail:

Chris Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss under serious threat after clashes with owner Prince Abdullah over the club's transfer policy and plan for a director of football
  • Chris Wilder is unsure whether he will be Sheffield United manager next season
  • The Blades appear certain for relegation but Wilder is backed by the fanbase
  • Wilder, 53, wants the public support and assurances of owner Prince Abdullah
  • Abdullah wants a director of football to take control of recruitment in future
Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss under serious threat

Every time I read about another club's owner, I say another little prayer of thanks for Mr. Benham.
Damn right, you'd not find Benham sacking a popular manager over a change of transfer policy.
 

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They’d be mad to sack him. They’ll bounce straight back next year with that squad, plus no one will want any of their players, maybe Egan.
 

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According to today's Daily Mail:

Chris Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss under serious threat after clashes with owner Prince Abdullah over the club's transfer policy and plan for a director of football
  • Chris Wilder is unsure whether he will be Sheffield United manager next season
  • The Blades appear certain for relegation but Wilder is backed by the fanbase
  • Wilder, 53, wants the public support and assurances of owner Prince Abdullah
  • Abdullah wants a director of football to take control of recruitment in future
Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss under serious threat

Every time I read about another club's owner, I say another little prayer of thanks for Mr. Benham.
I'm amazed that there are still top flight clubs that don't have a DoF.
 

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They’d be mad to sack him. They’ll bounce straight back next year with that squad, plus no one will want any of their players, maybe Egan.
Not too sure about that.
 

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They’d be mad to sack him. They’ll bounce straight back next year with that squad, plus no one will want any of their players, maybe Egan.
They are currently a product of Wilder's creation, no stand-out quality players but a team that all play the way he wants in the way he wants them to that've suffered from injuries and a thin squad in an attritional season. I'm not sure they've got the qualities to recover from relegation. A new owner will, almost certainly, want to change direction, not put money into perpetuating the same old ways.
 

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Jewell AXED at Oldham.
Patchy results and 16th in League 2.

Perfect job for Keith Hill, if he can be prised from Barnsley.
 

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They are currently a product of Wilder's creation, no stand-out quality players but a team that all play the way he wants in the way he wants them to that've suffered from injuries and a thin squad in an attritional season. I'm not sure they've got the qualities to recover from relegation. A new owner will, almost certainly, want to change direction, not put money into perpetuating the same old ways.
I see Leeds in the same way. Very much a Biesla team, only a few stand out players..bamford example put him into another team and I don't see him as being as affective.
I think when Bielsa does go it will be very interesting how Leeds do. I'm not knocking them but they've been built on one manager.
 

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I see Leeds in the same way. Very much a Biesla team, only a few stand out players..bamford example put him into another team and I don't see him as being as affective.
I think when Bielsa does go it will be very interesting how Leeds do. I'm not knocking them but they've been built on one manager.
It's an interesting compare and contrast with BFC. You could possibly at this moment add Liverpool and Olympique de Marseille (or even Man U with Sir Alex) to the list of clubs that recruit (often expensively) a manager with a clear vision and talent and build around him, only to fail to understand that real sustainable success can only come from creating an organisation that is itself independent of the individual but to which each individual adds their contribution. Whether you start with the individual and consciously build the organisation or vice-versa is the decision but how many clubs do either.
 

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It's an interesting compare and contrast with BFC. You could possibly at this moment add Liverpool and Olympique de Marseille (or even Man U with Sir Alex) to the list of clubs that recruit (often expensively) a manager with a clear vision and talent and build around him, only to fail to understand that real sustainable success can only come from creating an organisation that is itself independent of the individual but to which each individual adds their contribution. Whether you start with the individual and consciously build the organisation or vice-versa is the decision but how many clubs do either.
You forgot to quote Chelski for bonkers recruitment and operations policies,
world stars De Bruyne and Salah having passed through their revolving doors. At the other end of the scale, I give you Lucas Piazon. The Brazilian was signed in 2012, and had 6/7 loans before leaving permanently for Braga (last window?). Maybe they realised he could soon be due a Testimonial? Piazon made precisely 1 appearance for the blues...
 

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Curle appointed at Coldham. The lower league merry go round obviously in full swing!
 

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Derek McInnes gone from Aberdeen. Has turned down the Bee's & Glasgow Rangers over the year's.
 

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Jewell AXED at Oldham.
Patchy results and 16th in League 2.

Perfect job for Keith Hill, if he can be prised from Barnsley.
You mean Rochdale, surely? And no, I didn't call you Shirley.
 
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You forgot to quote Chelski for bonkers recruitment and operations policies,
Really?

Since Abramovitch took over in summer 2003, here's what they've won:

Premier LeagueRunner-up2003-04
Premier LeagueChampion2004-05
Football League CupWinner2004-05
FA Community ShieldWinner2005
Premier LeagueChampion2005-06
Premier LeagueRunner-up2006-07
Football League CupWinner2006-07
FA CupWinner2006-07
Premier LeagueRunner-up2007-08
Football League CupRunner-up2007-08
UEFA Champions LeagueRunner-up2007-08
FA CupWinner2008-09
FA Community ShieldWinner2009
Premier LeagueChampion2009-10
FA CupWinner2009-10
Premier LeagueRunner-up2010-11
FA CupWinner2011-12
UEFA Champions LeagueWinner2011-12
FIFA Club World CupRunner-up2012
UEFA Europa LeagueWinner2012-13
Football League CupWinner2014-15
Premier LeagueChampion2014-15
Premier LeagueChampion2016-17
FA CupRunner-up2016-17
FA CupWinner2017-18
Football League CupRunner-up2018-19
UEFA Europa LeagueWinner2018-19
UEFA Super CupRunner-up2019
FA CupRunner-up2019-20

And as for their recruitment of loads of players, loaning thenm out to other clubs then selling them, it is a matter of record that they generally make money on this.

Otherwise they wouldn't do it.
 

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You forgot to quote Chelski for bonkers recruitment and operations policies,
world stars De Bruyne and Salah having passed through their revolving doors. At the other end of the scale, I give you Lucas Piazon. The Brazilian was signed in 2012, and had 6/7 loans before leaving permanently for Braga (last window?). Maybe they realised he could soon be due a Testimonial? Piazon made precisely 1 appearance for the blues...
I've just looked him up - quite a sad story really though obviously he has played at a high level throughout, just not much for his actual club until this year, Chelsea.

Lucas Piazon - Wikipedia
 

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Derek McInnes gone from Aberdeen. Has turned down the Bee's & Glasgow Rangers over the year's.
Wasn't he offered the job before Rosler was appointed? He opted for Bristol City in the end and was poor there so lucky for us.
 

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Really?

Since Abramovitch took over in summer 2003, here's what they've won:

Premier LeagueRunner-up2003-04
Premier LeagueChampion2004-05
Football League CupWinner2004-05
FA Community ShieldWinner2005
Premier LeagueChampion2005-06
Premier LeagueRunner-up2006-07
Football League CupWinner2006-07
FA CupWinner2006-07
Premier LeagueRunner-up2007-08
Football League CupRunner-up2007-08
UEFA Champions LeagueRunner-up2007-08
FA CupWinner2008-09
FA Community ShieldWinner2009
Premier LeagueChampion2009-10
FA CupWinner2009-10
Premier LeagueRunner-up2010-11
FA CupWinner2011-12
UEFA Champions LeagueWinner2011-12
FIFA Club World CupRunner-up2012
UEFA Europa LeagueWinner2012-13
Football League CupWinner2014-15
Premier LeagueChampion2014-15
Premier LeagueChampion2016-17
FA CupRunner-up2016-17
FA CupWinner2017-18
Football League CupRunner-up2018-19
UEFA Europa LeagueWinner2018-19
UEFA Super CupRunner-up2019
FA CupRunner-up2019-20

And as for their recruitment of loads of players, loaning thenm out to other clubs then selling them, it is a matter of record that they generally make money on this.

Otherwise they wouldn't do it.
Yeah. It must be awful to be a Chelsea fan trying to keep up with not only who’s who, but where?
My point was really we’ll never know how successful they could have been if they didn’t sack the Manager every year, or sign half a dozen players in every window. Frankie had some initial success playing the kids whilst they had a transfer ban. Mount has come to the fore through that period, but I believe he’s reaped the benefit of good timing and succeeded despite their system, rather than because of it.
Teuchel’s started like a train, but how long will he get if they start losing?
I haven’t looked it up but Chelsea managers are doing well if they get a 2nd and 3rd season.
 

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Wasn't he offered the job before Rosler was appointed? He opted for Bristol City in the end and was poor there so lucky for us.
I'm sure someone knows more, but I heard from One Egg Dave, Derek Mcinnes wife didn't fancy moving south or West London.

Hence he didn't last long at Bristol.
 

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Ryan Giggs continues to step aside from International management with Wales, Robert Page continues in temporary charge. Surely if the role becomes a permanent vacancy Cooper at Swansea would be consideration and disappoint their fans
 

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Ryan Giggs continues to step aside from International management with Wales, Robert Page continues in temporary charge. Surely if the role becomes a permanent vacancy Cooper at Swansea would be consideration and disappoint their fans
Steady on. I have no time for Giggs but that would be a step too far. I'd rather have Coleman back if it comes to it.
 
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My point was really we’ll never know how successful they could have been if they didn’t sack the Manager every year, or sign half a dozen players in every window.
Under Abramovitch, Chelsea have won 18 major trophies in 16 years, including 5 PL titles (Runner-up 4 times) and a CL (also 1 R-U).

I'm pretty sure no other English club can match that in that period.

Which prompts the question, what manager (or two or three managers) would likely have done better?

Ferguson won 14 trophies in his first 16 years at MU, and 15 in his last 16 years.

And the equivalent for Wenger is 7 in his first 16 years and 6 in his final 16 years
 

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Under Abramovitch, Chelsea have won 18 major trophies in 16 years, including 5 PL titles (Runner-up 4 times) and a CL (also 1 R-U).

I'm pretty sure no other English club can match that in that period.

Which prompts the question, what manager (or two or three managers) would likely have done better?

Ferguson won 14 trophies in his first 16 years at MU, and 15 in his last 16 years.

And the equivalent for Wenger is 7 in his first 16 years and 6 in his final 16 years
Are you including The Community Shield (x2) as a major trophy?
 

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Tim Flowers gone from Barnet, after three Months.

They've had ten managers in four years.

Must be time for MA to return there.
 

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Ryan Giggs continues to step aside from International management with Wales, Robert Page continues in temporary charge. Surely if the role becomes a permanent vacancy Cooper at Swansea would be consideration and disappoint their fans
Giggs’s International Management career is starting to repeat his International playing career. You expect him to be there, but a lot of the time he isn’t....
 

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I don’t think even Jesus could save Barnet this season. Although I don’t think there is relegation from the conference this year.
 

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Seems Wilder may have gone from Sheff Utd, current breaking news
 

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I don’t think even Jesus could save Barnet this season. Although I don’t think there is relegation from the conference this year.
Correct

North and South have been voided so no promotion into the National League

Dover have downed tools

Still 29 games left to play

What will they get as a penalty ??

Points deduction ?? No Relegation

Kicked Out ?? Bit harsh in a pandemic
 

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It'll be interesting to see where he goes next. Undoubtedly a superb manager but one who won't fit into the modern structure of many clubs.
A superb manager of a Wilder side but his style of play and, in particular, his blinkered recruitment, was always going to be a severe constraint on progress for the Blades.
 

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