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A superb manager of a Wilder side but his style of play and, in particular, his blinkered recruitment, was always going to be a severe constraint on progress for the Blades.
Five years to buy a decent striker, two with PL money. Instead they faffed about trying to offer ever less money for Maupay and bought dross.
 

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Amazing that Julian Cope wrote a concept album about his tenure at Sheff U 40 years ago.
 

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Wilder and Sheffield United were perfect for each other.

Some say it is a strange time to make a change.

I think it is perfect as everyone knows, include the powers that be it seems, they are going down, so it will give the new manager time to get ready for next season.
 

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Loss of O’Connell has been a big blow for Sheffield United this year coupled with the inability to sign decent strikers. They must have wasted £45m odd in the last two years. The latter is solely the fault of Wilder.
 

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Wilder and Sheffield United were perfect for each other.

Some say it is a strange time to make a change.

I think it is perfect as everyone knows, include the powers that be it seems, they are going down, so it will give the new manager time to get ready for next season.
That's exactly what it is. Gives them time to assess. And it's also a clean break if they are bringing in a DOF. I don't believe Wilder could get them straight back up.
 

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Five years to buy a decent striker, two with PL money. Instead they faffed about trying to offer ever less money for Maupay and bought dross.
Clearly, recruitment has been a big failure. New ownership with the ability to inject cash but they've obviously decided that a proper top-league structure needs to be put into place in order to spend it. Perhaps they'll do a Wolves and create something sustainable but it's clear their future lies without Wilder, so now's as good a time to do it rather than delay.
 

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The players have always played for him, but the loss of O'Connell really did hamper they way they played. They're under performing xG, but even that's now placing them in the bottom three.

Ultimately they weren't a surprise anymore though, teams knew how to set up against them. The lack of quality and loss of the unknown factor just proved too much.

I do like Wilder, but it seems there was a large disagreement with the newish owners on the way forward for the club. A split is probably best for everyone.
 
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A superb manager of a Wilder side but his style of play and, in particular, his blinkered recruitment, was always going to be a severe constraint on progress for the Blades.
Was it "blinkered", or was it force of circumstance?

I mean, he wanted eg Maupay, but clearly wasn't given the money by the Board, so was forced to settle for that useless lump McBurnie.
 
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I think it is perfect as everyone knows, include the powers that be it seems, they are going down, so it will give the new manager time to get ready for next season.
Time is obviously essential, but so is ability, knowledge and experience. And Wilder has demonstrated all those qualities to get Sheff U promoted out of the Championship. Whereas there is always a doubt over any new guy.

Burnley were obviously conscious of that, too, when they stuck by Dyche even after getting relegated, Norwich/Farke look like being another.
 

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Was it "blinkered", or was it force of circumstance?

I mean, he wanted eg Maupay, but clearly wasn't given the money by the Board, so was forced to settle for that useless lump McBurnie.
Did he ever buy a player from outside the English Leagues? Certainly, he and the club did not seem to have any scouting, analysis or recruitment process, it seemed to be random players who did well in their division. I'd guess that's the first thing the new owners are putting in place.
 

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I feel that ‘losing‘ the loanee Henderson is the main reason for their forthcoming relegation. Spending 18M on Ramsdale was not only costly but he lacked confidence
 
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Did he ever buy a player from outside the English Leagues? Certainly, he and the club did not seem to have any scouting, analysis or recruitment process, it seemed to be random players who did well in their division. I'd guess that's the first thing the new owners are putting in place.
Maybe his horizons weren't wide enough.

But if you've only got a limited budget to spend, then you have to make every penny count. And you know what you're getting with home-grown players eg whether they'll settle into English football or not, especially his particular style.

Whereas with foreign players, for every gem you uncover, you're just as likely to get a dud, of whom many have been imported to this country, played a dozen games, and then were shipped out again at a loss, never to be heard of again.
 

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Was it "blinkered", or was it force of circumstance?

I mean, he wanted eg Maupay, but clearly wasn't given the money by the Board, so was forced to settle for that useless lump McBurnie.
They spent pretty much the same on McBurnie as we sold Maupay to Brighton for, and did so 3 days before Maupay’s transfer went through. So he clearly didn’t fancy him that much, even accounting for the possibility that Brighton was Neal’s preference having turned them down previously to join us.
 
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They spent pretty much the same on McBurnie as we sold Maupay to Brighton for
The headline figure, maybe.

But by the time you count wages, add-ons, bonuses, length of contract, installment payments and relegation clauses etc, I'd be astonished if McBurnie's total package was "pretty much the same" as Neal's.

Nor should it have been, since he's clearly not half the player.
 

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Made some poor signings in Mcburnie and Brewster for a combined 45 million odd and relying on a 34 year old Billy Sharp and 32 year old Mcgoldrick had been his undoing
 

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The headline figure, maybe.

But by the time you count wages, add-ons, bonuses, length of contract, installment payments and relegation clauses etc, I'd be astonished if McBurnie's total package was "pretty much the same" as Neal's.

Nor should it have been, since he's clearly not half the player.
Have you any evidence of that at all? Neal’s wages weren’t even ridiculously high as we offered him more to stay. Sheff U’s interest seemed mainly to be some “ITK” bloke on twitter saying they were negotiating to force our hand to sell at £10m. Brighton are hardly safe enough not to need relegation clauses. They could have afforded him but didn’t.
 

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That's exactly what it is. Gives them time to assess. And it's also a clean break if they are bringing in a DOF. I don't believe Wilder could get them straight back up.
Let's not forget what Wilder has achieved for United over the last 4/5 years. This has been his first 'bad' season. To finish 9th in their first season back last year was remarkable. This season has been a blah for them. I think Wilder would have pushed them to be challenging next year in the Championship for sure. He probably didn't have it to take United to the next step after last year and part of that is his own making by focusing only on signing British players, and it worked mostly.

Not related but was speaking to my cousin whom is a massive Wolves fan and they have gone the other way. The club have looked mainly at the Portugal market although the club has some exceptional Portuguese talent, he feels the identity of the club has in a way been lost and he preferred it and loved it when Wolves had Steve Bull and Andy Hutch playing for them. Still remember that 2-2 home draw with Wolves many years ago.
 

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Only Brentford's ability to drive a much harder bargain (buying and selling) than Swnasea's, as demonstrated by their respective records in the transfer market
Ha, fair. Though what they got even as a headline for the very underwhelming mcBurnie suggests they might be better than you think and/or they saw Sheff U coming!
 
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Not related but was speaking to my cousin whom is a massive Wolves fan and they have gone the other way. The club have looked mainly at the Portugal market although the club has some exceptional Portuguese talent, he feels the identity of the club has in a way been lost and he preferred it and loved it when Wolves had Steve Bull and Andy Hutch playing for them. Still remember that 2-2 home draw with Wolves many years ago.
Steve Bull is probably my "Favourite-Ever-Player-From-A-Club-I-Otherwise-Couldn't-Give-A-Stuff-About".

But your cousin has probably forgotten all the dross he and Mutch had to play alongside when Wolves were slumming it in the lower divisions.

Right now, I'd say Wolves' transfer signings are pound-for-pound amongst the best in the country, regardless of where they've acquired them.
 

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Steve Bull is probably my "Favourite-Ever-Player-From-A-Club-I-Otherwise-Couldn't-Give-A-Stuff-About".

But your cousin has probably forgotten all the dross he and Mutch had to play alongside when Wolves were slumming it in the lower divisions.

Right now, I'd say Wolves' transfer signings are pound-for-pound amongst the best in the country, regardless of where they've acquired them.
Steve Bull was a class act and an out and out striker. Still believe he should have played for England more times than he did.

Or regardless how they 'were' acquired? That's another discussion for another day.
 

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Let's not forget what Wilder has achieved for United over the last 4/5 years. This has been his first 'bad' season. To finish 9th in their first season back last year was remarkable. This season has been a blah for them. I think Wilder would have pushed them to be challenging next year in the Championship for sure. He probably didn't have it to take United to the next step after last year and part of that is his own making by focusing only on signing British players, and it worked mostly.

Not related but was speaking to my cousin whom is a massive Wolves fan and they have gone the other way. The club have looked mainly at the Portugal market although the club has some exceptional Portuguese talent, he feels the identity of the club has in a way been lost and he preferred it and loved it when Wolves had Steve Bull and Andy Hutch playing for them. Still remember that 2-2 home draw with Wolves many years ago.
Bull and Mutch were great but 30 years ago, and they didn't get Wolves into to the top flight. Bit of rose tinted glasses there. Teams have worked Wilders tactics out.
 

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Bull and Mutch were great but 30 years ago, and they didn't get Wolves into to the top flight. Bit of rose tinted glasses there. Teams have worked Wilders tactics out.
That was more because of the players around Bull and Match. They were by far the best lower division front pair I have seen. Deane and Agana were the next best pair. I am not sure Wilders tactics have been worked out, seen them quite a bit this year and they have lacked an out and out goalscorer. As I said earlier they also have missed O'Connell. It was similar to us losing Terry Evans first game of the season in our first season back in Division 1. Massive set back.
 

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Steve Bull is probably my "Favourite-Ever-Player-From-A-Club-I-Otherwise-Couldn't-Give-A-Stuff-About".

But your cousin has probably forgotten all the dross he and Mutch had to play alongside when Wolves were slumming it in the lower divisions.

Right now, I'd say Wolves' transfer signings are pound-for-pound amongst the best in the country, regardless of where they've acquired them.
Also their manager has gone very native and does a load of community work so maybe the Portuguese contingent aren’t as exotic and divorced from local reality as they might initially have seemed.
 

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JFH back at Burton.
Just looking at what a fabulous job he has done there. When you posted this, they has just lost 1-5 at home to Oxford and were bottom of the table with 13 points from 22 games - 8 points adrift of safety.

They are now 18th on 40 points after 33 games - so 27 points from his 11 games - I would guess that is more points than anyone else in that league in those games! This has included victories over Peterborough and Hull and a 3-0 demolition of Crewe away yesterday.
 

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Just looking at what a fabulous job he has done there. When you posted this, they has just lost 1-5 at home to Oxford and were bottom of the table with 13 points from 22 games - 8 points adrift of safety.

They are now 18th on 40 points after 33 games - so 27 points from his 11 games - I would guess that is more points than anyone else in that league in those games! This has included victories over Peterborough and Hull and a 3-0 demolition of Crewe away yesterday.
I like that as a first rank player he’s done hard yards as a manager of lower level clubs and done well for them rather than expect to walk into a top club.
 

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I like that as a first rank player he’s done hard yards as a manager of lower level clubs and done well for them rather than expect to walk into a top club.
Did a marvellous job at the Raras
 

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Let's not forget what Wilder has achieved for United over the last 4/5 years. This has been his first 'bad' season. To finish 9th in their first season back last year was remarkable. This season has been a blah for them. I think Wilder would have pushed them to be challenging next year in the Championship for sure. He probably didn't have it to take United to the next step after last year and part of that is his own making by focusing only on signing British players, and it worked mostly.

Not related but was speaking to my cousin whom is a massive Wolves fan and they have gone the other way. The club have looked mainly at the Portugal market although the club has some exceptional Portuguese talent, he feels the identity of the club has in a way been lost and he preferred it and loved it when Wolves had Steve Bull and Andy Hutch playing for them. Still remember that 2-2 home draw with Wolves many years ago.
That is very strange, At least they have a plan and philosophy. Got to be the best time to be a Wolves fan for about 20 plus years.
 

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Did a marvellous job at the Raras
I would say the issue there was the underlying issues QPR had with their set up (which is still an issue and only now starting to improve). JFH is a decent manager IMO. Has dne wonders with BA this season.
 

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Perhaps they can do us a favour and beat Reading in midweek
They're due to play Reading (H), Watford (A), Swansea (H) and us (A) in their next run of games... let's home for new manager bounce that will die in 3 games.
 

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