Marcus Forss (On Loan to Hull City)

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It's the simple facts are he simply doesn't suit our current style. Replace him into the Maupay side and he scores 20+ .

I won't criticise him for that.
It's this simple... Okay maybe not Maupay.. but more on mould of Hogan. He is a typical fox in the box striker playing off last man. Doesn't currently suit our style but has bags of potential in a different system. Does it make him a bad player no. It's the same with Hali doesn't suit our current system but clearly has bags of potential.
 

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A kick in the teeth for Marcus today with Ivan missing?

Or just horses for courses?
 

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A kick in the teeth for Marcus today with Ivan missing?

Or just horses for courses?
I think it says it all really.... We all know Forss is a fantastic finisher, possibly our best.... but at this level does not offer enough in terms of his all round game to start in the premier league in my opinion. That is also an opinion that Thomas shares, evidently.

He's a good player, but we probably will be looking for an upgrade in the summer.
 

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With Canos and Toney unavailable next match, Wissa not fit enough to start, Forss may get his chance. And I really hope he takes it
 

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With Canos and Toney unavailable next match, Wissa not fit enough to start, Forss may get his chance. And I really hope he takes it
Thomas Frank has his ways to choose players, so I would not be surprised if Forss was not playing. Personally I hope Marcus moves on, and even if he would not be succesful somewhere else, at least he could play more and not wasting his time waiting for the opportunity that never comes with Brentford and Thomas Frank.

As a side note; Thomas Frank also has his (or somebody else's) way to use the formation as he likes, and kind of using players in certain positions no matter if it works or not... kind of stubborn way which is not wrong or right, just a way to do things. If Canos was not injured in October 2019, we would not have had our dynamic BMW-striking force as it was, maybe it would have been known as infamous BCW or something, nobody knows.
 

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Thomas Frank has his ways to choose players, so I would not be surprised if Forss was not playing. Personally I hope Marcus moves on, and even if he would not be succesful somewhere else, at least he could play more and not wasting his time waiting for the opportunity that never comes with Brentford and Thomas Frank.

As a side note; Thomas Frank also has his (or somebody else's) way to use the formation as he likes, and kind of using players in certain positions no matter if it works or not... kind of stubborn way which is not wrong or right, just a way to do things. If Canos was not injured in October 2019, we would not have had our dynamic BMW-striking force as it was, maybe it would have been known as infamous BCW or something, nobody knows.
He was recently given a long contract, can't see him going anywhere. Said to be the best finisher in the club, by the manager and coaches, so highly rated.
 

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Thomas Frank has his ways to choose players, so I would not be surprised if Forss was not playing. Personally I hope Marcus moves on, and even if he would not be succesful somewhere else, at least he could play more and not wasting his time waiting for the opportunity that never comes with Brentford and Thomas Frank.

As a side note; Thomas Frank also has his (or somebody else's) way to use the formation as he likes, and kind of using players in certain positions no matter if it works or not... kind of stubborn way which is not wrong or right, just a way to do things. If Canos was not injured in October 2019, we would not have had our dynamic BMW-striking force as it was, maybe it would have been known as infamous BCW or something, nobody knows.
I don’t think Forss is wasting his time here.

He has been an active part of a competitive Premier League squad so far and whilst it’s probably been a steep learning curve he could benefit from accelerated development as a result.

From the club’s perspective it’s also clear that Marcus is viewed as an asset that hasn’t come close to reaching his peak value yet. Had we not been promoted last season he would have been our first choice striker, likely scored 20+ goals as a 22/23 year old and been worth a fortune.

I do think it would be nice to get him out on loan for the second half of the season, perhaps even outside of our domestic pyramid somewhere. But that will just depend on the fitness of other options in January and whether we feel someone like Brook or NYC can step up from the B team in an emergency or not.
 

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From the club’s perspective it’s also clear that Marcus is viewed as an asset that hasn’t come close to reaching his peak value yet. Had we not been promoted last season he would have been our first choice striker, likely scored 20+ goals as a 22/23 year old and been worth a fortune.

I do think it would be nice to get him out on loan for the second half of the season, perhaps even outside of our domestic pyramid somewhere. But that will just depend on the fitness of other options in January and whether we feel someone like Brook or NYC can step up from the B team in an emergency or not.
You are absolutely right, he has not come close to his peak value, unfortunate for the club.

Thomas has said Forss would have been playing if we were still in Championship. Trust me, some eyebrows were rising after that interview which was widely read in Finland.
 

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Leeds are known to be vulnerable to players running at them. If Forss had started, we'd have tried to play as if he was Toney and pump balls up for him; playing Sergi and Bryan, with Shandon, meant we had to play the ball more on the ground with runners prepared to take their defenders on. It worked.
 

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Thomas also found out quite late that Toney would be unavailable, and therefore probably didn't want to change tactics to accommodate him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him more involved on Friday.
 

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If I was Forss I'd be banging on TFs door asking for a January loan.

It's a difficult one. The lad is a born finisher but must be very frustrated re his lack of game time.
I think we need to find a way to accommodate him. He is a lethal finisher, build the front 3 around him (while Ivan's out) IMHO

Be interesting to see how we set up on Friday
 

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If I was Forss I'd be banging on TFs door asking for a January loan.

It's a difficult one. The lad is a born finisher but must be very frustrated re his lack of game time.
I think we need to find a way to accommodate him. He is a lethal finisher, build the front 3 around him (while Ivan's out) IMHO

Be interesting to see how we set up on Friday
I just don’t think he’s good enough at this level and whether he will ever be I don’t know.
 

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Marcus will get his chance, but with Canos chipping in with a goal on Sunday it proves the selection to be correct.
I like Marcus Forss and feel he will be a top player, but not just yet.
Patience is needed here and his day will come.
 

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Someone needs to tell the Guardian he signed a 6 year contract only 12 months ago. Unless they mean a loan…
I doubt he’s going anywhere. But if he was, a loan in January to Coventry would be a good fit for him. If we were to get Halil back from his loan.
 

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He was recently given a long contract, can't see him going anywhere. Said to be the best finisher in the club, by the manager and coaches, so highly rated.
Absolutely right.

However, he needs to get the ball and have sight of goal to show his quality finishing. Hasn't been in those positions this season.
Highly rated - well yes, highly enough to earn a six-year contract. But not highly rated enough to get on the pitch any time recently.

We are going to have to play a different system or style for him to get many goals, I feel. A bit like when Scott Hogan was here and our system was all geared to threading balls through for him to run on to.
 

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I would imagine he is getting edgy feet and may well push for a loan at least to get more regular game time. At 22 he is no longer a youngster and needs to play more regularly.
 

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Thomas Frank said he was v close to a start v Leeds and has been training well.. Hint for tomorrow?
 

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Would be shocked if he’s preferred to Wissa when he hasn’t played a minute since Norwich
I wouldn't be given Wissa is only just back from injury and probably not quite match fit.. Sure it'll cause a major pant-wetting session on here and on social media if he does though! 😆
 

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If with 15 minutes to go we need a goal, how about bringing both Marcus & Yoane on at the same time. In the League Cup they have combined well together, and hey its only Watford 😜
 

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I agree we need better and he needs to play at a lower level.
Has played well internationally including a great goal against arguably the best side in Europe. Hope he gets a start tomorrow and really hope that he impresses.
 

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If with 15 minutes to go we need a goal, how about bringing both Marcus & Yoane on at the same time. In the League Cup they have combined well together, and hey its only Watford 😜
Lol fair point but who is going to start up front with Bryan tomorrow? Maybe Charlie 😆
 

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If with 15 minutes to go we need a goal, how about bringing both Marcus & Yoane on at the same time. In the League Cup they have combined well together, and hey its only Watford 😜
Would be a good idea if we had more than one other striker who can play the other 75 mins with Bryan
 

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Having a different view is not pants wetting.
Nothing wrong with having a different view.. was merely referring to the inevitable wailing and gnashing of teeth on here and twitter if he does start.. Similar to the reactions to Goode starting I suspect...
 

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Really think he just needs a run of games, a loan move would be perfect. It's been a long time (nearly 2 years now I think) since he was playing regularly and not just a few minutes off the bench. Promotion was maybe a bad thing for his chances of being a starter.
 

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Really think he just needs a run of games, a loan move would be perfect. It's been a long time (nearly 2 years now I think) since he was playing regularly and not just a few minutes off the bench. Promotion was maybe a bad thing for his chances of being a starter.
How do you guarantee he gets minutes on the pitch in games, loan him where?
 

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Has played well internationally including a great goal against arguably the best side in Europe. Hope he gets a start tomorrow and really hope that he impresses.
:imwith:
Hope we've spent the last few days on the training ground basing our front 3 on the qualities of Forss.
Give him chances he'll bury most of them, it's up to us to get the best out of him. Play to his strengths, he's a born finisher :sorted:
 

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How do you guarantee he gets minutes on the pitch in games, loan him where?
Am sure there are some clubs in the Championship that would take him, as for how do we ensure he gets time? Well he'd have to earn it obviously (unless we do what other Prem sides do and charge a fee if he doesn't play) but he'd probably be more likely to get game time in the Championship than with us in the 2nd half of the year. Simple fact is that he's very unlikely to develop much with just the odd game very 2 or 3 months here sadly.
 

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Am sure there are some clubs in the Championship that would take him, as for how do we ensure he gets time? Well he'd have to earn it obviously (unless we do what other Prem sides do and charge a fee if he doesn't play) but he'd probably be more likely to get game time in the Championship than with us in the 2nd half of the year. Simple fact is that he's very unlikely to develop much with just the odd game very 2 or 3 months here sadly.
Good point but let's see if we think the same this time tomorrow night. It's Marcus time tomorrow.
Good luck Marcus. I believe.
 

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Good point but let's see if we think the same this time tomorrow night. It's Marcus time tomorrow.
Good luck Marcus. I believe.
I agree, I really like Marcus and think he's going to be a very good striker in time and I'd love it to happen from tomorrow (well tonight now I see the time) but I just think a loan spell will be best for both him and us in the long term. Not my call though and people way more qualified than me will make know what's best for him and us.
 

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Cheeky little flick-on assist for the equaliser tonight vs Watford.

Not loads of positive involvement in link-up play and on the ball which we know he can improve on. But in typical Forss fashion he was aggressive and pressed and harried and got in between centre backs and gave them something to worry about.

For all of Wissa’s technical and dribbling ability he didn’t do that side of the game enough (it will come) and so I thought the substitution was the right one.
 
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