Marcus Forss - Signs to June 2023

[red_and_white]

It's the Lampard Gerrald problem Ivan and Marcus want to play in the same position, make the same runs and get on the end of the same crosses.They just end up getting in each others way. That said they're both such good footballers that when the wingers aren't clickiing they'll still end up getting you more goals.

it’s definitely going to be hard to accommodate them both but I wouldn’t say it’s because they can’t play together. There is limited evidence, but they have shown they link up well and play differently.

I think the really difficulty is that important/expensive players need to be dropped elsewhere.

3-4-1-2 could work but needs wingers dropped and centre backs fit.

4-4-2 is the other option but it would be highly unusual to use it in 2020. That said Da Silva and Norgaard are good enough to operate in that system (but obviously Norgaard is injured).

I think he’s showing too much to ignore now, and the next prediction thread will be almost as interesting as the team TF picks against Wycombe.

 

[jlove]

Perhaps we could stick with 4-3-3 and Forss can replace Raya...

 

[brighton bee]

We need to try him as one of the attacking 3, he’s far too good to leave out.

Even out of position I can’t see him not offering a goal threat coming in from out wide.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

We need to try him as one of the attacking 3, he’s far too good to leave out.

Even out of position I can’t see him not offering a goal threat coming in from out wide.

How did Finland line up out of interest?

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

We need to try him as one of the attacking 3, he’s far too good to leave out.

Even out of position I can’t see him not offering a goal threat coming in from out wide.

Im sure he came on out wide when he scored against Preston (think thats the team) for his first league goal 2 seasons ago.

 

[JANORAK]

Who else has graduated from B team to full international?

I know Mepham has but he joined BFC as a Scholar when we were still had a youth setup. Has anyone else?

There was the tall blonde winger who played for his country (Iceland?) before leaving us. 2018? 2019 Maybe ?

 

[Griffingreen]

How did Finland line up out of interest?

In quite an orderly straight line, they had obviously done some work at the training ground as it was very good.

 

[BEESRULE]

How did Finland line up out of interest?

Pretty sure both they and France were 4-4-2 which is a bit of a rarity .

 

[Beecareful]

Amazing! Truly amazing!!!

 

[hanworthbee]

Thomas Frank is insane not to be starting this boy.

but where ? he is a striker and nothing else...he isn't going to replace Toney ...with the amount of games we play perhaps some rotation would help toney and forss

 

[Wouldbee]

It’s not insane it’s a temporary happy problem .

 

[Easter 1959]

Superb.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1326629741496053760

 

[West Wilts Bee]

If we do not find room for him he will be gone, already in the stop window . The club are going to have to find a way to accommodate him or risk losing him at an undervalued price, you only get 20 mill for a player that scoring week in and week out.

 

[teesbee]

Who else has graduated from B team to full international?

I know Mepham has but he joined BFC as a Scholar when we were still had a youth setup. Has anyone else?

I guess you could also put the aforementioned Mr O'Shaughnessy into that category! He's certainly taken a roundabout route to do it though.

 

[beebopalula]

I doubt that TF is going to radically change the system that the team have worked with over the last few years, which has served us well, just to accommodate one player. The "problem" we have ( if you can call it that) is that we have two very good players both of whom can only largely play in the centre of a front three.

But we have a bigger problem which is that we are no better than a cluster ot teams so far. We lack a player who can turn a game now that Said has gone. Let's not kid ourselves. We aren't looking like top 6 so Frank needs to come up with something new.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

But we have a bigger problem which is that we are no better than a cluster ot teams so far. We lack a player who can turn a game now that Said has gone. Let's not kid ourselves. We aren't looking like top 6 so Frank needs to come up with something new.

Given that we have drawn with the teams in 4th, 6th and 7th in the last 3 league games, only 1 team has scored more goals than us and we have the league's top scorer playing for us, nobody should need to kid themselves that we are a top 6 contender. We are. Top 2 should be the bar though.

 

[Mr Cynical]

But we have a bigger problem which is that we are no better than a cluster ot teams so far. We lack a player who can turn a game now that Said has gone. Let's not kid ourselves. We aren't looking like top 6 so Frank needs to come up with something new.

I think we've more than enough to get us into the top 6. With Pinnock and Sorenson at the back and Norgaard coming back we look v solid defensively. We will score goals more often than not so if we can keep it tight at the back we'll be fine. Maybe we won't have the same flair in the short term but could be just as effective. Once the front three/four get an understanding going watch us fly.. As Ghoddos doesn't seem to be on international duty nor Mbeumo I would imagine that's what we've been working on all week

 

[West Wilts Bee]

Given that we have drawn with the teams in 4th, 6th and 7th in the last 3 league games, only 1 team has scored more goals than us and we have the league's top scorer playing for us, nobody should need to kid themselves that we are a top 6 contender. We are. Top 2 should be the bar though.

Yes drawn not won, and all these were home games, we are not looking top 2 on current form.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Yes drawn not won, and all these were home games, we are not looking top 2 on current form.

I agree. I disagree with the OPs comment that we are kidding ourselves that we can be a top 6 side.

 

[West Wilts Bee]

I agree. I disagree with the OPs comment that we are kidding ourselves that we can be a top 6 side.

Yes it is early days and imo you are better off outside of the pack at this stage of the season, and we are good enough for a top six finish, but i just feel we are not the free flowing side of the last few seasons.

 

[Bill Benn]

Yes it is early days and imo you are better off outside of the pack at this stage of the season, and we are good enough for a top six finish, but i just feel we are not the free flowing side of the last few seasons.

Can’t get that excited about any of that the way things are without fans,Mid table finish with money in the bank will do for me.

 

[beebopalula]

Last season 4-3-3 worked well because we had two bang in form wide players. We are struggling to find one now. I believe in the old mantras. You find a system that suits the players and dont try to shoe players into systems that dont suit them.At the mo we look like a lot of other teams. Yes we got draws against good sides at home but those games could have been lost as well as won. It seems to me that to be different in this league you need a game changer. We've lost Said. The Swansea game illustrated it well for Me. IMO the difference was that they had Ayew as a brilliant outlet and that's what we lack now. I dont expect us to be the same team or style this year. We have two bang on finishers and Frank needs to find a way to get them on. Two really dangerous strikers working off the shoulder could really cause trouble for a lot of teams.
However we might find that two of our wide players hit form. Let's see.

 

[grepo]

Fabulous Forss. Great goal. He hits it so sweetly and Forssfully GK never has a chance.

 

[Mr Cynical]

Last season 4-3-3 worked well because we had two bang in form wide players. We are struggling to find one now. I believe in the old mantras. You find a system that suits the players and dont try to shoe players into systems that dont suit them.At the mo we look like a lot of other teams. Yes we got draws against good sides at home but those games could have been lost as well as won. It seems to me that to be different in this league you need a game changer. We've lost Said. The Swansea game illustrated it well for Me. IMO the difference was that they had Ayew as a brilliant outlet and that's what we lack now. I dont expect us to be the same team or style this year. We have two bang on finishers and Frank needs to find a way to get them on. Two really dangerous strikers working off the shoulder could really cause trouble for a lot of teams.
However we might find that two of our wide players hit form. Let's see.

I think it's more a case of we haven't really worked out our new attacking shape yet so it's not quite clicking. We've seen glimpses of it, after we scored against Norwich for example, where we were excellent, but in general there's not that free flowing attacking play we saw at the end of last season. That's not surprising though as we've not really had much time to work at it and you need everyone on the same wavelength for it to work. Hopefully these two weeks will give us time to work with Ghoddos, Toney, Mbeumo, Jensen, Marcondes etc to improve that and make it more instinctive. This is the first time we've really had more than a day or two to work on stuff since the beginning of the season..

 

[abeeforever]

If we do not find room for him he will be gone, already in the stop window . The club are going to have to find a way to accommodate him or risk losing him at an undervalued price, you only get 20 mill for a player that scoring week in and week out.

We hold the cards, he's contracted until 2023, and I think we will get whatever price we ask, as per usual, as we are no longer a soft touch.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

We hold the cards, he's contracted until 2023, and I think we will get whatever price we ask, as per usual, as we are no longer a soft touch.

We are only a few games into the season he will get ample opportunities I’m sure

 

[West Wilts Bee]

The way he is going he is going to be hard to overlook.

 

[vcmazz]

Makes me wonder, with the quality Marcus and Ivan are showing, hypothetical obviously, but would Ollie even get a game these days?

 

[Leonardo]

Could we try a 4 3 1 2 formation?
(when all fit)
Raya
Dalsgaard Janson Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Jensen DaSilva
Ghoddos
Toney Forss


Ghoddos wouldn't be so confined to wing as more comfortable central

 

[ruislip bee]

Could we try a 4 3 1 2 formation?
(when all fit)
Raya
Dalsgaard Janson Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Jensen DaSilva
Ghoddos
Toney Forss


Ghoddos wouldn't be so confined to wing as more comfortable central

The thing that occurs to me when I look at that team is that just when we get a wider home pitch the side will have absolutely no width.

 

[jlove]

I know I've said it before but I think we'll get more goals over the season by substituting or rotating Toney and Forss, not by playing them together. With the compression of games into intense periods of 2 games-a-week, many squads will overuse a goalscorer they have a high reliance on. Having the option to take off a proven goalscorer and introduce an equally productive and fresh player for the final 25-35 minutes of a game as an opposition defence is tiring had got to give more goals overall as the season wears on.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Could we try a 4 3 1 2 formation?
(when all fit)
Raya
Dalsgaard Janson Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Jensen DaSilva
Ghoddos
Toney Forss


Ghoddos wouldn't be so confined to wing as more comfortable central

Or Marcondes in Ghoddos role. But that leaves no room for Mbeumo AND we would have no attacking outlet on right as need a right back equivalent of Rico.
Better off with Norgaard protecting back four enabling the full backs to push forward more and the midfield three applying the pressing job (ie Jensen, Da Silva and one from Marcondes, Mbeumo and Ghoddos)

 

[Beat Poet]

Who else has graduated from B team to full international?

I know Mepham has but he joined BFC as a Scholar when we were still had a youth setup. Has anyone else?

Daniel O'Shaughnessy (DS)
Chris Mepham
Kolbeinn Finnsson
Marcus Forss

 

[BFC1997]

Daniel O'Shaughnessy (DS)
Chris Mepham
Kolbeinn Finnsson
Marcus Forss

DO'S was Development Squad I believe. He, like Kolbeinn Finnsson probably also only half count. They were called into national squads that contained domestic and youth players only (Nordic countries seemed to do this for a few years).

Mepham joined as a scholar when we still had a YTS.

So I guess Forss is the first proper B team prospect turned international superstar. Hopefully more to follow.

 

[Bangor Bee]

Could we try a 4 3 1 2 formation?
(when all fit)
Raya
Dalsgaard Janson Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Jensen DaSilva
Ghoddos
Toney Forss


Ghoddos wouldn't be so confined to wing as more comfortable central

Another option: Mbeumo Norgaard Dasilva as the three, with Jensen in the Ghoddos role and Mbeumo and Dasilva moving wider according to circumstances.

 

[Beecareful]

Makes me wonder, with the quality Marcus and Ivan are showing, hypothetical obviously, but would Ollie even get a game these days?

next you'll suggest Andy McCulloch and Stevie Phillips won't start. But, of course, all hypothetical

 

[PJ]

next you'll suggest Andy McCulloch and Stevie Phillips won't start. But, of course, all hypothetical

TF's selections will be interesting in the next few games.
Noticed Klopp played 4 up top at Man City last week. Was great to watch in the first half, bit like a basketball game. Not sure if they'll carry on with that system or whether Klopp felt he had to pick Jota on current form.
It got tweaked in the 2nd half and wasn't as good a watch imo

 

[Mr Cynical]

How fitting that on the anniversary of Rob Rowan's passing, we're talking about a proper B team graduate scoring on his international debut v France during a season where another B teamer has started to make a real impression on the first team in the heart of a Championship defence..

 

[dougieb]

We have strength in depth now for the first time in ages. We can now replace our first choice striker with a guy who has talent and can score goals. Sometimes it's just not working up front and now we can bring on a guy who can change that. Good place to be. The more pressure on Toney to keep scoring the better in my opinion.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Could we try a 4 3 1 2 formation?
(when all fit)
Raya
Dalsgaard Janson Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Jensen DaSilva
Ghoddos
Toney Forss


Ghoddos wouldn't be so confined to wing as more comfortable central

If TF decided to play Marcus and Ivan together, I think this formation has a lot more chance of success than a 4-4-2 I’ve seen suggested elsewhere. We simply don’t IMO, have the players for a 4-4-2 but we might have the players to make a 4-3-1-2 system work, although it places huge onus on Henrik to get up and down the pitch which I’m not at all sure he currently has the legs for.

 

[Beat Poet]

Noticed Klopp played 4 up top at Man City last week. Was great to watch in the first half, bit like a basketball game. Not sure if they'll carry on with that system or whether Klopp felt he had to pick Jota on current form.

Blimey, Jotts has done well for "hisself" to get a gig at Liverpool after his torrid spell at Villa Park!

 

[TadB]

Could we try a 4 3 1 2 formation?
(when all fit)
Raya
Dalsgaard Janson Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Jensen DaSilva
Ghoddos
Toney Forss


Ghoddos wouldn't be so confined to wing as more comfortable central

I am not sure that he has ever been confined to the wing? As time goes bye he is beginning to look more like a replacement for Macondes than Benrhama?

 

[HaylingBee74]

I see Marcus as short as 9/2 for first goalscorer with Skybet, though 6/1 in places (Bet365 and others)

 

[HaylingBee74]

However he starts on the bench away to Bulgaria. He had put a lot of effort in for the whole 90 minutes v France

 

[badgerbee]

Comes on as 35th minute sub.......
Yet to score.....
Minutes per goal ratio increasingly rapidly......

 

[grepo]

Marcus on at 35 min

 

[westendbee]

Yes drawn not won, and all these were home games, we are not looking top 2 on current form.

But are home games really “home games” without crowds?

 

[Mr Cynical]

But are home games really “home games” without crowds?

good point. There doesn't seem to be the same distinction when playing behind closed doors.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Marcus on at 35 min

How did he play? And I presume played number nine role?

 

[Hakonen_72]

However he starts on the bench away to Bulgaria. He had put a lot of effort in for the whole 90 minutes v France

Finland played basically B team against France... any of the players who started against France did not start against Bulgaria.