Isleworth_Bee
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I think the issue is our more direct style. We look to play up to Toney, its not MF game.I think this is the main problem for him in our system.
I think the issue is our more direct style. We look to play up to Toney, its not MF game.I think this is the main problem for him in our system.
To answer your first question, based on today's show, we know he won't be able to. But in any case, that would be asking way too much of him. Barely had a touch or laid a glove today so clearly a long way to go before he can start regularly at this level. Great finisher but I haven't seen much else to his game as yet. Let's hope Toney is back asap.I like Forss, his early season form was very good, but if we lost Toney to any length of time would we really be happy with him leading the line to get us over the line?
I know the phrase form is temporary, class is permanent, but I do think we need another option up front.
I don't have any suggestions but maybe a striker on loan to help us over the line on this occasion that is willing to battle Toney rather than replace, or buying someone who is scoring for fun in Leagues 1 or 2 that could prove fruitful financially as well as goals in the future.
It is easy behind a keyboard and screen to suggest this than it is to go out and do, but Toney has not scored in 6 - his worst for us this season, and 4 of those games have come against Premier or promotion/play off chasing teams. Forss has not scored in 10 games, albeit most of his games he has only played 20 minutes or so. They are our 2 main recognised forward, not wide forwards, and this can be worrying despite not losing a league game in 16 (or is it 17?).
I may sound pessimistic, and I realise Ghoddos is now starting to score goals, but is that enough?
Would Forss benefit from another loan, to a lower Championship club that won't affect us up the table to play more consistently if we were to get someone in?
Like we did when hogan was putting them away, very clinical...Given injuries to the likes of Henry now is the time to change the system to suit Forss.
To be fair to the lad. He’s still learning and he’s always been best with the ball either laid in front of him to run onto or getting the ball early and running at Defenders. Today the passing into the box suited Toney and if he had been playing would have got two or three, then it’s a whole different game. Like you though, I’m hoping Toney isn’t out for too long. In fact to see him back on Wednesday would be perfect.To answer your first question, based on today's show, we know he won't be able to. But in any case, that would be asking way too much of him. Barely had a touch or laid a glove today so clearly a long way to go before he can start regularly at this level. Great finisher but I haven't seen much else to his game as yet. Let's hope Toney is back asap.
To be fair to the lad. He’s still learning and he’s always been best with the ball either laid in front of him to run onto or getting the ball early and running at Defenders. Today the passing into the box suited Toney and if he had been playing would have got two or three, then it’s a whole different game. Like you though, I’m hoping Toney isn’t out for too long. In fact to see him back on Wednesday would be perfect.
I know, I did say it would be perfect. Unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world and it’s Brentfordfc we don’t do things easilyNo chance..![]()
Of course we're cutting him some slack, that's the first time he's started as a centre forward in the Championship this season and the first time he's started a game since the Leicester FA Cup almost a month ago.We're cutting MF an awful lot of slack that other players do not get. We have to totally change the system to put it on a plate for him now?! That chance he had in the first half on Saturday where he actually ran behind the defender instead of intercepting the ball...
I'll be kind and say that he has to try and match Ivan Toney's work rate as his number one priority, and see where that takes him.
Totally agree I didn’t see one chance he had in the box on Saturday, yes he could have gambled and gone in on the Dalsgaard cross across the 6 yard areaCreate chances for him and he will tuck them away.
Is that from breaking team news?He's a doubt for tomorrow- I wonder who plays up top with Ivan out too?
Frank said he's suffered from concussion so is a doubtIs that from breaking team news?![]()
Does the good news never endFrank said he's suffered from concussion so is a doubt
This is correct. Much of our chance creation comes from overloads on the wings and then working the ball into the box. This suits Toney's game. Patterns of play which looks for a more central midfielder to put the ball either between the CBs or looking for Forss to run into the channels would suit him more. I'd like to see him build some more of Watkins's ability to come deep, lay the ball off and then spin in behind. I think Forss has the capacity to do that if he becomes more comfortable with his back to goal and shielding defenders.I'm waiting for the he isn't any good comments now.
Toney and him are polar opposite strikers.
Forss is more Hogan Esq. Wants to play in behind the back line. He doesn't suit the same style we have been playing with Toney.
Some fairly unfair critics.
If people can't see that Toney and him are completely different strikers is well... A fool.
You wouldn't call Shearer and Owen the same striker or expect the same from them.
Unfortunately our style currently doesn't suit Forss. He needs clever one twos or through balls.
Some fans lack a football brain.
Got any boots?He's a doubt for tomorrow- I wonder who plays up top with Ivan out too?
Stop doing this.....
Does the good news never end![]()
Play 2 upfront, lets try 532 and be more solid.Ghoddos up top, imo.
Get well soon Mr Forss!
We don't have 2 strikers though? That's the pointPlay 2 upfront, lets try 532 and be more solid.
I know you're always on about signing strikers, but getting two in by tomorrow is going to be tough.Play 2 upfront, lets try 532 and be more solid.
What do you suggest we play nobody up top, please please not 433 without Toney.I know you're always on about signing strikers, but getting two in by tomorrow is going to be tough.
433 is how we play. The players know the system. The team will be picked to that system.What do you suggest we play nobody up top, please please not 433 without Toney.
That’s well pre-Castle badge but probably the formation we used in our invincible season!
Must have hit his head on the the way off the coach as he looked dazed all match.433 is how we play. The players know the system. The team will be picked to that system.
Anyway. Back to Forss. Did anyone see how he got concussed?
Worked well for us in the 40s and 50s.
And no mention of a No 8 or No10 good old fashioned half back and inside forwards.Worked well for us in the 40s and 50s.
Does Frank run all his selections by you? Seems like it at the moment.Mbeumo up top , Canos and Fosu wide ?