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He needs to get real, and think himself lucky there was no VAR for Ivan Toney’s disallowed goal. This was their Cup final, they gave it their best shot, and predictably came up short against their superior and more prestigious neighbours...yet again. QPR, mediocre in every respect...deal with it Warbs.
 

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It’s interesting (to me, at least) that Warburton frames the Sorensen incident as the turning point of the game - as if QPR were denied a penalty or had a goal ruled out. It was neither, of course. Strange behaviour.
 

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It’s interesting (to me, at least) that Warburton frames the Sorensen incident as the turning point of the game - as if QPR were denied a penalty or had a goal ruled out. It was neither, of course. Strange behaviour.
lol bit early for the sherry. I’m not having a man sent off is quite a big turning point to me
 

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When he says he can’t say what he thinks of the refereeing decision on Sorensen’s foul, or he’ll get fined, he’d like to say ‘the refereeing decisions will always go the big club’s way’.....but that doesn’t stack up, as the big club had a goal disallowed, presumably as the referee felt sorry for the minnows on their big day out.
 

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Having an opposition player sent off early in the game would be a big influence on the game but it is a very negative way to view his own teams performance as it implies they needed that assistance to beat us. In reality his team against 11 men were outplayed and he was outthought by TF so his post match interview is almost wholly about excuses and whingeing about the defeat.
 

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He's lost in a tight game. A bit of bitterness maybe, but really not that different to 100s of interviews of managers in similarly lost tight games. Just looking at it rationally:

-It's actually the interviewer that says there were 200 fans in the stadium, not him. He just seems to agree with it.
-Kane's 2nd challenge was clumsy. I've seen them stay and go for challenges like that. However, compare and contrast those comments with TF's when Rico got sent off v. Swansea. Really not that different.
-Possible red for us. TF would be saying the same. Even TF said it was 'borderline'. And if the home manager says that, you know what he really means! There's not a BFC fan alive who would expect an opposition player to stay on the pitch if the identical foul happened against us.

As for not handling them with 10 men - who knows. But a cursory read of the match thread on here in the first half would indicate we were struggling to live with 11!

We won the game and I think just shaded it overall after a poor first half. If this was any other manager making those comments after a defeat, I doubt they would generate more than a couple of posts. It's a great win over bitter rivals, when we really haven't played well. 6 points out of 6 in 4 days is brilliant given our performances recently.
But Warburton just can't le'go.
 

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We weren't good enough to hold 11 men, and the ref should have made it easier for us by sending one of theirs off for a marginal foul.

That's what it amounts to. I think the club embarrassed itself more with the Lego post. And coming from the club with the highest proportion of restricted view seats of any stadium in the entire league, it was more than a bit rich.
 

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Having an opposition player sent off early in the game would be a big influence on the game but it is a very negative way to view his own teams performance as it implies they needed that assistance to beat us. In reality his team against 11 men were outplayed and he was outthought by TF so his post match interview is almost wholly about excuses and whingeing about the defeat.
EXACTLY. "We can only win if we play against 10 of their players"
 
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He's employed by Rangers, if he doesn't question these things or see things that could have gone their way he'd be accused of not caring or lacking passion. I fully understand why he says what he does, he wants to keep the fans on his side and his job. Not nasty or anything else but pragmatic.
 

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He's lost in a tight game. A bit of bitterness maybe, but really not that different to 100s of interviews of managers in similarly lost tight games. Just looking at it rationally:

-It's actually the interviewer that says there were 200 fans in the stadium, not him. He just seems to agree with it.
-Kane's 2nd challenge was clumsy. I've seen them stay and go for challenges like that. However, compare and contrast those comments with TF's when Rico got sent off v. Swansea. Really not that different.
-Possible red for us. TF would be saying the same. Even TF said it was 'borderline'. And if the home manager says that, you know what he really means! There's not a BFC fan alive who would expect an opposition player to stay on the pitch if the identical foul happened against us.

As for not handling them with 10 men - who knows. But a cursory read of the match thread on here in the first half would indicate we were struggling to live with 11!

We won the game and I think just shaded it overall after a poor first half. If this was any other manager making those comments after a defeat, I doubt they would generate more than a couple of posts. It's a great win over bitter rivals, when we really haven't played well. 6 points out of 6 in 4 days is brilliant given our performances recently.
Cant agree with that grutter. Its 100% a yellow and completely different to Rico's which was rightly overturned as not a straight red (was a yellow at worst). If that had been a straight red ;last night then yes he could complain but it was a blatant yellow therefore a red.
 

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He's employed by Rangers, if he doesn't question these things or see things that could have gone their way he'd be accused of not caring or lacking passion. I fully understand why he says what he does, he wants to keep the fans on his side and his job. Not nasty or anything else but pragmatic.
Came across as very desperate, moaning about 200 people in the ground. The best his side could throw at our side which is underperforming still wasnt good enough and he knows it.
 

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Judging by the number of posts on here, he's not the only one!!
Like Barbet, Bidwell and Rowlands before him he deserves the attention for joining that lot alone. As for the other stuff we've moved onto better managers who in the long run will put us in the place MB wants us to be in.
 

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He's lost in a tight game. A bit of bitterness maybe, but really not that different to 100s of interviews of managers in similarly lost tight games. Just looking at it rationally:

-It's actually the interviewer that says there were 200 fans in the stadium, not him. He just seems to agree with it.
-Kane's 2nd challenge was clumsy. I've seen them stay and go for challenges like that. However, compare and contrast those comments with TF's when Rico got sent off v. Swansea. Really not that different.
-Possible red for us. TF would be saying the same. Even TF said it was 'borderline'. And if the home manager says that, you know what he really means! There's not a BFC fan alive who would expect an opposition player to stay on the pitch if the identical foul happened against us.

As for not handling them with 10 men - who knows. But a cursory read of the match thread on here in the first half would indicate we were struggling to live with 11!

We won the game and I think just shaded it overall after a poor first half. If this was any other manager making those comments after a defeat, I doubt they would generate more than a couple of posts. It's a great win over bitter rivals, when we really haven't played well. 6 points out of 6 in 4 days is brilliant given our performances recently.
Yeah nah not buying your defence of him there.

Listen back to the interview. He very clearly implies we were breaking some kind of lockdown regulation by having so many in the stadium. Kane’s stonewall second yellow was also nothing like Henry’s straight red at Swansea.

When you listen back to the interview, these things combined with the other sly digs make it very clear what he thinks of us.
 

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....jeez.....some of you lot still exorcising your demons.....nearly five years on from that night under the lights v Watford...let it go.....not worth it.
 

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Yeah nah not buying your defence of him there.

Listen back to the interview. He very clearly implies we were breaking some kind of lockdown regulation by having so many in the stadium. Kane’s stonewall second yellow was also nothing like Henry’s straight red at Swansea.

When you listen back to the interview, these things combined with the other sly digs make it very clear what he thinks of us.
I think Warburton only thinks of himself and what he can get out of others. Dont think he cares about anything else.
 

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Cant agree with that grutter. Its 100% a yellow and completely different to Rico's which was rightly overturned as not a straight red (was a yellow at worst). If that had been a straight red ;last night then yes he could complain but it was a blatant yellow therefore a red.
I agree those 2 challenges are totally different. I was trying to say both managers blamed the opposition bench for getting the players sent off.
 

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It’s interesting (to me, at least) that Warburton frames the Sorensen incident as the turning point of the game - as if QPR were denied a penalty or had a goal ruled out. It was neither, of course. Strange behaviour.
All that would have happened if by chance Sorensen had been sent of Pontus would have been earlier at the expense of Fosu. Not a bad if it would’ve happened
 

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Good to see Mads has learned his ‘pitch geography’ for a strategic foul. He is a fine specimen now, but needs to beware of forwards randomly pinging off him like free radicals. My main worry before the game was their ability to win/con penalties this season.
MW bemoaned that they finished with 10 men. It could easily have been 9.
Hemalainen (aka Him-of-many-umlauts), already booked, still careered around fouling as he went. A couple were borderline cautions, and I thought the Ref was pretty lenient, for a derby game.
 

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I was never on the Warb hate train after he left the club... but I can't deny that interview came across as fairly bitter, and the "200 fans" stuff is just a ridiculous comment.

Glad to see everyone on here has moved on 😁
 
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I was never on the Warb hate train after he left the club... but I can't deny that interview came across as fairly bitter, and the "200 fans" stuff is just a ridiculous comment.

Glad to see everyone on here has moved on 😁
I suspect it has already been noted but the "200 fans" comment was made by the interviewer but Warbs agreed with it.
 

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Ok breadman. Riddle me this:

Hamalainan was booked in the 28th minute for fouling Mbeumo.

In the 31st minute he decides to put his studs through Toney’s foot on the edge of the box

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I think we can all agree that this was worthy of a second yellow card and you will therefore accept that the Rara’s should have been down to 10 men long before the incident up the other end with Sorensen.
 

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Breadman had his best days when he was with us, and imo that was a lot to do with MB . Since his days at GP things have not gone so well, in hindsight he should have stayed at the place his bread was well buttered.
 
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Ok breadman. Riddle me this:

Hamalainan was booked in the 28th minute for fouling Mbeumo.

In the 31st minute he decides to put his studs through Toney’s foot on the edge of the box

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I think we can all agree that this was worthy of a second yellow card and you will therefore accept that the Rara’s should have been down to 10 men long before the incident up the other end with Sorensen.
Not mentioned only briefly during the game, but that was a second yellow all day long and before the Sorensen incident. The referee was woeful for both teams, but either way we won so QPHA supporters can whinge all they want.
 

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Who cares what he thinks? Will get P45"d by Rangers sooner rather than later, then disappear into lower league management.
 

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Warburton hasn't changed one bit. Defensively frail and even when Forest beat us, it still screamed 'score one more than them' ethos. He did well here because our foundation is so solid all through the club to each and every individual.
 

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Breadman had his best days when he was with us, and imo that was a lot to do with MB . Since his days at GP things have not gone so well, in hindsight he should have stayed at the place his bread was well buttered.
Yes, I think he’s had 5 years to realise the advantage he had here with an owner and recruitment strategy that brought in a steady stream of excellent players without the manager having to worry about it and being freed to focus on getting the best out of the team. He’s now got a very tough job at QPR where they are starting on the same road but are years behind us on it. I think he’s doing well and they might become pretty good in a couple more seasons (they’re certainly much better now than at any time since we’ve been up)
 

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Really p'd off this am, been loyal season ticket holder for donkeys, but did'nt get any opportunity at all to attend last night! Can't believe there's 200 more deserving cases. Will be contacting Reg.
 

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For me the standout issue with Warbs is that he hasn't evolved his tactical nous one bit. They looked good on the ball but created little. Even their goal was poor defending by Dalsgaard who was ball watching. He has no concept of how to defend properly and doesn't seem to think it's important. However they are a decent side and will be top half but nowhere good enough to be top 6.
 

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Who cares what he thinks? Will get P45"d by Rangers sooner rather than later, then disappear into lower league management.
Sounds like you’ve got some inside knowledge of him returning to the Scottish Premier League:judge:
 

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Why don’t they follow up their accusations then, get the police or the council on it, if Brentford have “200 fans in” making all the noise that resulted in a red card???? Didn’t realise that was the criteria nowadays
 

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To be fair to MW he didn’t bring up the “200”.
He just kind of assimilated it as part of his general blaming and shirking responsibility.
 

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Did not come across at all well last night.

If that was a colleague I was managing I'd wait a bit and have a word with them to see what was really going on.
 

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The stuff I heard in what he was up to in the pre-season after HE LEFT made me lose all respect for him. If it wasn't for MB giving MW a chance he wouldn't have ever managed any club. I loved the football he gave us promoting us and our first season back in the Championship. It was unforgettable. MB decision to recruit DoFs has been proven to be right on and off the pitch. No one can argue with that just purely from a Financial perspective.

That interview last night was a man that is bitter. That was the best team QPR could have put out against us. One just needs to look at their twitter feed when their team was announced. MB has one style of play and it is pleasing on the eye but won't ever take that club to the next level.
 

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Why don’t they follow up their accusations then, get the police or the council on it, if Brentford have “200 fans in” making all the noise that resulted in a red card???? Didn’t realise that was the criteria nowadays
There was certainly some impressive 'crowd noise' on the Sky transmission......I assumed that we were using recorded tapes over the loudspeakers to provide an atmosphere because it surely cannot all have been from the <200 Bees that were in the ground.
 

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There was certainly some impressive 'crowd noise' on the Sky transmission......I assumed that we were using recorded tapes over the loudspeakers to provide an atmosphere because it surely cannot all have been from the <200 Bees that were in the ground.
Yes, the in ground noise can’t have been that loud for everyone watching Sky to have heard Dalsgaard querying a throw near the NW corner with a very clear “you effing what?”
 

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He's lost in a tight game. A bit of bitterness maybe, but really not that different to 100s of interviews of managers in similarly lost tight games. Just looking at it rationally:

-It's actually the interviewer that says there were 200 fans in the stadium, not him. He just seems to agree with it.
-Kane's 2nd challenge was clumsy. I've seen them stay and go for challenges like that. However, compare and contrast those comments with TF's when Rico got sent off v. Swansea. Really not that different.
-Possible red for us. TF would be saying the same. Even TF said it was 'borderline'. And if the home manager says that, you know what he really means! There's not a BFC fan alive who would expect an opposition player to stay on the pitch if the identical foul happened against us.

As for not handling them with 10 men - who knows. But a cursory read of the match thread on here in the first half would indicate we were struggling to live with 11!

We won the game and I think just shaded it overall after a poor first half. If this was any other manager making those comments after a defeat, I doubt they would generate more than a couple of posts. It's a great win over bitter rivals, when we really haven't played well. 6 points out of 6 in 4 days is brilliant given our performances recently.
Yes we all know you loved him back in the day when he fell out with the bloke who gave him his first job and then stabbed him in the back.First class slime ball who has done nothing since he left and willl be out of a job come summer.But as they say each to their own
 

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