Mathias Jensen - Signs to 2023 (+1yr option) (2 Viewers)

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An interesting observation about how we have developed since you first saw Brentford play. Thomas Frank was brought to the club because his technical and tactical abilities were considered to be exceptional. Since he was promoted to Head Coach, it does feel that we have moved up to a new level in both aspects.

Well, if I take the role as a Danish pundit it was a great game. Have following Brentford since the arrival of Marcondes, but only seeing matches sporadically as they sometimes ar shown on Danish TV, it seemed as Brentford has developed the style of play quite a lot. In articles in Danish press both Marcondes an Flemming Pedersen (the former "head og football philosphy" in Brentford who is now manager in FC Nordsjælland) talked about Brentfords style of play and that it could be developed to play faster and more technically. To me it seems that this was what happened yesterday, especially in the first half. In the matches I have seen earlier, it is obvious that the single players of Brentford are more skilled than the ones in the Danish Superliga (Otherwise I guess that you wouldn't attract some of the most talented players) but it has looked to me as if the league - and Brentford - lacked tactically.

It seems as if Brentoford now has developed a faster and more technically playing style than earlier and what is happening on the pitch now is more based on a trained playing style where it earlier looked - to me - as if the things that happened on the pitch was something that the players made up in their heads during the match. Now it seems more coordinated and as a part of a trained playing style. I guess with some of Jensens passes, there would have been no one to receive them earlier, now they are expected.

My guess - as an ordinary football fan - is that the success of Brentford in the future will depend on how well Brentford will continue to develop that playing style. In a more developed form I guess that it could also work in the PL. It does however still seem to me that Brentford from time to time could have a bit more patience on the ball, holding on to it and wait for the chance to grow a bit bigger before throwing the ball in the box. I did also see a few ocasions where a cutback in the box could have worked quite well but instead the ball was played closer to the goal.

However it was abrilliant match to watch, and the playing style seems to fit both Marcondes and Jensen as well as Nørgaard. I was proud to be a Dane when watching the game. It was the kind of football that I am fan of.

I had by the way expected Brentford to buy Mohammed Kudus of FC Nordsjælland this summer - instead he went to Ajax for 9 mio. Euro. He could be a magnificent player for the club.

I hope one day to see a training match between FC Nordsjælland and Brentford.

Brentford is by the way attracting more and more interest form Danish football fans. On the biggest Danish football site there were 44 comments on the match yesterday and quite a lot expressing hope that Brentford would reach PL: https://www.bold.dk/fodbold/nyheder/marcondes-maal-da-brentford-naaede-wembley/. I do personally know a few who have been to London to watch a Brentford game as well.
 

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Hoping for him to come back stronger and more confident next season with one year in English football under his belt. If he does, he could be a big player for us.
 

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Hoping for him to come back stronger and more confident next season with one year in English football under his belt. If he does, he could be a big player for us.
thinking of him, Pinnock, Mbuemo, JDS, Marcondes all stepping up a level and the likes of Baptiste, Fosu, Dervisoglu, Valencia, Canos finding their feet fills me with great hope.. Plus any of the players we may bring in to replace outgoings, AND the young ex- B teamers, Racic, Zamburek, Roerslev, Forss and maybe even Oksanen starting to make an impact. We're in a pretty good position especially compared to where we were last summer...
 

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thinking of him, Pinnock, Mbuemo, JDS, Marcondes all stepping up a level and the likes of Baptiste, Fosu, Dervisoglu, Valencia, Canos finding their feet fills me with great hope.. Plus any of the players we may bring in to replace outgoings, AND the young ex- B teamers, Racic, Zamburek, Roerslev, Forss and maybe even Oksanen starting to make an impact. We're in a pretty good position especially compared to where we were last summer...
Yep, the squad is much stronger than at the end of last year, so long as we can keep as much of the spine in place as possible, and buy well (which we normally do) we should be in a really strong position. First ten games last season was all about the team getting to know each other, and it cost us. Shouldn't be like that next season! :)
 

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Regarding Jensen (& Marcondes for that matter). They clearly both have their moments, but where they have been at their best is when they are given time and space. (e.g Jensen's pass in the 2nd leg v. Swansea to Watkins). When they don't have this, mistakes ensure. With Jensen, it is normally misplaced passes/losing the ball and with Marcondes, it is a lack of presence & the likelihood of falling over.

Everyone knows that a high pressing game is the way to contain us, limiting time on the ball for those players who can make killer passes. It's a fair bet more teams will do that to us this year.

Watching Leeds against Liverpool, it was clear how much better Leeds are than us at moving the ball quickly with one touch passes/volleys which often find their man, who anticipates them. We did play like that in some games last season, but normally once we were already ahead and confidence is higher. It would be great to have a couple of players who give the impression they have ages on the ball, when in fact they have very little time, then use it wisely & incisively. I believe we need better than these two in the middle to reach the top 2.
 

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Leeds were impressive yesterday. What you need to remember like us they lost out in the PO's but kept the same team together, added a couple and went on to promotion. We are in a different situation and need time to see if this squad is good enough to make a challenge again.
 

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Leeds were impressive yesterday. What you need to remember like us they lost out in the PO's but kept the same team together, added a couple and went on to promotion. We are in a different situation and need time to see if this squad is good enough to make a challenge again.
Leeds lost one important player from their Play Off losing team, as we have so far.
 
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Regarding Jensen (& Marcondes for that matter). They clearly both have their moments, but where they have been at their best is when they are given time and space. (e.g Jensen's pass in the 2nd leg v. Swansea to Watkins). When they don't have this, mistakes ensure. With Jensen, it is normally misplaced passes/losing the ball and with Marcondes, it is a lack of presence & the likelihood of falling over.

Everyone knows that a high pressing game is the way to contain us, limiting time on the ball for those players who can make killer passes. It's a fair bet more teams will do that to us this year.

Watching Leeds against Liverpool, it was clear how much better Leeds are than us at moving the ball quickly with one touch passes/volleys which often find their man, who anticipates them. We did play like that in some games last season, but normally once we were already ahead and confidence is higher. It would be great to have a couple of players who give the impression they have ages on the ball, when in fact they have very little time, then use it wisely & incisively. I believe we need better than these two in the middle to reach the top 2.
I have been thinking king very much the same. Hard to judge after the team has had so little time together but I do see Jensen and Marcondes as at their best when we are playing a game of football when they can use their undoubted skill to tear teams apart.
The problem is how few teams will allow us to play our natural game? Very few I suspect.
The Championship is a series of battle where you have to win the right to play and neither of them can do that and tend to disappear when the going gets tough.
If we can get on our game from the first minute and play around teams then fine but that rarely seems to happen.
Yesterday we were carrying Jensen/Marcondes and were outfought and stymied.
I wonder if Baptiste has the power to add to his undoubted skill?

Otherwise I see problems ahead.
 

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.............yep.........lightweight and unimposing.............the new McCeachran...........
Bloody hope not, but yes much like Josh, I'll keep talking myself into him "coming good" for a while yet...

Ridiculous start to the season for him, hopefully a bit of a kick up the arse. Got high hopes on him coming on leaps and bounds in his second year here, as so many others have before, but.......... Wouldn't bet my house on it, let's say!
 

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.............yep.........lightweight and unimposing.............the new McCeachran...........
Somewhat harsh on Jensen
 

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£3.5m. A coup when we signed him, very highly rated and I would guess one of our highest earners. He played for five minutes on Saturday, badly, but it was only five minutes. Keep the faith. He had some great moments last year and you don't have to go too far back in this thread to see him being lauded.
 

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He didn’t handle pressure at all well for seven minutes. That does not define his ability. He might well learn how. I think he will.
 

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How did you deduce that after seven minutes? What did he do/not do that gave you that impression?
He was closed down and hounded out of possession three times in the three minutes he actually played.
 

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He was closed down and hounded out of possession three times in the three minutes he actually played.
He was, but he wasn't the only one. If nothing else it should be a wake up call that this season teams will chase and kick and cheat even more than ever in order that we don't slaughter them as we've done before. If a few unqualified keyboard bashers can see that then surely our coaching staff can and will come up with a suitable strategy?

Shame Alan McCormack isn't in the team.
 

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How did you deduce that after seven minutes? What did he do/not do that gave you that impression?
Weren’t you watching? What I’m saying is seven minutes is not enough to make a sweeping concluding statement. Apologies accepted.
 

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The thing with him is he is a player who needs games to get this rhythm I reckon if he starts ten on the trot we will see a noticeable improvement

And btw say what you like about him, Ill never forget that pass to Watkins v Swansea in play off second leg as long as I live!
 

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A lot of the problems we had on saturday were self-inflicted. To play through a high press you need to move the ball quickly, one/two touch passes. You can only do that if you have options to pass to. We were unbelievably static for the first half hour. When it works it looks easy but it takes hard work off the ball and almost constant movement across the team. That wasn't happening at all on Saturday and that's when you end up with players turning into trouble as they can't move the ball on. Part of this is obviously missing Said as he often drifts into central areas and plays one-twos with Jensen/DaSilva/Marcondes to help move the ball quickly but a lot of it was just down to us not working hard enough off the ball. I'm sure Frank will have put them straight. Jensen is a quality player and just needs more consistency. Hopefully the injury is nothing serious as it's a big season for him..
 

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A lot of the problems we had on saturday were self-inflicted. To play through a high press you need to move the ball quickly, one/two touch passes. You can only do that if you have options to pass to. We were unbelievably static for the first half hour. When it works it looks easy but it takes hard work off the ball and almost constant movement across the team. That wasn't happening at all on Saturday and that's when you end up with players turning into trouble as they can't move the ball on. Part of this is obviously missing Said as he often drifts into central areas and plays one-twos with Jensen/DaSilva/Marcondes to help move the ball quickly but a lot of it was just down to us not working hard enough off the ball. I'm sure Frank will have put them straight. Jensen is a quality player and just needs more consistency. Hopefully the injury is nothing serious as it's a big season for him..
Spot on
This was evident against Stoke, Barnsley, Swansea first leg and Fulham too.
I watched Jensen often take a position with an opponent between him and the player in possession.
He lost the ball many times in those games too either through poor passing or caught in possession.
I frankly think he lost confidence and hid and was one of those that froze towards the end.

When he is in confident mood he is superb and a joy to watch, when he isn’t he’s a bit of a liability
 

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A quality player. But seems like he needs game time to get to his top level. When he isn't top level Marcondes is the better choice. Problem is Jensen can't get to top level without game time. He will be sold in a couple of years for a significant profit.
 

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When the three attackers are just stood waiting for a ball to be passed to them but with two players marking, it's impossible for any midfielder to pass forward. All three (or four, if you count in Marcondes) had this problem against Brum. Even Josh Dasilva, who normally would run on through with the ball, only did that couple of times because he was blocked physically, so gave up quite quickly and ended up passing backwards all the time.

The solution is twofold: firstly, the attackers have to keep moving and interchanging to move defenders about and create space... then they need to be moving into that space; secondly, the two 8's need to be prepared to run with the ball and make things happen. In these situations and with Sergi on the pitch, to me he should be dropping back because running with the ball is what he does but someone has got to go into the wide attacking position in his place, be it full back or midfielder. I've not seen enough of Baptiste to think he can do what Josh does but I hope he can, in which case, there may be a case for them together but it's still going to be totally reliant on the front three's movement.
 

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I thought he was pretty good (though obviously no Norgaard). He reminded me a lot of how Woods played DM.
 

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Very strong performance. Mathias at his best. Breaking up play, spraying pinpoint balls 40 yards, knitting play and starting counter attacks with quick passes.

Need some consistency now.
I agree. If he played like that most games he’d be one of the first names on the team sheet.
 

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He’s very good. He’s had a couple of soft games over the past year. That’s all. He was soft for five minutes against Brum and tried to do something about it in the wrong way. A panicky response and paid for it. Looks like he’s learned his lesson. Happens occasionally.
 
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Very strong performance. Mathias at his best. Breaking up play, spraying pinpoint balls 40 yards, knitting play and starting counter attacks with quick passes.

Need some consistency now.
Yep, one of his best performances, he done very well in the centre of the 3
 

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When he's good he's really good (as he was yesterday). When he's not ...

My main concern is that he appears to lack any real mental strength "when it matters" and is a bit of a fairy (note going down for an age yesterday when the ball hit him on the head).
 

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When he's good he's really good (as he was yesterday). When he's not ...

My main concern is that he appears to lack any real mental strength "when it matters" and is a bit of a fairy (note going down for an age yesterday when the ball hit him on the head).
That was odd, the ball certainly wasnt kicked hard into his head. It was a much better performance from him, I moaned when he lost the ball once and he battled for it and recovered it
 

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When he's good he's really good (as he was yesterday). When he's not ...

My main concern is that he appears to lack any real mental strength "when it matters" and is a bit of a fairy (note going down for an age yesterday when the ball hit him on the head).
Yes that was very embarrassing. I was half expecting to see an off the ball elbow incident on the replay.

I did think he had one of his better games yesterday though. Fantastic range of passing.
 

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