Mathias Jensen

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There will be a constantly redefined set of criteria that makes it impossible to give Jensen any credit. Let me explain:

You say:
Jensen played 60 mins at West Ham and we won
They say:
He didn’t start the match so it doesn’t count

You say:
Jensen played 70 mins against Watford and we won
They say:
We scored after he was subbed so it doesn’t count

You say:
Jensen played the full 90 mins v Bournemouth in the play offs and the full 90 v Swansea at Wembley.
They say:
That was last season so it doesn’t count

You say:
The stats show Jensen made more key passes (Burnley) or created more chances (Norwich) than any other Bees player
They say:
That’s a made up stat.

And so it repeats ad nauseam
Another…

You say:
Jensen created a good chance and in doing so deceived someone who’s played 45 times for England
They say:
It happened in the first half so it doesn’t count
 

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Just watched MOTD, I must admit what they showed in the first half he was pretty good with some good passing.

I guess his second half performance, which was v poor overall, cancelled that out in my mind so I apologise for only focusing on that.

@Banana and you say I'M unable to see a different point of view? Yawn. You probably spent all day scouring Twitter for that.

Don't bother replying, you'll only call me a **** or something.
 

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@Banana and you say I'M unable to see a different point of view? Yawn. You probably spent all day scouring Twitter for that.

Don't bother replying, you'll only call me a **** or something.
It popped-up on my timeline whilst I happened to be looking at it. The timeline will confirm. :cool:
 

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I'm not a big Jensen fan and I'm not a big Ghoddos fan. Both did well yesterday in an excellent team performance, and both have their good points, but I don't see either as having the necessary overall quality to help us build further. In MJ's case he is good in tight situations but a bit powderpuff in challenges (there were a couple of examples on the right side of the box just before he was subbed). His passing can be very good but also sometimes erratic, and he poses virtually no goal threat. I don't see voicing opinions about players as abuse -- this is a discussion board, after all.
These examples you are talking about… are they the ones I have just been looking at? Inside our own box, he decides not to lunge in where there would be a 50% chance of giving away a penalty? Bottler! 😂
 

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Hope Mathias is OK after Saturday.
Must’ve gone home absolutely gutted.
Puts in an absolute rock-solid performance and sets the foundation for a historic win only for Ivan and Bryan to miss absolute sitters in the last minute 😡😡😡
T*ssers.
Thankfully there’s a couple of extra days until the next game on Monday at OT and I know you must be gutted but please forgive (it happens, hey?), move on and get yourself in shape for Man U.
We need you in man 💋
 
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Dear @wibs

I’m sorry for calling you a ****.
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am ashamed to have reacted in such an aggressive manner.
It was uncalled for, and against the CoC.

I hope we can move on from this.
Billy Hunt
🐝🐝🐝
 

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I thought Jensen had a reasonable good match. Though I'm almost hoping he starts to play poorly for the remainder of the season, just so things can stay civil around here...
I think most did but the Jensen cult get annoyed if you mention anything about him.
 

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I think he’s bang average, but him and Canos get slack that borders onto abuse. People also don’t know when to praise him when he has a stormer, like the other day.
I always praise him if he’s done well but also think he’s not up to it, if I politely suggest that we’ve not won 2 out of the last 6, he started both, played well enough in both but possibly his best isn’t good enough to win games, it gets all snidey.😕
 

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I thought Jensen had a reasonable good match. Though I'm almost hoping he starts to play poorly for the remainder of the season, just so things can stay civil around here...
How does that work then? (Brentford fan in peace)
 

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In the interest of balance, could you find a clip of the much easier pass meant for Rico that both commentators (on the feed I was watching) said was “poor”.

Not meaning to dig MJ or anybody else out, but it would help to show why people have such wildly different opinions about the same player.
 

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In the interest of balance, could you find a clip of the much easier pass meant for Rico that both commentators (on the feed I was watching) said was “poor”.

Not meaning to dig MJ or anybody else out, but it would help to show why people have such wildly different opinions about the same player.
Not technically gifted at making clips, but if I were I would be able to find you quite a few such clips for him. And for Eriksen. And for everyone else in the squad. Even Raya!
 

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In the interest of balance, could you find a clip of the much easier pass meant for Rico that both commentators (on the feed I was watching) said was “poor”.

Not meaning to dig MJ or anybody else out, but it would help to show why people have such wildly different opinions about the same player.
... But in the interest of balance, here are two things which I have previously criticised Jensen for...

  • Floaty, aerial passes. I'm a massive fan of the pinged pass on the deck. The half second lost in flight, and in the extra care needed to control the ball, allow a defender to close down quicker.
  • Sometimes dawdles with his first couple of touches and can be unaware of impending pressure. V Millwall away (or might have been Reading?) he lost the ball in this way three times in the first minutes of the match (getting crocked with the third).
Plenty of evidence that he has worked on the above, but still remain an Achilles heal for him to work on.

On the other hand - some will be staggered to read this - I do not think that his aggression is a cause for concern. His press is aggressive, he wins the ball in the air, and, crucially, like all decent contemporary midfielders, he knows when and when not to make a challenge (preferably as infrequently as is possible).
 

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I always praise him if he’s done well but also think he’s not up to it, if I politely suggest that we’ve not won 2 out of the last 6, he started both, played well enough in both but possibly his best isn’t good enough to win games, it gets all snidey.😕
I also politely suggest that in 2 of those other games (Burnley and Watford) we were drawing until MJ came on as a substitute.

4 extra points from only 25 minutes of Jensen off the bench. Sounds excellent to me.
 

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I also politely suggest that in 2 of those other games (Burnley and Watford) we were drawing until MJ came on as a substitute.

4 extra points from only 25 minutes of Jensen off the bench. Sounds excellent to me.
All good bantz but in the end the one man who knows more about football and our players than anyone on here is picking MJ to play in our best season since before WW2 so it doesn’t really matter what we think of Jensen or his effectiveness/lack thereof beyond it fuelling chat on the GPG.
 

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Jensen is way way better than some give him credit for and always has been.
Agree.

Jensen's one of those players everyone notices when he's not playing well or makes a mistake, but never noticed when he is playing well or does something good.

That's the way of it.

He is a better player than a lot of people give him credit for, in my opinion.
 

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The funny thing is I actually think he is clearly a very technically good footballer.

I just struggle to see really what he actually adds to the team most games.
 

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I've said many good things about him on this thread, but obviously my overall feeling for him is clear.
 

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I've said many good things about him on this thread, but obviously my overall feeling for him is clear.
I think the time is now right for the two of you to go your separate ways. 😢 You know where we are if you need a shoulder. 😉
 

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Some thoughts on our central trio against Spurs last week, in what was the stand-out midfield performance of recent years. You don’t restrict a potent force such as theirs in such a complete manner by sheer good fortune!

Nominally you would say that Vitally sat at the base, with Christian and Mathias set up just to the left and right of him and maybe (again, nominally) slightly in advance. In practice this was a fluid and coordinated effort with all three effectively operating box-to-box, but never simultaneously.

There was a maturity about this performance which might have suggested that the three had played alongside each other for years. The understanding was telepathic. Whenever one ventured forward, another quickly plugged the vacated gap. Whenever one drifted wide to occupy space in attack, or close down a player in defence, the other two would shift as a pair to fill the void, like air into a vacuum.

The three were individually a threat going forward: CE and MJ with their lethal passing; VJ with his ability to get on the end of pass. But crucially, they never ventured forward together, with one or both of the others intelligently offering defensive cover so that, against Spurs’ rapid counter-attacking style, they were quickly in shape as protective blanket to shield the defence.

Mathias for his part, played a slightly different role to Christian who is to large extent excused the specifics of marking and pressing, in favour of keeping his head up take in the big picture. MJ, though, pressed aggressively; harried and tackled well; and, critically, knew when not to tackle. For example, just before being withdrawn, on 77 minutes, he could clearly be seen to pull out of a tackle in our own box, when his instinct seemed to be, at first, to lunge in. Thankfully, therefore, no penalty ensued, and a tiring MJ left the field intact, following an impressive shift.

Stats (mine)…. involvements (usually referred to as “touches” by the experts): 40. Actual touches of the ball: 66 (including three headers). CE weighed in with 58 and 90 respectively, so when you consider that MJ only played 77 minutes and that approximately 15 set-pieces are included in CE’s numbers, probably not too dissimilar. Maximum number of touches per involvement: 5 (same as CE). So he didn’t dwell on the ball as he did sometimes in his early days as a Bee.

He takes the plaudits for his full and effective part in the work of the three musketeers in the middle, but what differentiated him, for me, was the vision and craft of his passing. Whereas Christian’s passing was largely (not entirely) risk-averse, Mathias’ was imaginative, progressive and sometimes executed with such exquisite shape, that it entirely merits special mention. Given the slightly more adventurous nature of his passing, it’s probably not too surprising that his pass completion stats slightly lagged those of CE (76% versus 69% according to who scored.com).
 

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I think that, with CE in the midfield, everyone knows what his role and responsibilities are and are confident that he will carry them out. He also is there always as an outlet in possession. This means that the players around him can focus on their own game more without having to worry so much about what each other is doing.
 

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Some thoughts on our central trio against Spurs last week, in what was the stand-out midfield performance of recent years. You don’t restrict a potent force such as theirs in such a complete manner by sheer good fortune!

Nominally you would say that Vitally sat at the base, with Christian and Mathias set up just to the left and right of him and maybe (again, nominally) slightly in advance. In practice this was a fluid and coordinated effort with all three effectively operating box-to-box, but never simultaneously.

There was a maturity about this performance which might have suggested that the three had played alongside each other for years. The understanding was telepathic. Whenever one ventured forward, another quickly plugged the vacated gap. Whenever one drifted wide to occupy space in attack, or close down a player in defence, the other two would shift as a pair to fill the void, like air into a vacuum.

The three were individually a threat going forward: CE and MJ with their lethal passing; VJ with his ability to get on the end of pass. But crucially, they never ventured forward together, with one or both of the others intelligently offering defensive cover so that, against Spurs’ rapid counter-attacking style, they were quickly in shape as protective blanket to shield the defence.

Mathias for his part, played a slightly different role to Christian who is to large extent excused the specifics of marking and pressing, in favour of keeping his head up take in the big picture. MJ, though, pressed aggressively; harried and tackled well; and, critically, knew when not to tackle. For example, just before being withdrawn, on 77 minutes, he could clearly be seen to pull out of a tackle in our own box, when his instinct seemed to be, at first, to lunge in. Thankfully, therefore, no penalty ensued, and a tiring MJ left the field intact, following an impressive shift.

Stats (mine)…. involvements (usually referred to as “touches” by the experts): 40. Actual touches of the ball: 66 (including three headers). CE weighed in with 58 and 90 respectively, so when you consider that MJ only played 77 minutes and that approximately 15 set-pieces are included in CE’s numbers, probably not too dissimilar. Maximum number of touches per involvement: 5 (same as CE). So he didn’t dwell on the ball as he did sometimes in his early days as a Bee.

He takes the plaudits for his full and effective part in the work of the three musketeers in the middle, but what differentiated him, for me, was the vision and craft of his passing. Whereas Christian’s passing was largely (not entirely) risk-averse, Mathias’ was imaginative, progressive and sometimes executed with such exquisite shape, that it entirely merits special mention. Given the slightly more adventurous nature of his passing, it’s probably not too surprising that his pass completion stats slightly lagged those of CE (76% versus 69% according to who scored.com).
Errata! Apologies for misquoting my own statistics above. 😂 Christian Eriksen’s possession numbers v Spurs should read 72/136. I also misspelled Vitaly.
 

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That shot from Jensen near the end that could have gone in, I could feel half the people on this thread edging towards their keyboard as he ran up to strike it.

For the record I thought he was no worse out better than anyone tonight.
 

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I thought he was good when he came on, but obviously by then the game was lost.

Once again let down by poor finishing (a theme throughout the season) after he played an excellent ball through to Toney, who then slipped at the vital moment.
 

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