Unlikely Mykhailo Mudryk (Midfielder, Shakhtar Donetsk)

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Sign him at all costs. We have 0 creativity at the moment. Missing the days of BMW when we could expect pure genius out of nothing . Even like when we first signed Jota.
I think we need to let go the thought of recreating BMW and the swashbuckling of 19-20 for a while if we’re to be a PL team. In Toney, Wissa and Mbeumo we have the potential once all three are experienced at this level and performing but getting them all there this season is a tall order.

Even with BMW, we lost a lot of Championship games. The wins were great, the defeats to organised teams who closed out so many 1-0s showed even at that level the presence of and reliance on magicians pulling rabbits from a hat wasn’t enough. Who in the PL is succeeding with a similar set up? Around mid table maybe only Palace and they’ve taken a while to start getting there this season from a much more established base. Liverpool do it with Salah, Jota and Mane. Newcastle had it with Saint-Maximin, Joelinton and Wilson (combined cost heading towards £100m pre-Saudi ownership) and are in the bottom three.
 

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Different positions yes, but similar impact. Seems like one plays wing on the left and the other plays wing on the right, primarily. So it could be that they are pre-emptively making a move to replace the offensive contributions that they'll be losing.
But Mudryk is an inverted left winger so apparently both are right footed?
 
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This seems to be vascilating wildly between Madras and Onion Bhaji then back to Madras then Bhaji again. Crazy times.
 

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I think we need to let go the thought of recreating BMW and the swashbuckling of 19-20 for a while if we’re to be a PL team. In Toney, Wissa and Mbeumo we have the potential once all three are experienced at this level and performing but getting them all there this season is a tall order.

Even with BMW, we lost a lot of Championship games. The wins were great, the defeats to organised teams who closed out so many 1-0s showed even at that level the presence of and reliance on magicians pulling rabbits from a hat wasn’t enough. Who in the PL is succeeding with a similar set up? Around mid table maybe only Palace and they’ve taken a while to start getting there this season from a much more established base. Liverpool do it with Salah, Jota and Mane. Newcastle had it with Saint-Maximin, Joelinton and Wilson (combined cost heading towards £100m pre-Saudi ownership) and are in the bottom three.
My biggest concern here is that the Bee's three up front lack a lot of pace. Mbuemo is the only one who I would say looks fast. Toney isn't fast, but he doesn't need to be for his playstyle. Wissa always feels slow to me, but maybe that's because he doesn't press quite as aggressively as the others. Mudryk seems like he brings a level of pace and creativity that we are sorely lacking up front. Toney has clearly suffered this season from subpar service, and having a player that pulls attention away from him and can pass the ball intelligently would be a huge boon.
 

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My biggest concern here is that the Bee's three up front lack a lot of pace. Mbuemo is the only one who I would say looks fast. Toney isn't fast, but he doesn't need to be for his playstyle. Wissa always feels slow to me, but maybe that's because he doesn't press quite as aggressively as the others. Mudryk seems like he brings a level of pace and creativity that we are sorely lacking up front. Toney has clearly suffered this season from subpar service, and having a player that pulls attention away from him and can pass the ball intelligently would be a huge boon.
Though if we’re talking about pace, Benrahma wasn’t lightning fast either. The major difference is that all three of BMW had great control and that’s one element Toney doesn’t have as a primary strength (I’d say weakness but have been shot down for this months back!). Wissa has the ability in that regard but is still a way off doing it consistently. BMW were also supported by having JDS in the team and able to shoot earlier and from distance, something we don’t really have in the locker (though Vitaly did try it after his goal yesterday).

Maybe the answer is to look at bringing Sergi back wide left in a front three and playing Toney much further forward. If Henry is back soon, Roerslev is starting to show he can do the defensive work of a FB and that would mean we do have FBs to play rather than attack minded WBs so perhaps we can take a risk on going 433. But it would be a big tactical switch and TF is reluctant to do those other than as a last resort after a long planning period. I suspect that the plan may be just to stay as we are as we don’t need a lot of wins to stay up and then to switch to this next season with a couple of additions to the squad and Pontus back at Malmo.
 

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Though if we’re talking about pace, Benrahma wasn’t lightning fast either. The major difference is that all three of BMW had great control and that’s one element Toney doesn’t have as a primary strength (I’d say weakness but have been shot down for this months back!). Wissa has the ability in that regard but is still a way off doing it consistently. BMW were also supported by having JDS in the team and able to shoot earlier and from distance, something we don’t really have in the locker (though Vitaly did try it after his goal yesterday).

Maybe the answer is to look at bringing Sergi back wide left in a front three and playing Toney much further forward. If Henry is back soon, Roerslev is starting to show he can do the defensive work of a FB and that would mean we do have FBs to play rather than attack minded WBs so perhaps we can take a risk on going 433. But it would be a big tactical switch and TF is reluctant to do those other than as a last resort after a long planning period. I suspect that the plan may be just to stay as we are as we don’t need a lot of wins to stay up and then to switch to this next season with a couple of additions to the squad and Pontus back at Malmo.
I agree with everything you've said and I think you may well be right about this.
 

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Not active on him? Player in the media thanks Brentford for making an offer for him?
I’m not saying Lyall isn’t in the know but has he ever come through with any exclusive info?
 

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You mean I may have been learning how to make borscht to celebrate this signing for nothing?:cautious:
 

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Though if we’re talking about pace, Benrahma wasn’t lightning fast either. The major difference is that all three of BMW had great control and that’s one element Toney doesn’t have as a primary strength (I’d say weakness but have been shot down for this months back!). Wissa has the ability in that regard but is still a way off doing it consistently. BMW were also supported by having JDS in the team and able to shoot earlier and from distance, something we don’t really have in the locker (though Vitaly did try it after his goal yesterday).

Maybe the answer is to look at bringing Sergi back wide left in a front three and playing Toney much further forward. If Henry is back soon, Roerslev is starting to show he can do the defensive work of a FB and that would mean we do have FBs to play rather than attack minded WBs so perhaps we can take a risk on going 433. But it would be a big tactical switch and TF is reluctant to do those other than as a last resort after a long planning period. I suspect that the plan may be just to stay as we are as we don’t need a lot of wins to stay up and then to switch to this next season with a couple of additions to the squad and Pontus back at Malmo.

I agree, but while Bryan is quick, he's not rapid. Sergi is pretty slow for a wide attacker, too, though... I do feel like we've lacked a little pace on the counter, tbh. We've had a lot of half chances that could have been clear chances if we'd had a bit more pace up top.

Also feel like the midfield has also been lacking in creativity. Jensen is not that player, he's more of an enabler rather than someone who finds the killer pass, imo. Mudryk looks good.

Being able to chop and change would be wonderful, but I still don't understand why we've not seen much of Ghoddos in the 10 role...
 

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Pretty old and pointless information this from Sky, just confirming what we already knew, unless this offer is more than the ones that were apparently rejected.
He’s not caught up to that bit yet. I’m expecting a tweet from him tomorrow saying we’ve had 2 bids rejected and that the players has thanked Brentford for the offers but it’s up to the club
 

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He’s not caught up to that bit yet. I’m expecting a tweet from him tomorrow saying we’ve had 2 bids rejected and that the players has thanked Brentford for the offers but it’s up to the club
Maybe a quote or two from Rasmus as well.
 

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I agree, but while Bryan is quick, he's not rapid. Sergi is pretty slow for a wide attacker, too, though... I do feel like we've lacked a little pace on the counter, tbh. We've had a lot of half chances that could have been clear chances if we'd had a bit more pace up top.

Also feel like the midfield has also been lacking in creativity. Jensen is not that player, he's more of an enabler rather than someone who finds the killer pass, imo. Mudryk looks good.

Being able to chop and change would be wonderful, but I still don't understand why we've not seen much of Ghoddos in the 10 role...
I think we've not seen much of him in a 10 role because he has only looked good so far this season when he's been brought on as a sub. I don't think he's had a single good outing when he's started, but when he's used as a sub he does have better results.
 

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yes.. lets have a charity bet £20 we don't sign him .. ill send to a charity of your choice
I never said we would sign him, and I wouldn’t put money on us doing so. However it is clear there’s interest and that we’ve made an offer. If a thread about a player we want annoys you then simply don’t watch it.
 

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im fed up with all these bullshit threads
Better get used to it.

We are now a small fish in a big pond.

If we just target players we know we have the financial clout and the footballing reputation sign then we will simply be bringing players in that will not improve on what we already have and just bloat the squad. Look at Fulham last season.

I much prefer what we are doing instead. Targeting a higher standard of player knowing that only a very small minority of these targets will ever end up joining the club.

It can be frustrating when the media links us to exciting talents only for them to stay put or join other clubs. But whilst you’ll have plenty like Vanderson (who just seemed to use us as a stalking horse) you’ll get the odd gem like Mbeumo or Watkins, unbelievable signings, both of whom looked certain to join other clubs before the opportunity opened up for us to sign them.

Mudryk probably won’t end up as a Brentford player and there will be others we are linked to with similar stories but that doesn’t make our interest “bullshit”.
 

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Better get used to it.

We are now a small fish in a big pond.

If we just target players we know we have the financial clout and the footballing reputation sign then we will simply be bringing players in that will not improve on what we already have and just bloat the squad. Look at Fulham last season.

I much prefer what we are doing instead. Targeting a higher standard of player knowing that only a very small minority of these targets will ever end up joining the club.

It can be frustrating when the media links us to exciting talents only for them to stay put or join other clubs. But whilst you’ll have plenty like Vanderson (who just seemed to use us as a stalking horse) you’ll get the odd gem like Mbeumo or Watkins, unbelievable signings, both of whom looked certain to join other clubs before the opportunity opened up for us to sign them.

Mudryk probably won’t end up as a Brentford player and there will be others we are linked to with similar stories but that doesn’t make our interest “bullshit”.
We're goldfish in the bloody Atlantic more like.
 

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a very difficult window for us.

i would still be happy to keep our powder (ok, money!) dry for the summer and bring in a couple of loans with top tier experience to help get us through this difficult spell.

Chambers of Arsenal was available before last night's match but probably will now stay at the Emirates. Elneny after AfCon ?
 

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a very difficult window for us.

i would still be happy to keep our powder (ok, money!) dry for the summer and bring in a couple of loans with top tier experience to help get us through this difficult spell.

Chambers of Arsenal was available before last night's match but probably will now stay at the Emirates. Elneny after AfCon ?
Why would a couple of Arsenals reserves make a difference?
 

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Why would a couple of Arsenals reserves make a difference?
Every window will be a difficult window as we are shopping in a very different place now. Picking up gems like Benrahma for under market value is more difficult than ever partly due to Brexit of course .. we are competing with top prem and European teams so we are going to have to stump up the cash for players like Murdyk or we are inevitably going to miss out. I really hope we can add 1 exciting player this month to bolster the ranks but I’d say 70/30 we won’t.
 

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a very difficult window for us.

i would still be happy to keep our powder (ok, money!) dry for the summer and bring in a couple of loans with top tier experience to help get us through this difficult spell.

Chambers of Arsenal was available before last night's match but probably will now stay at the Emirates. Elneny after AfCon ?
I think that one can be filed with Doherty and Rose
 

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I think we've not seen much of him in a 10 role because he has only looked good so far this season when he's been brought on as a sub. I don't think he's had a single good outing when he's started, but when he's used as a sub he does have better results.
Aston Villa?
 

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Why all the doom and gloom?

We’re a Premier League club based in the most attractive part of the best capital city in Europe (certainly from a football perspective). We have a track record of developing young players, giving them game time and allowing them to move on to “bigger“ clubs if and when those players shine. We’ve got a smart coach and stable set-up where any prospective signing knows what he’s going to get… and knows that it’s not going to suddenly change overnight with flip-flops from panicked owners or directors. We’ve got a young multi-cultural squad with positive team spirit, and a strong bond with a supportive crowd in a new modern stadium. We’ll pay market rate for the job. And we have Peter Gilham to explain why we hate a certain nearby neighbour…

If I was a young player at a (relatively) smaller club overseas or in the UK, that would be an awful lot of ticks in the right boxes. Unless getting petrodollars immediately is my only desire - in which case I’d fail the ND test anyway - there are few clubs better placed to win my signature.
 
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