New Manager - Which players will he keep?

paulj

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Assuming the loanees return to their present clubs, players as follows the new manager should keep.

Kevin O'Connor
Gary Smith
Craig Pead - 2 yr Contract
Lee Thorpe - 2 yr Contract
Alan Connell
Glenn Poole
John Mousinho
Matt Heywood
Karleigh Osborne
Ross Montague
Simon Brown - 2 yr Contract
Charlie Ide

Team:

New Keeper
O'Connor Heywood New Player New Player

New Player Mousinho Smith Poole

Connell New Player

Subs: Pead, Thorpe, Ide, Osborne, Brown

At least 5 new players needed
 

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Where is the money coming from to pay these new players if the discarded ones won't leave?

What attraction are we to players from either higher division(s) or non-league?

The new man will have to work hard on the board and the players to sign any one of significance.
 

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I'd be very surprised if Brown was replaced in goal, and if Osborne isn't given a run in the team he will never fulfill his potential. Agree with the rest though.
 

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another blinding thread..........................

as BFC is owned by the supporters, do we have as much influence on the team and contracts as say Ebbsfleet United?

what bo££ox
 

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another blinding thread..........................

as BFC is owned by the supporters, do we have as much influence on the team and contracts as say Ebbsfleet United?

what bo££ox


Supporters they may be, but people who know how to run a football club they ain't...
 

wanderer paul

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Supporters they may be, but people who know how to run a football club they ain't...

with the changes that have taken place recently, i bet it'll get better, as for which players to keep......................just a total waste of time. as if we have a say.
 

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Bearing in mind these players are so poor maybe get rid of all of them and start again with the exceptions of

Kevin O'Connor - give him a single season more under new management
Gary Smith- ditto

Alan Connell- best player we have
Glenn Poole- shows signs but needs 300% increase in work rate
Matt Heywood- captain

Ross Montague- single season
Simon Brown - 2 yr Contract
Charlie Ide- find out what is wrong with him
 

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Apart from the loanees, Shakes and Partridge, they all have contracts to the end of the season at least, so a new manager can't get rid of anyone unless (a) another club comes in or (b) we pay them off. Given form, (a) is unlikely in almost all cases, and we save little by (b). So most are with us until the end of the season at least.

More worryingly, most are on contracts with another full season to run. I think that includes Brown, O'Connor, Mackie, Osborne, Charles, Pead, Ide, Mousinho, Connell and Thorpe (and possibly Masters).

On current/recent form, the only ones I'd want to keep of those are Connell and Mousinho (I'd keep Kev if he were cheaper)
 

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I think that this is a reasonable thread as once again we have screwed up by a too late sacking & not appointing a manager in time to make significant changes.

We should not keep Sinclair - worse than Ryan Peters by far - and Shakes. If Starosta & Moore go there are plenty of gaps in an already weak squad. This takes into account the fact that Carder-Andrews, Peters & Dark are names that are unlikely to appear on the 1st team roster.

I only hope that any new manager has sufficient contacts and knowledge to get sufficient replacements/loans in time to save us from relegation. At best there is a need to generate some excitement as the crowds will drift way as there is less & less to play for.

Imo the best that we can hope for is that we are safe with 5-6 games left, & then we can see if the youngsters above & perhaps a few from the current youth team can cut it at Div 2 level without the pressure of relegation hanging over them
 

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At best there is a need to generate some excitement as the crowds will drift way as there is less & less to play for.

I don't think we will get relegated, our team IS better than that. As for excitement, Poole's goal on wednesday was enough to ensure I will be back tomorrow!
I'm confident that if we get the right manager in, this team can more than hold their own in this league. If we also get a manager with nouse in the market, then we could even end up with quite a good team.
If you look throughout this league, it is mediocre in almost its entirety. Everyone is in the same situation as us really, only some have a bit more money to throw around, and others don't.
 

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Apart from Heywood (player of the season so far, from what I've heard) and the wasters on 2 year contracts, which we have to keep unless we can con some poor buggers to take them of our hands, we should get shot of the rest of them.

Not practicuale (sp) I know as who do we get to replace them?
 

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Ubee,

Your points are valid & that is why the new managerial appointment is so important.

At best it appears unlikely that we will see a new manager before the 2nd week in January however, & we have some v difficult games coming up. The lower we are in the league the less attractive we are to prospective signings/loanees & whoever gets the job will have his work cut out.

Our team. imo, is not any better than the position we are in but without decent reinforcements our squad (not team, squad) is very weak and unbalanced & it is only the poor quality of the league that gives us hope. An injury to Heywood for example would leave a huge hole at present & a number of our players, including MH, do not have good records with injuries in recent years.
 

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I would love to see a motivational manager work with what we have got as, even under Butcher, the players have shown an abilty to pass the ball that has come as a suprise!!

Unfortunately the passing has fallen at the last hurdle due, in my opinion, to the failure of our attacking players ( all of them) to make telling runs. That being the case I genuinley beleive that a new manager has something to work with but think it is vital that it is someone new and not tainted with any of the players, thus ruling out MA ( although I would like him to return) as we need someone with no preconceived opinions of the ability of any of the squad.

I would love to hang on to Connell, Poole, Smith, Heywood, both loanee defenders (unlikely) Charles ( as I think there is a footballer in there) Mousinio,and.......well thats about it really the rest are no better than anything else thats available and, before someone points out that I have missed out Kev I will accept that he has ability but he seems to lack heart and fight both of which I beleive are very necessary for the rest of our season.
 

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I would hazard a guess that at least two of our players will attract interest in January and move on and we could be really in the black stuff if that prediction works out. That is not too mention the almost certain departure of Moore, (DW has been seen twice at GP recently) and the possible end to contracts for Shakes, the return to Forest for Emile certainly no Heskey, the absence for two games of Starosta, and the injuries to Mackie and Mousinho.
 

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I would hazard a guess that at least two of our players will attract interest in January and move on and we could be really in the black stuff if that prediction works out. That is not too mention the almost certain departure of Moore, (DW has been seen twice at GP recently) and the possible end to contracts for Shakes, the return to Forest for Emile certainly no Heskey, the absence for two games of Starosta, and the injuries to Mackie and Mousinho.

I'm at a loss to work out which two players might 'attract interest' . :confused:
 

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Seaton Bee - can you please stop doing Dickens's ;leaks for him
 

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I doubt if the transfer window will allow for more than 2/3 out and 2/3 in but in truth a (half) decent striker and centre half will probably see us safe this season before a bigger rebuild can take place in the summer.

That shouldn't require the new manager to be a genius to achieve that..
 

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I would hazard a guess that at least two of our players will attract interest in January and move on and we could be really in the black stuff if that prediction works out. That is not too mention the almost certain departure of Moore, (DW has been seen twice at GP recently) and the possible end to contracts for Shakes, the return to Forest for Emile certainly no Heskey, the absence for two games of Starosta, and the injuries to Mackie and Mousinho.




The players to attract most interest I reckon would be Brown,Mackie, and Thorpe the 2 yr contract men, :sneakoff:
 
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Why would anyone leave.

There could possibly be a smattering of interest in Heywood and O'Connor but Ide has shot his bolt at least for the time being.

No-one is going to come in for our supposed stars on 2 year deals so Messrs Pead, Brown, Mackie, Thorpe will be going nowhere - and why should they if the club was foolish enough to offer them long term security. We are stuck with them barring a miracle.

Maybe we might manage to get shot of some total deadwood like Peters and Tillen but it might take a contract buyout of some sort.

As for Shakes - maybe his cameo at Wrexham has saved him and he will earn a contract extension.

Who knows what plans their own clubs have for Starosta and Moore but I suspect that we will have perhaps 4 loan places to fill as well as the flotsam we are able to attract to the club.
 

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Why would anyone leave.

There could possibly be a smattering of interest in Heywood and O'Connor but Ide has shot his bolt at least for the time being.

No-one is going to come in for our supposed stars on 2 year deals so Messrs Pead, Brown, Mackie, Thorpe will be going nowhere - and why should they if the club was foolish enough to offer them long term security. We are stuck with them barring a miracle.

Maybe we might manage to get shot of some total deadwood like Peters and Tillen but it might take a contract buyout of some sort.

As for Shakes - maybe his cameo at Wrexham has saved him and he will earn a contract extension.

Who knows what plans their own clubs have for Starosta and Moore but I suspect that we will have perhaps 4 loan places to fill as well as the flotsam we are able to attract to the club.

christ, what a mess

there's going to have to be some shrewd and incisive business done
in the transfer window by the new manager or we could be in trouble

i do hope there are better options out there than shakes.
a ten minute cameo at wrexham surely doesn't justify a contract?
 

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Glenn Poole- shows signs but needs 300% increase in work rate
IMO he does have the work rate, he's just not supported by the players around him. On Wednesday when the ball was cleared he got forward to meet their midfield/defence and was followed by no one (despite my best efforts at screaming GET OUT at them, again sorry to the scared kids directly in front of me). I saw him yelling at his teammates to get out with him on at least 3 occasions. If we had a couple more players with the attitude and application of Glenn Poole we'd be a lot better for it.

Not sure about the people calling for Brown to be got rid of, he's made some great saves so far this season and is a good keeper to keep us out of the mire at this level. When we have lost heavily it's because our defence and midfield have stood still and given him no chance, like on Wednesday when they came out for the 2nd half with concrete boots on. Brown does often look like he's in love with his goal line, but that's improved vastly in recent matches and his confidence seems to have grown. Masters still lacks the ability to keep his head and not dick around.

What I do think we have for the most part is the core of a young and inexperienced team that's gradually coming together (save a few who aren't the answer or have lost their mojo) i.e. Brown, Heywood, Osborne, Charles, O'Connor, Smith, Poole, Connell. Mousinho I haven't seen enough of this season but he's certainly a necessary option. Tillen looked up for it against the fans and I'd like to see him play if he puts in the training time and is the best option for the job, there's no point keeping him on the bench due to problems with 2 past managers if he shows the application, it would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. We also have some very good prospects in the youth team who we don't need to immediately drag into the first team a'la Ide, we can bring their skills on a bit and try them out in a few games at the end of this season if there's nothing to play for and see how they do.
If the majority of these players stick around instead of having our annual end of season sale, next season they'll be a fairly potent L2 force with a couple of talented strikers and another midfielder. We're not going up without a miracle and we're not going down because despite what many say we aren't that bad, but hopefully January will see some nice belated Christmas presents.

A new manager will not have a fire sale, because we can't afford to replace. By the same token, just because players are on 2 year contracts, doesn't mean you can't sell them, you just have to find a willing mug to take them off your hands. "FOR SALE - 2 experienced professional footballers... bargain price"
 
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