New Road: How has it Changed?

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One for fans aged 50+, I would say...

I've been coming to GP for just over 28 years and have always been intrigued about what the New Road Stand looked like, before it was 'shrunk'. I know there is still old framework behind the stand and spent many years there before the seats were put in. I have the Big Book of Griffin Park, so obviously, I know what it looked like from a distance when it was packed.

In particular, I wonder does anyone have any photos from when work was done on it to demolish the 'back' part of the stand. And how did this the rear terracing work with the existing framework? Did it sit level with it with a higher roof? Was it wooden terracing? What was underneath it? I can't quite envisage it. If no photos, is it possible for someone to describe how it was? Thanks.
 

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Wooden terracing. Same exits. Nothing underneath, just the walkway. Roof was same height. It was shut off around 1974ish.

I’d love to see if anyone has pictures of it through time too..... maybe @rebus has seen some?! :suspect:
 

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Wooden terracing. Same exits. Nothing underneath, just the walkway. Roof was same height. It was shut off around 1974ish.

I’d love to see if anyone has pictures of it through time too..... maybe @rebus has seen some?! :suspect:

Yes, a continuous terrace from the bottom to the top. When fenced off with chicken wire for ages, so perfectly viewable (as it were).

Not sure if the roof profile has changed or not.
 

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Always wondered about the exits. They are all at the back now but the pictures I have seen look like the middle exit was lower.

https://images.app.goo.gl/EJVRnPvoDYA133Vx9

Yes, I noticed that too. And if the old wooden terrace sat on the existing frame behind the current stand, then if you were at the back, you'd only be able to stand up if you were 4' tall! That's why I wondered whether the back section of the roof was higher, as well as wider?
 

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Always wondered about the exits. They are all at the back now but the pictures I have seen look like the middle exit is lower down.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/d9/4c/03d94c665f2a905937735b6ed99e3926.jpg

The exits are still the same. The middle was lower. But the middle exit now is in the same place, I believe. I’m sure the steps up into the stand haven’t changed places. The roof is the same. The pillars have never been changed. It’s the same height.
 

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Yes, I noticed that too. And if the old wooden terrace sat on the existing frame behind the current stand, then if you were at the back, you'd only be able to stand up if you were 4' tall! That's why I wondered whether the back section of the roof was higher, as well as wider?

The back roof is different to now. The front of the roof is the same.
 

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The exits are still the same. The middle was lower. But the middle exit now is in the same place, I believe

There's one exit on that picture that looks lower than the others. Not sure that's the same as today. No?
 

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There used to be a maasive entrance in the middle that was surrounded by singers. This shrunk and moved backwards when the stand became seating.
 

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There's one exit on that picture that looks lower than the others. Not sure that's the same as today. No?

Yes. I’m saying that the exits now, I believe, are in the same place, even if they’re further back. The gaps in the stand are still the old ones I’m pretty sure of that.

It’s finding the right pictures to put up against each other to compare.
 

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Yes. I’m saying that the exits now, I believe, are in the same place, even if they’re further back. The gaps in the stand are still the old ones I’m pretty sure of that.

It’s finding the right pictures to put up against each other to compare.
I'm pretty sure the entrances are much higher up. I enter through the middle steps and am certain we didn't have to walk up an outside staircase to get in. Maybe a few steps. It was a much wider entrance with high side walls. You could get out at both ends with high terracing joining onto the Royal Oak. On reflection apart from the centre entrance and the 2 ends I'm not sure there were other entrances into New Road. Anyone else?
 
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There used to be a maasive entrance in the middle that was surrounded by singers. This shrunk and moved backwards when the stand became seating.

I think that must be right. When I first started coming in 1991, I used to stand near the front and I've got no recollection of climbing stairs to get into NR stand. I do remember the segregated fencing in NR mentioned elsewhere though.
 

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There used to be a maasive entrance in the middle that was surrounded by singers. This shrunk and moved backwards when the stand became seating.

When it became all seater Hate Corner was formed.
 
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There used to be a maasive entrance in the middle that was surrounded by singers. This shrunk and moved backwards when the stand became seating.

Mick P. and the twins' lot were to the left, Harold Bishop and the younger lot to the right. Some very strange characters (prone to moaning) at the very back.

Lovely curved barriers either side of the stairs.

Definitely had to climb a few steps to get in. I ended up stewarding that staircase for a couple of seasons - 1990-92. I had a great view and no-one caused any bother.
 

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Looking at pictures.
The big entrance was on the halfway line right in middle of what is now N504, so must have been sealed off. There seems to have only been three other entrances, one on the East side and two on the West. I think these are retained but have been added to as now 8?
 

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Mick P. and the twins' lot were to the left, Harold Bishop and the younger lot to the right. Some very strange characters (prone to moaning) at the very back.

Lovely curved barriers either side of the stairs.

Definitely had to climb a few steps to get in. I ended up stewarding that staircase for a couple of seasons - 1990-92. I had a great view and no-one caused any bother.

What happened to the Pettifers * spelling *
All good lads. Crazy fun days.
Good job I've grown old and sensible. Great to have you back on here mate. At least someone likes me. Lol.
 

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Always wondered about the exits. They are all at the back now but the pictures I have seen look like the middle exit is lower down.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/d9/4c/03d94c665f2a905937735b6ed99e3926.jpg

Wow that brings memories flooding back. Sitting on a crash barrier being surrounded by my late brother Peter and his mates from 1963 - 64 season. We always stood 3/4s of the way up just to the left of the halfway line. Crazy thing was we used to get to the ground at 1 for a 3.15 kick off, just loved hanging around there. I was carried on a cross bar from Greenford by my brother!!!!
 

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I didn't stand on New Road but splashed in the moat when changing ends at half time. I'll never forget the sound when New Road got going of feet pounding on the wooden terracing. That was the Brentford roar for me.
 
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What happened to the Pettifers * spelling *
All good lads. Crazy fun days.
Good job I've grown old and sensible. Great to have you back on here mate. At least someone likes me. Lol.

Mick found a lady and settled down.
The twins are still about. One works at the West Mid. The other has had pretty serious health problems, but is okay. I see them a lot at work.
 

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...how did this the rear terracing work with the existing framework? Did it sit level with it with a higher roof?

Found this photo of the extended roof from the rear - never realised it was flat.

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Fans must have been able to virtually touch the roof at the back and I see from the other angle that there were gaps at the top underneath the roof.
 
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In the very late 1980s...

After the final whistle, ISB and myself would hang around, kicking Panda Pops bottles around the empty terrace.
The smell of sweet pipe tobacco from the elderly gentlemen who stood nearer the Brook rd.
The flooded bottom step.
Dad's carrying milk crates for their sons to stand on.
Leaving New rd. via the Family Stand (Brook rd.) - used to walk all the way round to the Braemar and into the clubshop or the programme shed, then back toward the dressing rooms to wait for the players and get some autographs.

In the 1990s...
Half-time smoko sitting on the wall opposite the turnstiles
Hate Corner and mocking the away fans
Celebrating nearly every goal by clambering onto the bit round the edge of the pitch
 

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Found this photo of the extended roof from the rear - never realised it was flat.

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Fans must have been able to virtually touch the roof at the back and I see from the other angle that there were gaps at the top underneath the roof.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the flat bit sloped forwards, staying roughly parallel to the slope of the wooden terracing.
 

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Mick found a lady and settled down.
The twins are still about. One works at the West Mid. The other has had pretty serious health problems, but is okay. I see them a lot at work.
Last time I saw Mick at GP was at the Luton game in 2009, when he was making his way onto the pitch.
 

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In the very late 1980s...

After the final whistle, ISB and myself would hang around, kicking Panda Pops bottles around the empty terrace.
The smell of sweet pipe tobacco from the elderly gentlemen who stood nearer the Brook rd.
The flooded bottom step.
Dad's carrying milk crates for their sons to stand on.
Leaving New rd. via the Family Stand (Brook rd.) - used to walk all the way round to the Braemar and into the clubshop or the programme shed, then back toward the dressing rooms to wait for the players and get some autographs.

In the 1990s...
Half-time smoko sitting on the wall opposite the turnstiles
Hate Corner and mocking the away fans
Celebrating nearly every goal by clambering onto the bit round the edge of the pitch
Memories Billy.


It's suddenly got dusty in here.
 

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GP really was a wonderful ground back before stands started shrinking and disappearing. :(
 

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Talking of memories, was it ever possible to walk around the entire ground, from stand to stand? I know that back when I started going regularly (November 1966) me and my mates would stand behind whichever goal we were attacking in the first half, and then just change ends for the second half. I am pretty sure we always went via the New Road, as I don't believe it was ever possible to walk round via the Braemar? Or does my aging memory deceive me?!
 

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You could walk around the ground. Braemar you had to pay a small fee to enter that stand, via Brook Road. Not too sure from Ealing Road to Braemar Road though? Don’t remember doing it. Did Brook to New to Ealing many many times!
 

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You could walk around the ground. Braemar you had to pay a small fee to enter that stand, via Brook Road. Not too sure from Ealing Road to Braemar Road though? Don’t remember doing it. Did Brook to New to Ealing many many times!

Yes, I'm pretty sure we walked all the way round, from behind one goal to behind the other. and if you had to pay to go via Braemar, we would definitely have gone via New Road!
 

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Maybe a permanent limp but GP still massively special for me

Absolutely mate, but everytime I look at the Eendy House I think back to what was there before it.
Just imagine a full Oak in full cry.
 

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Apologies if they've been posted before, but found these three photos of "The new grandstands being erected at the Brentford Football Club's ground, London, following their promotion to the First Division" (Taken by David Savill on 10th July 1935; Getty Images).
 

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Yes. Royal Oak was extended. New Road had a roof put on it. Braemar Road extended. Probably the best time to have been a Bee, apart from now?! :)
 

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with groundsman!
 

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and, last but definitely not least....
 

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Absolutely mate, but everytime I look at the Eendy House I think back to what was there before it.
Just imagine a full Oak in full cry.

I always remember a game in 83-4 season . We stayed up but there was a crucial midweek against Rotherham i think , 3352 was the crowd but all seemed to be in Oak second half. We won 2-1 and the crowd sounded like 15000
 
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I always remember a game in 83-4 season . We stayed up but there was a crucial midweek against Rotherham i think , 3352 was the crowd but all seemed to be in Oak second half. We won 2-1 and the crowd sounded like 15000

God I remember those times only too well. Wasn't it demoralising being into a ground that theoretically could still hold 38,000 with just 3,500 in it. No wonder Martin Lange come up with his shrinking ground plan selling off surplus space to reduce debt. Short sighted looked at from our position now perhaps but if he had not done that would we even be existence now. Probably not as a league club and probably not still at GP and I'm not talking about a LR looky likey
 

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You could walk around the ground. Braemar you had to pay a small fee to enter that stand, via Brook Road. Not too sure from Ealing Road to Braemar Road though? Don’t remember doing it. Did Brook to New to Ealing many many times!

Plenty of supporters moved from one end to the other to be behind the goals BEES were shooting into.
 

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Oh the memories. Loads of us used to stand at the big steel bar gates at the players entrance and wait for the teams to run out on to the pitch. Usually it was the oppo first to emerge and you could hear the clatter of studs on the concrete floor as they came down the corridor from the away dressing rooms (always remember quite a few perms in the late secentimes 😀) followed by the mighty Bees . Then the ref and linesman would come out of their little room and we'd wait for the toss up before legging it to ER or BR where ever we were kicking towards. All change at half time no problem.
 

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Oh the memories. Loads of us used to stand at the big steel bar gates at the players entrance and wait for the teams to run out on to the pitch. Usually it was the oppo first to emerge and you could hear the clatter of studs on the concrete floor as they came down the corridor from the away dressing rooms (always remember quite a few perms in the late secentimes ��) followed by the mighty Bees . Then the ref and linesman would come out of their little room and we'd wait for the toss up before legging it to ER or BR where ever we were kicking towards. All change at half time no problem.

I've got something in my eye again.
 

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Your not proper Brentford unless you used to splash about in the stream of piss and fag ends at the front of New Rd while your old man was slurping in the Bricklayers.
 

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I watched a league game for the only time in 40 years from the Braemar yesterday thanks to a gentleman on this forum.
I have to say the New Road looked fantastic, full and crackling with energy, as did the whole ground.
Wish I’d tried it years ago.
 

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Your not proper Brentford unless you used to splash about in the stream of piss and fag ends at the front of New Rd while your old man was slurping in the Bricklayers.

:wave:

Remember doing that at a reserve Midweek League Game, when a Bees player, from memory it was Dave Silman, ended up in it after chasing a ball over towards new Road.
 

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Somehow miss ed this thread but talk about happy memories .swapping ends from Royal Oak to Ealing road at half time either via the boards at back of New road from side exit from Royal Oak ,or the gangway under the new road stand to Ealing road past the little food shack underneath some used the front of new road along ng pitch side but normally the first few bits of terracing were all under water ,high side doc martins weren’t tall enough so got soaked lol
 

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My brother reminded me of the time we were standing down the front of the New Road and he shot the back of the linesman's legs with a plastic pellet gun. He was about 10. He still hasn't grown up. He's 50 this year.
 

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Somehow miss ed this thread but talk about happy memories .swapping ends from Royal Oak to Ealing road at half time either via the boards at back of New road from side exit from Royal Oak ,or the gangway under the new road stand to Ealing road past the little food shack underneath some used the front of new road along ng pitch side but normally the first few bits of terracing were all under water ,high side doc martins weren’t tall enough so got soaked lol
................jumpers for goalposts??????.................
 
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