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I think this is the best possible announcement that the club could make at this time. My personal finances have just taken an unaccounted for, significant, if modest upturn, so everything should be love and hunky dory. Any mention of IFollow, however will result in me snapping my handbag shut shut and glowering at the top of the stairs from the opposite side of Braemar Road. Bring on your Section 55s. My lip might even quiver. Especially if anybody tries to convince me that it worked perfectly well for them
 

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I've got little sympathy for anyone who attends every game and isn't an ST holder.
I have sympathy as there are those who's cashflow only permits it. I don't have sympathy for those who say they are outside the system, as, even if your financial position does not allow a ST, being a member and buying tickets through the club will give you the history. If it is at all possible, the club should facilitate those with that type of record, IMHO, but it can't be a big number.
 

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I have sympathy as there are those who's cashflow only permits it. I don't have sympathy for those who say they are outside the system, as, even if your financial position does not allow a ST, being a member and buying tickets through the club will give you the history. If it is at all possible, the club should facilitate those with that type of record, IMHO, but it can't be a big number.
There was the finance option to assist those with cash-flow issues. Ultimately everyone knows it's a risk not to have an ST when it comes to the 'big' games and obviously Covid is something no one could plan for but it's only right that ST holders will be looked after before members who have currently not put any money into the club for the forthcoming season.
 

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I have just read that the Premiership will look more favourable on newer ground to increase fans level. Here’s hoping that the Championship follows
 

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I have just read that the Premiership will look more favourable on newer ground to increase fans level. Here’s hoping that the Championship follows
It won't be up to the football authorities to make the final decision. They will offer guidance and maximum numbers.

The local Safety Advisory Group will determine how many people are allowed in.
 

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I have just read that the Premiership will look more favourable on newer ground to increase fans level. Here’s hoping that the Championship follows
It's about access. Most modern stadia have much better flow management for fans, particularly when leaving, so social distancing is easier to manage and the SGSA and local authority will take this into account when setting limits and procedures.
 

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There was the finance option to assist those with cash-flow issues. Ultimately everyone knows it's a risk not to have an ST when it comes to the 'big' games and obviously Covid is something no one could plan for but it's only right that ST holders will be looked after before members who have currently not put any money into the club for the forthcoming season.
Being of very senior citizenship I survive and manage from a limited income, I have supported them for close on 70 years and am a club member with a history, so I will get some chance of seeing them in the new ground, of course ST holder should get first bite, I have not put money up front for this coming season, but will do so as usual on a match to match basis.

The offer of a finance option was a fair one, but even with that I had a choice of that or renewing my golf club membership, It was a very hard choice and I have to think of my health so walking 15 miles a week playing 3 rounds of golf won, as I can't get any exercise sitting down watching football, so I will take my chance with whatever games I can attend, I have ifollow (for what its worth) also been very lucky in finding a live stream using a VPN for most of our matches, so all is not lost.
 

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Wow - you seem to have missed the point in a big way...
No, I don't think so.
I've been going for a long, long time but for financial reasons, home proximity this is my first year with a ST.
I'm lucky enough to have a 1/4 share in one so hopefully I'll have a 25% chance of a 33% chance of going in October.
That's only an 8.25% chance or 1 game in 12 so a slim chance but I'm happy as I will go, Inshallah (and it's a darn sight more chance than going on a tour of GP).

At the moment approx 2/3rds of LR is STH's and 1/3rd tickets - why can't the same proportions be applied for this limited availability using TAP's?
Guess we've got to keep all the JCL ex-Chelsea fans somehow happy though.
 

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It won't be up to the football authorities to make the final decision. They will offer guidance and maximum numbers.

The local Safety Advisory Group will determine how many people are allowed in.
Hope that they take note of most of the ground. I can see a problem arising around access to Kew Bridge Station
 
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No, I don't think so.
I've been going for a long, long time but for financial reasons, home proximity this is my first year with a ST.
I'm lucky enough to have a 1/4 share in one so hopefully I'll have a 25% chance of a 33% chance of going in October.
That's only an 8.25% chance or 1 game in 12 so a slim chance but I'm happy as I will go, Inshallah (and it's a darn sight more chance than going on a tour of GP).

At the moment approx 2/3rds of LR is STH's and 1/3rd tickets - why can't the same proportions be applied for this limited availability using TAP's?
Guess we've got to keep all the JCL ex-Chelsea fans somehow happy though.
Because they can get more STHers in if they allocate them all the stadium :shrug:
 

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What's our typical percentage of season ticket holders showing up each game? I'd guess it's no more than 75%?

We have to put a system in place where ST holders actively state their availability to attend on a match-by-match basis. We cannot have seats allocated to people who don't attend, when there will be others wanting (and deserving) to fill those seats.
 

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No, I don't think so.
I've been going for a long, long time but for financial reasons, home proximity this is my first year with a ST.
I'm lucky enough to have a 1/4 share in one so hopefully I'll have a 25% chance of a 33% chance of going in October.
That's only an 8.25% chance or 1 game in 12 so a slim chance but I'm happy as I will go, Inshallah (and it's a darn sight more chance than going on a tour of GP).

At the moment approx 2/3rds of LR is STH's and 1/3rd tickets - why can't the same proportions be applied for this limited availability using TAP's?
Guess we've got to keep all the JCL ex-Chelsea fans somehow happy though.
Ok so you have a ST then - exactly my point, the gentleman in question didn't after 44 years. I don't know his personal circumstances but no ST = no matches. If you don't have a ST don't expect to be able to go to limited capacity matches - it is exactly the same as away games where ST holders get first dibs and if there are any tickets left they go to members first and so on.

In your proposal you are giving a 1/3rd of non-ST holders priority over ST holders which is not going to happen - the fact is ST holders have paid in advance to attend every game and members etc have not
 

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Ron Noades was a visionary, target 10,000, mission accomplished lol
I can see the headline now: Brentford's new ticketing system delivers Noades' vision.
 

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on points ? or had a ST for last 5 years?
Tricky one - TAP's would be fairest to me but you also have people who have spent considerably more this season than before to be in the Premium areas who may not get a chance using TAP's. I can see the logic behind treating all equally, after all we have all paid to attend games this season and it is the first season the current stadium so maybe a clean slate is required in the circumstances.
 

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Tricky one - TAP's would be fairest to me but you also have people who have spent considerably more this season than before to be in the Premium areas who may not get a chance using TAP's. I can see the logic behind treating all equally, after all we have all paid to attend games this season and it is the first season the current stadium so maybe a clean slate is required in the circumstances.
TAP's weight very heavily to those that go to away games which many home fans do not have the wherewithal to travel to. The more complex the club tries to make it, the more objections fans will have.
 

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I don’t envy any Club trying to sort out the problem of organising who gets to attend games, presumably there will be guidance from both the Football Authorities and the government. I would imagine that decisions taken will, by the very nature of the problem, be extremely fluid.

I am sure there will be a number of people who believe they can make a case as to why they should be preferred over others and I can fully understand their frustrations if they have been following the club for many years but have not invested in a ST

For those fans we are now in the same position as the “ big boys” are in a normal season where tickets for games are as rare as hens teeth.

ST holders are in a different situation and there will be a logistical nightmare in trying to satisfy everyone. As a starting point the club need to find out from fans any games that they know they can’t attend. Following that a simple lottery for game 1 and for the next game a lottery for those that were not fortunate etc etc.

For those with families with more than one ST it becomes more problematic and once again it requires proper management and perhaps the club meets to get on the front foot now and establish who fits into that category and make one of the group the main ST holder and that is the one entered into the draw.

I have no doubt that whatever the club do, and similarly for the other 91 clubs, it will not please everyone and the level of criticism will rise as matches take place and fans feel aggrieved that they have not had the chance to attend games.

I made my decision about not renewing my ST after 40 plus years and as such, despite TAPS and a long standing record with the clubs have no issue with the fact that I will not have a chance for a rare visit to watch. Unfortunately those without ST’s are in the same position as me and regrettably will just have to live with it until restrictions change
 

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Offering the option of allowing the value of non attended matches to be deducted from the 21/22 season ticket cost should be offered as an alternative to the iFollow pass in lieu of games. This keeps cash in the business and will lock in the 11,000 season tickets we have into the following year. Although it will slightly hit cash flow longer term it works well for the coming season.

I appreciated the iFollow pass for the run-in during lockdown but it is not as attractive for what looks like the duration of a season.
 

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There was the finance option to assist those with cash-flow issues. Ultimately everyone knows it's a risk not to have an ST when it comes to the 'big' games and obviously Covid is something no one could plan for but it's only right that ST holders will be looked after before members who have currently not put any money into the club for the forthcoming season.
....me and my mate have both been new rd regulars for many years...as you probably know mate...we...nor our kids....have STs for LR....primarily because BFC weren't able to sell us 5 STs for where we wanted to be...N121....it's no big deal...we'll be back 21/22 season lol
 

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....me and my mate have both been new rd regulars for many years...as you probably know mate...we...nor our kids....have STs for LR....primarily because BFC weren't able to sell us 5 STs for where we wanted to be...N121....it's no big deal...we'll be back 21/22 season lol
Just a thought. I was at a very pleasant little music festival in The Howgills, W Yorks supporting HfH last weekend and everybody was in family plus groups to meet Covid19 guidelines. Surely you’re going to be able to accommodate more spectators in family groups under probable guidelines, especially with staggered entry, which would be more popular with fans wanting to try the new refreshment facilities?
We still haven’t purchased an ST but could get 2-5. We won’t mind looking down on you lot at the front, but want to be near the middle due to ocular limitations.
 

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....me and my mate have both been new rd regulars for many years...as you probably know mate...we...nor our kids....have STs for LR....primarily because BFC weren't able to sell us 5 STs for where we wanted to be...N121....it's no big deal...we'll be back 21/22 season lol
Didn't know that mate, assumed you were a nailed on ST holder. A bit frustrating for you all but like I said in my earlier post, always a bit of a risk albeit no-one could have seen what was coming with Covid!
 

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Ok so you have a ST then - exactly my point, the gentleman in question didn't after 44 years. I don't know his personal circumstances but no ST = no matches. If you don't have a ST don't expect to be able to go to limited capacity matches - it is exactly the same as away games where ST holders get first dibs and if there are any tickets left they go to members first and so on.

In your proposal you are giving a 1/3rd of non-ST holders priority over ST holders which is not going to happen - the fact is ST holders have paid in advance to attend every game and members etc have not
Wow - you seem to have missed the point in a big way...
 

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Didn't know that mate, assumed you were a nailed on ST holder. A bit frustrating for you all but like I said in my earlier post, always a bit of a risk albeit no-one could have seen what was coming with Covid!
....it is what it is....covid...for several reasons meant he and I were late on parade for ST....BFC....Lisa in particular tried to accommodate us...but I'm the end...couldn't...nevermind.
 

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What's our typical percentage of season ticket holders showing up each game? I'd guess it's no more than 75%?

We have to put a system in place where ST holders actively state their availability to attend on a match-by-match basis. We cannot have seats allocated to people who don't attend, when there will be others wanting (and deserving) to fill those seats.
Exactly. How many of the 11k will want to come and see the midweek games in November and December for example. Not saying there shouldn't be equal entitlement but my biggest concern would be no shows.
 

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Exactly. How many of the 11k will want to come and see the midweek games in November and December for example. Not saying there shouldn't be equal entitlement but my biggest concern would be no shows.
Certainly biggest issue is kids ST holders for midweek games when many can rarely go to.
 

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Exactly. How many of the 11k will want to come and see the midweek games in November and December for example. Not saying there shouldn't be equal entitlement but my biggest concern would be no shows.
I think it gets super complicated if say thats "your game" to attend and you can't you need to make club aware and your seat gets offered to another ST.

And unfortunately you lose that game.

I think the system needs to be made simple and uncomplicated. Let's say it is 1 in 2 home games it needs to be exactly that. And then you know which games you can attend and its up to us to attend them. Fixture list is out need so get organised with your calender.

Means planning ahead and I'm travelling from Somerset.
 

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I think it gets super complicated if say thats "your game" to attend and you can't you need to make club aware and your seat gets offered to another ST.

And unfortunately you lose that game.

I think the system needs to be made simple and uncomplicated. Let's say it is 1 in 2 home games it needs to be exactly that. And then you know which games you can attend and its up to us to attend them. Fixture list is out need so get organised with your calender.

Means planning ahead and I'm travelling from Somerset.
Which is fine if family groups are not split up, it’s no good telling me I go a different game to my 11 year old son and 13 year old daughter. We too are not local.
 

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We'd all love to pick and choose but that would be chaos. 1 in 2. If gov guidelines allow.

The more complicated the system gets the harder for the club to organise it.

It's a very difficult situation and the club is in a lose lose situation can't please everyone needs. If it's black and white and the same for everyone.

Mid week games for me will difficult with my location (location) but I can't expect the club to make an exception and go okay just Saturday 3pm for me.
 

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Exactly. How many of the 11k will want to come and see the midweek games in November and December for example. Not saying there shouldn't be equal entitlement but my biggest concern would be no shows.
Which is fine if family groups are not split up, it’s no good telling me I go a different game to my 11 year old son and 13 year old daughter. We too are not local.
Totally agree! My brother has learning difficulties can't drive and find public transport very difficult so we'd have to attend together as I bring him with me.

Groups/families will have to be accommodated and surely makes social distancing for the club easier too?
 

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I don't see why a system like this would be so complicated for ST holders?

Step 1. You indicate whether you wish to attend a particular match.
Step 2. You indicate whether you have to be accompanied by another ST holder.
Step 3. A draw is conducted by the system to alert the lucky people who can attend.
Step 4. You indicate whether you can sit next to another lucky person due to being in the same household.
Step 5. The system allocates tickets.
 
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I don't see why a system like this would be so complicated for ST holders?

Step 1. You indicate whether you wish to attend a particular match.
Step 2. You indicate whether you have to be accompanied by another ST holder.
Step 3. A draw is conducted by the system to alert the lucky people who can attend.
Step 4. You indicate whether you can sit next to another lucky person due to being in the same household.
Step 5. The system allocates tickets.
It all seemed remarkably plausible until you got to Step 5.
 

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Me & my dad are both season ticket holders. He’s 87 so obviously he always comes with me. I’m assuming we’ll be allocated games together otherwise it won’t work for us.
 

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I don't see why a system like this would be so complicated for ST holders?

Step 1. You indicate whether you wish to attend a particular match.
Step 2. You indicate whether you have to be accompanied by another ST holder.
Step 3. A draw is conducted by the system to alert the lucky people who can attend.
Step 4. You indicate whether you can sit next to another lucky person due to being in the same household.
Step 5. The system allocates tickets.
Step 2 also dodgy as leaves it open to mates. Can imagine Jambo claiming to be Nick Logan’s carer !
 

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Me & my dad are both season ticket holders. He’s 87 so obviously he always comes with me. I’m assuming we’ll be allocated games together otherwise it won’t work for us.
That is what I would hope, but with so many allocation issues over the years how confident can we be that’ll it’ll all work that way.
 

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I don't see why a system like this would be so complicated for ST holders?

Step 1. You indicate whether you wish to attend a particular match.
Step 2. You indicate whether you have to be accompanied by another ST holder.
Step 3. A draw is conducted by the system to alert the lucky people who can attend.
Step 4. You indicate whether you can sit next to another lucky person due to being in the same household.
Step 5. The system allocates tickets.
But you haven't factored in TAPS ???
 

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Could always beem the games back to Griffin Park
Put a screen up in Gunnersbury Park - you might even hear the stadium crowd from there, if you boost it with some amplification!
 

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But you haven't factored in TAPS ???
I'd be surprised if they come into play for home matches. It's not like away matches - the tickets have already been bought.

And it would just be another level of complexity, when we need as simple (and fair) a solution as possible and quickly.
 

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Exactly. How many of the 11k will want to come and see the midweek games in November and December for example. Not saying there shouldn't be equal entitlement but my biggest concern would be no shows.
I expect they will do some form of bidding system where ST holders state which games they can attend and then there’s a proportional allocation depending on demand per game and those succeeding in their first game bid for being put at the bottom of the draw for the next game they’ve bid for. So getting admission for a midweek game might be a lot easier than a weekend one.

I got a ST for the first time in 26 years on the basis that even without Covid restrictions it was probably going to be a challenge to get a seat for any of the more appealing matches. I have a long trip down from Leeds so wouldn’t be likely to go to most of the 23 home games but at least this way I can be sure I might get to some of the limited capacity games and be there in May as we get the champions trophy in front of Watford.
 

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Least surprising story in todays Mail


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...permitted-Premier-League-stadiums-season.html

However, away fans face being barred from matches for most of the season with top-flight clubs planning to prioritise season ticket holders until stadiums are permitted to operate at full capacity.
With the current number of local lockdowns or whatever terminology is used to describe the position in Birmingham, Manchester etc plus the areas of concern at either a local or national level and bearing in mind the fact that things are expected to get worse in the Autumn, all this discussion and speculation could be a waste of time.
There’s one SAGE member this morning talking about another national lockdown.
It’s going to be a very disjointed season if and when things finally get underway.
 

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EFL make huge deal with Sky Sports to allow clubs in all three divisions to stream every match:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...allow-clubs-three-divisions-stream-match.html

“Season-ticket holders will get access to their side's home matches free of charge and more casual fans will be able to watch every game — including Saturday 3pm kick-offs for the first time — for a fee of around £10.

The arrangement will be reviewed on a regular basis but is expected to remain in place until the Government permits a 50 per cent occupancy rate at stadiums.

This is likely to be some way off given the initial plan is for a maximum capacity of between 20 and 30 per cent when fans return. This is scheduled for October at the earliest”
 

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