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What the hell is a bubble
Keep up
The Government has allowed a single adult to bubble up with another family many weeks ago

If you are a couple you can't bubble up with another household
 

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Ok I will try again

Household 1

Mum Dad and Son

You live together

You are one household

Household 2

Grandma
Lives alone

BUBBLE
Means that Grandma can go and bubble up with household 1 and act like they are all living together

No Distancing etc etc

BUT
If Grandma and Grandpa lived together

then NO BUBBLE ALLOWED

They can still meet with Household 1 but keeping their distance
 

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Ok I will try again

Household 1

Mum Dad and Son

You live together

You are one household

Household 2

Grandma
Lives alone

BUBBLE
Means that Grandma can go and bubble up with household 1 and act like they are all living together

No Distancing etc etc

BUT
If Grandma and Grandpa lived together

then NO BUBBLE ALLOWED

They can still meet with Household 1 but keeping their distance
:).I can just see me bubbling up with next door. Its obviously me my friend.
 

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Refunds for non fans games is going to be fun. I will only watch the Sky games round a mates or a boozer if I can be bothered and decide on a PAYG for ifollow. Good luck everyone in the ballot. Long term loyalty out the window. New Brentford, new sh*t to deal with.
 
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this might be the wrong thread but does anyone know if you are able to walk around the perimeter of the new stadium as yet
 

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At the Brighton test event, even if you were in a bubble you weren’t able to sit next to each other. If that rule remains, numbers at games will take some time to rise.
 

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Rebus has at least 3 times pointed out that there will be cash refunds available :sorted:
I guess what matters is whether it’s a refund for the entire season ticket or if it will be done on a match by match basis.

My concern is that it will be all or nothing. Either keep your season ticket, see the odd game and watch the rest on iFollow/Sky, or refund the whole thing and miss out on the lot.
So Nick, yeah, Ambrose nailed it. There's a very big difference.
 

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So Nick, yeah, Ambrose nailed it. There's a very big difference.
They won't do that. The matches you can't attend because you're not being let in will be refunded. There might be an option for a discount in a year's time and that keeps the cash in to the club. Cardiff's approach won't withstand a challenge in the small claims court.
 

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So best not to have a bubble?
Depends on whether you want to all come to the match together. If you don’t mind whether the other ST holders in your household (or the extended household including those you’d have chosen in your “bubble”) come to the same games as you or not then don’t bother. I can see that some households/bubbles where all are adults might be happy to go separately so between them they see every game. If grandpa could do with a bit of help getting around or you’d rather junior didn’t go on his own you might want to join together even if you have to sit a few seats apart at the ground.

Have you really completely missed the concept of bubbles that’s been on all the Covid19 news for the last 6 months?!
 

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They won't do that. The matches you can't attend because you're not being let in will be refunded. There might be an option for a discount in a year's time and that keeps the cash in to the club. Cardiff's approach won't withstand a challenge in the small claims court.
I think we all need to realise that the ONLY refund you're going to get, is the one where you turn around and say you don't want any tickets or iFollow passes. I am residing myself to the reality of getting a ticket every X amount of games, followed by iFollow passes.

Personally, I will either watch those games at a friends, or go and put some money back into the non-league system and go see a random game in the London area.
 

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At the Brighton test event, even if you were in a bubble you weren’t able to sit next to each other. If that rule remains, numbers at games will take some time to rise.
Don't take anything from the Brighton test event. The configuration is entirely down to the local SAG and whether our Operations Team can meet government guidelines for social distancing.

There are no government guidelines or regulations specific for sporting events.
 

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I think we all need to realise that the ONLY refund you're going to get, is the one where you turn around and say you don't want any tickets or iFollow passes. I am residing myself to the reality of getting a ticket every X amount of games, followed by iFollow passes.

Personally, I will either watch those games at a friends, or go and put some money back into the non-league system and go see a random game in the London area.
Interested in how you've come to this conclusion?
 

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Interested in how you've come to this conclusion?
Look at the comms coming out of various clubs up and down the EEL pyramid, the vast majority are stating this will be the option available to fans.

I don't see how clubs are going to offer anything more than it to be honest and I believe that most, if not all, will argue that a free iFollow pass IS a reasonable alternative. The issue comes with games on Sky, whereby you could argue you're gaining nothing from having a ST.
 

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Look at the comms coming out of various clubs up and down the EEL pyramid, the vast majority are stating this will be the option available to fans.

I don't see how clubs are going to offer anything more than it to be honest and I believe that most, if not all, will argue that a free iFollow pass IS a reasonable alternative. The issue comes with games on Sky, whereby you could argue you're gaining nothing from having a ST.
I saw one from Cardiff, what other comms have you seen?
 

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Look at the comms coming out of various clubs up and down the EEL pyramid, the vast majority are stating this will be the option available to fans.

I don't see how clubs are going to offer anything more than it to be honest and I believe that most, if not all, will argue that a free iFollow pass IS a reasonable alternative. The issue comes with games on Sky, whereby you could argue you're gaining nothing from having a ST.
Not really a reasonable alternative for those of us who are paying £40-£50 per match is it.
 

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Have you really completely missed the concept of bubbles that’s been on all the Covid19 news for the last 6 months?!
I genuinely believe that most people stopped listening to the government guidance after DC's trip to Barnard Castle. I don't think one person I know or work with could properly explain the bubble rule, or is following it.

It's really only businesses that are "enforcing" the bubble rule anyway. And as far as I can tell most people will just say they're in a bubble when they go to the pub, or wherever... and no one is checking whether they live at the same address.
 

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Not really a reasonable alternative for those of us who are paying £40-£50 per match is it.
no but as has been said 388990 times now that won't happen :sorted:
 

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Cambridge hosting two test events next week - one with 1,000 fans, the other with 2,500.

Capacity is 8,127 (4,376 seated).
 

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I genuinely believe that most people stopped listening to the government guidance after DC's trip to Barnard Castle. I don't think one person I know or work with could properly explain the bubble rule, or is following it.

It's really only businesses that are "enforcing" the bubble rule anyway. And as far as I can tell most people will just say they're in a bubble when they go to the pub, or wherever... and no one is checking whether they live at the same address.
Possibly. But he seems completely unaware of the concept not just a bit confused about what it means in practice. The latter is understandable for the reasons you give (though Barnard Castle made much less impact on most people than media/social media would have you think, at least because regardless of the minutiae of the changing rules most had already internalised the basic concepts). The former is almost impressively obtuse.
 

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Not really a reasonable alternative for those of us who are paying £40-£50 per match is it.
The match ticket as part of a ST is the cheapest part of my home game costs. I have been saving a fortune watching on ifollow or Sky at home. I'd love to spend more by being at the game, but this is difficult times when no match day revenue is a bigger loss for the club and in particular MB.
 

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They definitely shouldn’t be able to alter the contract/ts&cs without both parties agreeing. But they might be able to offer a full refund and no games or no refund and iFollow as the only two alternatives. If they can’t fulfil the contract then they’re obliged to refund but not sure if they’re obliged to refund in any particular way such as pro-rata instead of full.
They won't do that. The matches you can't attend because you're not being let in will be refunded. There might be an option for a discount in a year's time and that keeps the cash in to the club. Cardiff's approach won't withstand a challenge in the small claims court.
 

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Whatever the club ends up doing won't please everyone and every other club is in the same position.

The whole refund thing, like someone has said I've resigned to possiblity of I attend X amount of games and the rest I'm given I follow pass for. But I did see something about Sky making a deal with EFL so not sure on that?

I guess the risk of a refund is losing your seat to someone else? Or I'm do the out your seat on hold till next year?
Whatever happens club are in a very difficult position. I don't envy them.
 

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Whatever the club ends up doing won't please everyone and every other club is in the same position.

The whole refund thing, like someone has said I've resigned to possiblity of I attend X amount of games and the rest I'm given I follow pass for. But I did see something about Sky making a deal with EFL so not sure on that?

I guess the risk of a refund is losing your seat to someone else? Or I'm do the out your seat on hold till next year?
Whatever happens club are in a very difficult position. I don't envy them.
i feel like i am talking to myself so not going to repeat it anymore after this, you wont lose your seat and you can have a refund for games you don't get in if you want one.
 
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(Hope this is the correct thread)

Supporters will be allowed back into two games in English Football League competitions next week as test events.

Cambridge United's home matches with Fulham Under-21s in the EFL Trophy on 8 September and the League Two game with Carlisle on Saturday, 12 September are part of the government's pilot scheme.

The club's Abbey Stadium will allow 1,000 fans for the EFL tie and 2,500 for the league game.

Cambridge has been chosen for both fixtures to allow quick "learnings".

More here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54014149
 

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Supporters will be allowed back into two games in English Football League competitions next week as test events.

Cambridge United's home matches with Fulham Under-21s in the EFL Trophy on 8 September and the League Two game with Carlisle on Saturday, 12 September are part of the government's pilot scheme.

The club's Abbey Stadium will allow 1,000 fans for the EFL tie and 2,500 for the league game.

Cambridge has been chosen for both fixtures to allow quick "learnings".

More here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54014149
Can't help thinking they have massively over estimated the crowd for the trophy game:fishing:
 

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Imagine we have 10,000 ST holders paying £500 an average for this season and they all want a full refund. That's an exposure of five million pounds going out of the club. My estimate is low as I do not know real figures. The real loss in ticket sales only for the year could £6m, could be £7m.

If we had Premier League TV money of £100m+ coming in it would be a possible maybe. Without it, I fail to see this being adopted.
All this is entirely conjecture, however, when the club sell Watkins and Benrhama, and pockets some £55 odd million your argument fall flat!
 

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Don't we need to be issued with a new season ticket so we can enter the ground first?
Will probably be issued on a match by match basis as they wouldn't want people turning up on the wrong match.
 

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Likely to be print at home or mobile QR.
Hope it's not mobile scanning. I can't make my one work for the track and trace thing at our local pubs. 9 months old Galaxy A10. Sure it should work.
 

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Hope it's not mobile scanning. I can't make my one work for the track and trace thing at our local pubs. 9 months old Galaxy A10. Sure it should work.
This is a scanner on the turnstile reading a picture on your phone. Not you having to scan a code with your phone.
 

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I genuinely believe that most people stopped listening to the government guidance after DC's trip to Barnard Castle. I don't think one person I know or work with could properly explain the bubble rule, or is following it.

It's really only businesses that are "enforcing" the bubble rule anyway. And as far as I can tell most people will just say they're in a bubble when they go to the pub, or wherever... and no one is checking whether they live at the same address.
I couldn’t explain the bubble rules as they seem to change every 5 mins but I certainly know what one is, you must already live in a permanent bubble not to know what one is.
 

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i feel like i am talking to myself so not going to repeat it anymore after this, you wont lose your seat and you can have a refund for games you don't get in if you want one.
So what you are saying, I will lose all my money and my seat and have to pay full ST price to watch ifollow.

Ok, I get it now.
 

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It all sounds like its time to.start to repaying the money which is somethjng my heart says No to.
 

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Mori I do have trouble following your train of thought sometimes. What do you mean?
I think he wants a refund and for Brentford to play at GP until he’s allowed in the ground with the ST he’s going to ask be refunded. He’ll then watch those games on the club’s YouTube channel for free because it is disgusting to have to pay for Sky or iFollow. Unless he boycotts the club because Ollie and Said let us down and don’t deserve to get big money transfers.
 

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