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Unless I am being daft the link to resubscribe to BFC mailing list is blank where there should be fields to enter :confused:
 

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Two season ticket holders in same household so only one code needed and to be used.
So full refund on second ticket?
 

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All STHers to get iFollow code for Huddersfield game. Which is good as iFollow has a very, very special guest that day.
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Yet my daughter will no longer be able to have a fifth birthday party with five other children with whom she shares a classroom every day.
But if you and/or your wife/partner are present then you are not in that bubble and you increase the probability of you catching it from one of your daughters friends. Also if you and/or your wife/partner are present then that reduces the number of your daughters guests to either 3 or 4 to keep within the 6. (Presumably you will not be leaving 5 year olds unattended?). And this also assumes that she has no siblings who would also be present!

If we want to get back to see the Bees then there needs to be some form of control which may inconvenience some. But there also needs to be recognition that some things are more important than others and any associated risk needs to be accepted.

I hope your daughter enjoys her birthday in these strange times in which we currently live.
 

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We've been told on here we will get a refund. Social bubble? Everyone I watched football with at GP is from a separate household. I await Morri's viewpoint. I'm struggling to understand.
 

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You are legally entitled to a refund for any matches you cannot attend.. That is your prerogative not the club’s. You can elected to take another option, but again your choice not the club’s. Any refund must be given without undue delay and in any case within 14 days of it being agreed a refund is due. The Consumer Rights Act is pretty explicit on these matters.
 
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We've been told on here we will get a refund. Social bubble? Everyone I watched football with at GP is from a separate household. I await Morri's viewpoint. I'm struggling to understand.
No mention of refunds yet but this is only for Huddersfield game so far and BIAS are/have meeting with Jon Varney to discuss further. I am hoping they give the option of iFollow or refund on a game by game basis but it is going to be an absolute nightmare.

In terms of social bubbles it will be 2 households sitting together whether that is 2 people or 6 people depending on circumstances
 

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No mention of refunds yet but this is only for Huddersfield game so far and BIAS are/have meeting with Jon Varney to discuss further. I am hoping they give the option of iFollow or refund on a game by game basis but it is going to be an absolute nightmare.

In terms of social bubbles it will be 2 households sitting together whether that is 2 people or 6 people depending on circumstances
Sitting on my own suits me as some of my chums are vastly overweight, constantly eat match food, fart, swear at opposing players and even smell of urine. Yes, all are ex-Paddock.
 

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No mention of refunds yet but this is only for Huddersfield game so far and BIAS are/have meeting with Jon Varney to discuss further. I am hoping they give the option of iFollow or refund on a game by game basis but it is going to be an absolute nightmare.

In terms of social bubbles it will be 2 households sitting together whether that is 2 people or 6 people depending on circumstances
What happens if there is more than 6 people in your household?.
 

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It was announced yesterday that all 28 PL games in September will be shown on tv (Sky, BT and, to a lesser extent, BBC and Amazon Prime)...therefore I assume Sky do have more games than they originally purchased.
I see, given the games and charging to show them. Can't see how that will fly. Greedy.
 

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I see, given the games and charging to show them. Can't see how that will fly. Greedy.
Actually this was in response to complaints by fans and the FSA as there is no ifollow equivalent in the Premier League.

Initially it would've meant a lot of clubs would have no (legal) method of watching their clubs matches despite them being broadcast for overseas coverage.
 
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I appreciate the club are in a difficult position, but I have paid £30 (upfront) per game for my seat. Its a poor offer.
Re-reading the article it does say that other options will be communicated soon. However, I'm not sure what happens if you ask for a code.....
 

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I guess you split into 2 bubbles and are counted separately?
A lot of ambiguity. If you had a kids party for 6 and you invited 7 but two were from the same family what is the difference? The risk is the same.

To be honest a lot of common sense should help. 99% use common sense and that is why the infections/deaths plummeted, sadly its the people who ignored it first time round who will ignore it this time round so you wonder if it will ever end.
 

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You are legally entitled to a refund for any matches you cannot attend.. That is your prerogative not the club’s. You can elected to take another option, but again your choice not the club’s. Any refund must be given without undue delay and in any case within 14 days of it being agreed a refund is due. The Consumer Rights Act is pretty explicit on these matters.
As a former Director at the Office of Fair Trading I'm not sure it's as black and white as that. If you buy a package of individual tickets, you would certainly be entitled to a refund if any of those tickets could not be used because a match didn't take place. But a season ticket isn't a package of individual tickets - rather it gives you admission to all the matches in a season. I'm not sure that it's specified that there will be 23 games that you can attend during that season. It might depend what's in the T&Cs which you've accepted by buying the ticket.

At the very least there is stuff here which lawyers could argue about if it ever came to it - although I'd be pretty confident that wont need to happen.
 

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Does setting up a group of 6 affect your chances of attending a match, compared with staying as individuals?

For example, in a lottery-type system, would a group of 6 count as one ticket, or as six tickets?

If a group of 6 counts as one ticket, which is then drawn out in the lottery, what happens if not all 6 can attend a particular game? We can't have unnecessary empty seats.
 
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As a former Director at the Office of Fair Trading I'm not sure it's as black and white as that. If you buy a package of individual tickets, you would certainly be entitled to a refund if any of those tickets could not be used because a match didn't take place. But a season ticket isn't a package of individual tickets - rather it gives you admission to all the matches in a season. I'm not sure that it's specified that there will be 23 games that you can attend during that season. It might depend what's in the T&Cs which you've accepted by buying the ticket.

At the very least there is stuff here which lawyers could argue about if it ever came to it - although I'd be pretty confident that wont need to happen.
1.2 The issue of a Season Ticket and your access to the Ground is subject to the rules of the Football League, Football Association and the Club’s Terms & Conditions of Entry.

2.2 A Season Ticket permits you to occupy the seat specified on your Brentford Card at Matches. In exceptional circumstances if it is not possible to seat you in the specified seat, we may offer an alternative seat that shall be in the same or a higher price bracket than your original allocated seat.
 
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Does setting up a group of 6 affect your chances of attending a match, compared with staying as individuals?

For example, in a lottery-type system, would a group of 6 count as one ticket, or as six tickets?

If a group of 6 counts as one ticket, which is then drawn out in the lottery, what happens if not all 6 can attend a particular game? We can't have unnecessary empty seats.
This is what disappoints me somewhat. If the club had confirmed dates that people could or could not attend; data as to whether they will even bother coming to a game during covid etc. etc. then they could optimise attendances.

However I understand that the maximum number of attendees is determined by the space in the concourses etc. Currently this limits the number at Lionel Road to 5-6k.

Given that that's approximately 50% of the number of STHers, I expect the club to take the easy route of dividing STHers into two groups and be given tickets to alternate games. The path of least resistance strikes again.
 

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Reducing gatherings down to 6 as of Monday. I don't understand why we can't create a bubble of six and you will get loads more people into the grounds, in fact as of last week bubbles of up to 30. What is the difference between meeting 6 people in the pub, your back garden, a restaurant and a football ground.
I guess the difference is that if the pub or restaurant doesn't implement proper procedures then it is liable to be fined/shut down. (Note the "liable to" - your experience at the w/end might suggest not)

Whereas no-one can police peoples back gardens and tbf, the "experts" tell us that the biggest cause of the recent spikes has been people socialisng informally in their own homes.

And in any case banning barbecues in the garden doesn't hurt the economy like closing down the whole hospitality and sports industries.
 

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From the BBC website a few days ago, an article detailing how Premier League Clubs are dealing with Season Tickets. Seems there are a fair few giving pro-rata refunds and/or credits towards the following seasons ticket. I hope we go down this line too.
 

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Couldn't give a toss about bubbles, just want to know that as a ST holder when I am not allowed to attend a home game in person that I'll either be refunded per game or I can have it as a discount from the following season's ST.

I guess that detail will be part of the further comms yet to come that they've mentioned today. I'll await with interest and trust Mr Logan was correct :D
 

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From the BBC website a few days ago, an article detailing how Premier League Clubs are dealing with Season Tickets. Seems there are a fair few giving pro-rata refunds and/or credits towards the following seasons ticket. I hope we go down this line too.
Unfortunately the percentage of revenue from attendance in the PL is very different to the EFL which is much more dependant on fans attending. I hope they will but I would have every sympathy if clubs in the EFL did not feel they could apply the same model.
 

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As a former Director at the Office of Fair Trading I'm not sure it's as black and white as that. If you buy a package of individual tickets, you would certainly be entitled to a refund if any of those tickets could not be used because a match didn't take place. But a season ticket isn't a package of individual tickets - rather it gives you admission to all the matches in a season. I'm not sure that it's specified that there will be 23 games that you can attend during that season. It might depend what's in the T&Cs which you've accepted by buying the ticket.

At the very least there is stuff here which lawyers could argue about if it ever came to it - although I'd be pretty confident that wont need to happen.
Yes, I don’t think the legal position is at all straightforward. Even with a ticket in normal times the club has the right to refuse entry without refund in some circumstances.

A credit towards next season’s ST would in principle be good but it would probably be accompanied by an increase in the price of tickets next season.
 

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Unfortunately the percentage of revenue from attendance in the PL is very different to the EFL which is much more dependant on fans attending. I hope they will but I would have every sympathy if clubs in the EFL did not feel they could apply the same model.
Not all EFL clubs get £33m for their players either.
 

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Just viewed my season ticket on ticket site and it does confirm it's valid for 23 games. Can't see the T+Cs anywhere which would usurp that though.
 
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Just viewed my season ticket on ticket site and it does confirm it's valid for 23 games. Can't see the T+Cs anywhere which would usurp that though.
The T&Cs say that the Season Ticket is valid for all Football League Matches held at the Ground. So, I agree, it's very clear that a ST is valid for 23 matches.
 

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I encourage everyone to follow through on the article on club site today advising you to double check you haven't fallen off the mailing list. I did and missed out on GP final visit invitation. With the season about to start, nobody wants to miss out on their ifollow code or any ballots for attendance if/when limited crowds are allowed in. I am told there has been an issue with some holders of hotmail accounts (like me).
 

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Yes, I don’t think the legal position is at all straightforward. Even with a ticket in normal times the club has the right to refuse entry without refund in some circumstances.

I would have thought that such a term might possibly be regarded as an unfair contract term in the circumstances we are discussing and would not therefore be legally binding.

I should of course add that I haven’t looked at the t & c’s so have no idea what they say about force majeure.
 
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This is what disappoints me somewhat. If the club had confirmed dates that people could or could not attend; data as to whether they will even bother coming to a game during covid etc. etc. then they could optimise attendances.

However I understand that the maximum number of attendees is determined by the space in the concourses etc. Currently this limits the number at Lionel Road to 5-6k.

Given that that's approximately 50% of the number of STHers, I expect the club to take the easy route of dividing STHers into two groups and be given tickets to alternate games. The path of least resistance strikes again.
If it's the case that entire "bubbles" are given match tickets to alternate games, then it might not be worth me forming a bubble then, because not everyone in my group attends every game. Not forming a bubble would increase my chances of actually being able to watch more games, as it would open the possibility of match tickets (which can be transferred from others not attending) becoming available for every game, rather than alternate games.
 

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Not all EFL clubs get £33m for their players either.
This one hasn't yet either.

Some will be going direct to the West Country some is tied into add ons
 
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If it's the case that entire "bubbles" are given match tickets to alternate games, then it might not be worth me forming a bubble then, because not everyone in my group attends every game. Not forming a bubble would increase my chances of actually being able to watch more games, as it would open the possibility of match tickets (which can be transferred from others not attending) becoming available for every game, rather than alternate games.
I don't know for certain how the club will decide this. But if I wanted to do it in the simplest form possible then I would do as above. In that case it won't matter if you are in a bubble or not. You will only get tickets for 50% of the matches. Bubbles would just ensure that you can attend with your family.

If some people don't take up the tickets then they may be able to be redistributed. But quite how this will work given that i) people will need to give up a ticket ii) the ticket will need to be provided to someone else ii) that someone else has to be selected - that's sounds in the "too difficult" category. Especially if the threshold is (say) 45% of STHers and some non-attendance by STHers needs to be factored in.
 

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There's a way round ll this - a bubble of 17,250 Bees fans confined to Lionel Rd for 10 months. Football is a village.
 

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Govt to review its plan to reopen stadiums. This just isn't going to happen, I'm afraid.
 

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There's a way round ll this - a bubble of 17,250 Bees fans confined to Lionel Rd for 10 months. Football is a village.
I’d ask for a refund.
 
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Boris Johnson - “We must revise plans to pilot larger audiences in stadiums & review our intention to return audiences to stadiums from the 1st October.”
 

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Boris Johnson - “We must revise plans to pilot larger audiences in stadiums & review our intention to return audiences to stadiums from the 1st October.”
If it doesn't happen in October then realistically it may not be until well into next year.
 

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A lot of ambiguity. If you had a kids party for 6 and you invited 7 but two were from the same family what is the difference? The risk is the same.

To be honest a lot of common sense should help. 99% use common sense and that is why the infections/deaths plummeted, sadly its the people who ignored it first time round who will ignore it this time round so you wonder if it will ever end.
It is not ambiguous at all - up to 6 people from up to 2 households can be in the bubble? I'd say that was pretty definitive myself...however the issue then comes if there are 7 plus over 2 households that attend together at which point you then have to decide who goes in the other bubble..
 
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This is what disappoints me somewhat. If the club had confirmed dates that people could or could not attend; data as to whether they will even bother coming to a game during covid etc. etc. then they could optimise attendances.

However I understand that the maximum number of attendees is determined by the space in the concourses etc. Currently this limits the number at Lionel Road to 5-6k.

Given that that's approximately 50% of the number of STHers, I expect the club to take the easy route of dividing STHers into two groups and be given tickets to alternate games. The path of least resistance strikes again.
Quite - I'd imagine it'll be define who is eligible for a certain game up to the permitted capacity and if they can't go then tough (but should get a refund for that game).
 

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I guess the difference is that if the pub or restaurant doesn't implement proper procedures then it is liable to be fined/shut down. (Note the "liable to" - your experience at the w/end might suggest not)

Whereas no-one can police peoples back gardens and tbf, the "experts" tell us that the biggest cause of the recent spikes has been people socialisng informally in their own homes.

And in any case banning barbecues in the garden doesn't hurt the economy like closing down the whole hospitality and sports industries.
Actually you incorrect, police do to have the power and resources to police people in their own gardens.
 

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I have probably missed this somewhere but are the club going to send out new season ticket cards?
Yes they will be sending out Season Ticket packs for prestige purposes.

If access to stadium is allowed then it is likely they will issue separate tickets per match as it's easier to prevent people turning up for the wrong match.
 

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