New Stadium Capacity (now c.17,800)

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If, IF! money was no object could you build another tier or two on the north stand supporting itself the other side of the rail tracks? (Knocking down the Sega building of course!) I know people will say you might as well move and build a new stadium but it wouldn't be in Brentford

This is also old ground covered earlier. IIRC there was the possibility, when the talk was for a 20k capacity, for this type of scenario. However, it would not have been cost effective just to increase to 25k.

Edit: just seen jlove's reply!
 
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This is also old ground covered earlier. IIRC there was the possibility, when the talk was for a 20k capacity, for this type of scenario. However, it would not have been cost effective just to increase to 25k.

Edit: just seen jlove's reply!

It ain't gonna happen. The North Stand was a royal pain to build due to Network Rail. The cost of building the North Stand again, which will entail so much NR interaction, let alone building OVER the railway infrastructure, will be prohibitive.
 

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The expansion options are: to demolish the West Stand and start again to give a second tier; to demolish the North Stand and rebuild with a second tier over the rail line. Possibly another 2,000 in the west and 3,000 in the north. The cost per additional seat would be enormous and the money would never be recovered, especially given the loss of the stand for a season or so. It's unrealistic.

If we're an established top 10 PL club, we'll have to relocate.

I reckon the Club would sell the ground to London Irish and move on.
I'm happy with the new place, in Brentford and enough room for real Brentford supporters.
 
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I reckon the Club would sell the ground to London Irish and move on.
I'm happy with the new place, in Brentford and enough room for real Brentford supporters.

Move on to......where exactly? It only took us 45 years to get this place I suppose.
 

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The expansion options are: to demolish the West Stand and start again to give a second tier; to demolish the North Stand and rebuild with a second tier over the rail line. Possibly another 2,000 in the west and 3,000 in the north. The cost per additional seat would be enormous and the money would never be recovered, especially given the loss of the stand for a season or so. It's unrealistic.

If we're an established top 10 PL club, we'll have to relocate.

Moving out of Brentford would be the end in me attending.

Would prefer taking the time to extend
 

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It’s difficult to see us filling the ground in the championship even accounting for novelty value etc, we would need to get 5k more home supporters in. The prem would be different of course, but I can only see capacity crowds for day a promotion defining match in the champ based on our current levels of support.

i completely disagree.....we are getting 10k average home support for every game now and the vast majority dont even go on general sale.....the effect of a shiny new ground, relative success, new brentford element and people being able to buy without too much complications (which there are now) will mean most of our games will be near sell outs before or on the day........trust me im a doctor ;)
 

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Moving out of Brentford would be the end in me attending.

Would prefer taking the time to extend

ive approached chertsey town fc to see if they are willing to share with us and build a 30k minimum ground.......its only 10mins from my house so would be a good result...........im still waiting for their response though lol
 

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ive approached chertsey town fc to see if they are willing to share with us and build a 30k minimum ground.......its only 10mins from my house so would be a good result...........im still waiting for their response though lol

Even if BFC moved to Rectory Park in Northolt id stop going. Although it would be great pissing off the ra ras round here
 

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i completely disagree.....we are getting 10k average home support for every game now and the vast majority dont even go on general sale.....the effect of a shiny new ground, relative success, new brentford element and people being able to buy without too much complications (which there are now) will mean most of our games will be near sell outs before or on the day........trust me im a doctor ;)

I hope your are right but that is a 50% increase in home support in a football saturated area.
 

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I hope your are right but that is a 50% increase in home support in a football saturated area.

How saturated is it though in terms of our catchment area? I get the impression many fans travel from West including home counties, with South and North West adding a few. How many Bees fans come from East of Brentford?

I think attendance will pick up nicely - the facilities are quite a factor and availability of tickets.
 
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How saturated is it though in terms of our catchment area? I get the impression many fans travel from West including home counties, with South and North West adding a few. How many Bees fans come from East of Brentford?

I think attendance will pick up nicely - the facilities are quite a factor and availability of tickets.

Yes. Nothing between us and Portsmouth (expect Reading and perhaps AFC Wimbledon). Think a map was produced once upon a time.
 

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I hope your are right but that is a 50% increase in home support in a football saturated area.

We have one of the biggest catchment areas in the country, apparently
 

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How saturated is it though in terms of our catchment area? I get the impression many fans travel from West including home counties, with South and North West adding a few. How many Bees fans come from East of Brentford?

I think attendance will pick up nicely - the facilities are quite a factor and availability of tickets.

Fair few from Essex
 
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Not really true though is it? Very few people from that catchment area are going to say that they'll support Brentford because all the other London clubs are way too far.

You could say the same about Manchester United too.
 

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I hope your are right but that is a 50% increase in home support in a football saturated area.

We will fill it for most Saturday games.
More away fans, more tourists, more ladies, more friends and relatives of existing supporters
and a few of the older armchair supporters will return. You'll be surprised.
 

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We will fill it for most Saturday games.
More away fans, more tourists, more ladies, more friends and relatives of existing supporters
and a few of the older armchair supporters will return. You'll be surprised.
Don't disagree at all. Might well see many more ladies. The queue for the ladies loo at HT v Fulham went on well past the other gents in New Road. Couldn't see the end. I think once experienced never repeated. When we have ladies coming with us we make them go once last time in the Globe then don't let them drink anything!
 

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We will fill it for most Saturday games.
More away fans, more tourists, more ladies, more friends and relatives of existing supporters
and a few of the older armchair supporters will return. You'll be surprised.

The first season, regardless of what league we're in, will have a big element of curiosity value. If we go up, stadium will be full virtually every game. If we don't, will be close to, if not full capacity most occasions.
As to away fans, if still in Championship, they'll presumably get 10% ie approx 1800 tickets, for league games. Cup games I think they're allowed 25% subject to segregation issues. I presume they would potentially be entitled to all of the East Stand?
 

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Don't disagree at all. Might well see many more ladies. The queue for the ladies loo at HT v Fulham went on well past the other gents in New Road. Couldn't see the end. I think once experienced never repeated. When we have ladies coming with us we make them go once last time in the Globe then don't let them drink anything!

I'd started to write an identical post. Our current facilities are disgraceful when compared to any other entertainment venue. I think we'll see a considerable increase in attendance at Lionel Rd, particularly females.
 

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Don't disagree at all. Might well see many more ladies. The queue for the ladies loo at HT v Fulham went on well past the other gents in New Road. Couldn't see the end. I think once experienced never repeated. When we have ladies coming with us we make them go once last time in the Globe then don't let them drink anything!
Mine always wants to go into a pub just before a game... only to use the facilities!
 

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theres plenty of toilets.....they showed me the proper plans at the booking place as i said i want aisles seats for that quick nip out and not missing too much of the action.........they actually went and got the plans too lol lol lol great service lol
 

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It sounds plenty big enough for all us lot plus extra friends, occasional fans coming more often and new fans coming for the novelty/promotion. We have been set up so that a lot of our money comes from clever work on transfers. The new ground will give us plenty of commercial space so the corporate income will be something we haven’t had to date. If we go up, a finishing spot on place higher would be worth more than an extra 5k average attendance. Even if we became a bit meh on the pitch and were getting 9-10k the ground would feel reasonably full and have a decent atmosphere as the site doesn’t have the stands far from the pitch so it should feel Griffin Parkish.

I think it sounds ideal for us, designed around what we like about GP, who our fans are and how many proper ones we have and want, and what sort of club we expect to be. Not identikit, not an overlarge monument to an owner’s vanity of the sort we go to and sing “your ground’s too big for you” at.
 

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It sounds plenty big enough for all us lot plus extra friends, occasional fans coming more often and new fans coming for the novelty/promotion. We have been set up so that a lot of our money comes from clever work on transfers. The new ground will give us plenty of commercial space so the corporate income will be something we haven’t had to date. If we go up, a finishing spot on place higher would be worth more than an extra 5k average attendance. Even if we became a bit meh on the pitch and were getting 9-10k the ground would feel reasonably full and have a decent atmosphere as the site doesn’t have the stands far from the pitch so it should feel Griffin Parkish.

I think it sounds ideal for us, designed around what we like about GP, who our fans are and how many proper ones we have and want, and what sort of club we expect to be. Not identikit, not an overlarge monument to an owner’s vanity of the sort we go to and sing “your ground’s too big for you” at.

Choice of seats is my fear. I worry for those wanting North Stand who are later in the buying process. I have to wait until next week and I'm already concerned that my options are becoming limited.
 

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Indeed AB, but it's the "plus extra friends" getting in early doors on the back of "longstanders" groups that's worrying - I also, Les Beeavinu, am watching/hearing that the central parts of the North Stand are fast being taken up - I've always been a New Road "half-way-liner" - Mr Mainwaring wouldn't panic, would he?
 

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Indeed AB, but it's the "plus extra friends" getting in early doors on the back of "longstanders" groups that's worrying - I also, Les Beeavinu, am watching/hearing that the central parts of the North Stand are fast being taken up - I've always been a New Road "half-way-liner" - Mr Mainwaring wouldn't panic, would he?

Extra friends and other stand migrants - there's a lot of them I think. How long have you been a half way liner? Are you not down for January?
 
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Extra friends and other stand migrants - there's a lot of them I think. How long have you been a half way liner? Are you not down for January?

You have to be in the block directly behind the dug-outs to qualify for that.
 

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Extra friends and other stand migrants - there's a lot of them I think. How long have you been a half way liner? Are you not down for January?

First Bees game was Feb 1968 - NR half-way for too long to remember - initially stood there - my appt is next week (in a group of 6) - I'll try not to over worry - I guess it'll be fine .... & good luck to you
 

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The first season, regardless of what league we're in, will have a big element of curiosity value. If we go up, stadium will be full virtually every game. If we don't, will be close to, if not full capacity most occasions.
As to away fans, if still in Championship, they'll presumably get 10% ie approx 1800 tickets, for league games. Cup games I think they're allowed 25% subject to segregation issues. I presume they would potentially be entitled to all of the East Stand?

The aways are in the NE corner, it can be exapanded or reduced as required.

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Blocks N121, E124 and E114 aren’t being sold to ST holders either. They’ll be kept for casual ticket buyers and even “neutrals”. :pop:
 

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Blocks N121, E124 and E114 aren’t being sold to ST holders either. They’ll be kept for casual ticket buyers and even “neutrals”. :pop:

They can't sell a season ticket in it as they would be the segregation if the full away allocation was used.
 

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They can't sell a season ticket in it as they would be the segregation if the full away allocation was used.

Yes, plus there are different away allocations for Championship, Premier League and FA Cup.
 

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Will we take the p!ss and charge dirty Leeds £45 to visit the new ground when we play them in the FA cup next season?
 

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The extra seats were mentioned in the introduction talk yesterday at the new stadium ticket office where it was pointed out that because they were not in the original application they would have to be approved. Apparently one of the criteria is that you should be able to leave your seat and exit the stadium within 8 minutes.
 
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Any idea what the equivalent block is in Braemar?
IIRC it wasn’t a block as seats in D Block reached the penalty area. So seats within the centre circle were “in-scope”
 

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You have to be in the block directly behind the dug-outs to qualify for that.

I sit behind the dug out in New Road, second from back row.
I can't buy until next month but BFC sent me a letter stating that
my seat is in a protected area. Does this guarantee that I'll be able to
sit at the back of N124?
 

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I sit behind the dug out in New Road, second from back row.
I can't buy until next month but BFC sent me a letter stating that
my seat is in a protected area. Does this guarantee that I'll be able to
sit at the back of N124?
Sounds more like you're in a cage!
 
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I sit behind the dug out in New Road, second from back row.
I can't buy until next month but BFC sent me a letter stating that
my seat is in a protected area. Does this guarantee that I'll be able to
sit at the back of N124?

I doubt it. I suspect you don't have 8 (verifiable) years, otherwise you would have been down the centre last week.
 

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Just watching today's episode of The Sweeney and some scenes were filmed in Brentford Market and the site of the new stadium. Green Dragon Lane flats, M4 and Gasometer clearly seen in the background.
Thought I would share that with you all.
Series 3 episode 8.
 

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I doubt it. I suspect you don't have 8 (verifiable) years, otherwise you would have been down the centre last week.

6 years for me on my S/T.
I'm going to piggy back on someone else and hopefully sort it on Friday.
 
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