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What’s all this moaning about our full strength team. Apart from RS and Kamo, who turns out is injured, that was our full strength team !?! Benrahma, Watkins and Canos have all shared those wide positions all season, so maybe Said should have started but I had no problem with Sergi and Ollie getting the nod. All last night showed me is how paper thin the squad is
 

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Replay on Tuesday
Unless BBC select it today
Replay will then move to Weds

BT got first pick this time
Newport on Tuesday 5th confirmed before kick off last night
 

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Replay on Tuesday
Unless BBC select it today
Replay will then move to Weds

BT got first pick this time
Newport on Tuesday 5th confirmed before kick off last night
Fingers crossed for the tv pick then!! :)

WBA v Brighton
Wolves v Shrewsbury
QPR v Portsmouth
Brentford v Barnet

Surely our game is better for neutral tv watchers than the other three?
 

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Fingers crossed for the tv pick then!! :)

WBA v Brighton
Wolves v Shrewsbury
QPR v Portsmouth
Brentford v Barnet

Surely our game is better for neutral tv watchers than the other three?
West Brom v Brighton.
Championship v Prem, is the most likely.
 

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Fingers crossed for the tv pick then!! :)

WBA v Brighton
Wolves v Shrewsbury
QPR v Portsmouth
Brentford v Barnet

Surely our game is better for neutral tv watchers than the other three?
Can't see it unless the first tie has swayed their thinking.
 

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unreal bad luck , 3 efforts off inside of post
 

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Can't see it unless the first tie has swayed their thinking.
I hope so. I still don't see what the others offer over ours. Especially after last night. Wolves v Shrews is the only tie, other than ours IMO, the BBC might go for.
 

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West Brom v Brighton.
Championship v Prem, is the most likely.
9 changes West Brom should not be considered a tv pick on principal. Same goes for Watford In the 5th round who made 11 changes v Newcastle.
 

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. All last night showed me is how paper thin the squad is
Absolutely, and a far cry from early in the season when the general view was we had a squad of 18 or 19 players who could all be considered 1st teamers. I think we have only two positions with adequate cover (full back and wide forward). The rest looks very flimsy right now.
 

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I still don't see what the others offer over ours.
Absolutely nothing - except an audience, which will sway it.


Especially after last night.
Last night was a Monday night game on BT, between two poorly supported, low-profile sides, therefore will have had paltry viewing figures. Consequently, very few of the normal BBC audience will have been watching in order to get enthused about the replay.
 
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Absolutely nothing - except an audience, which will sway it.


Last night was a Monday night game on BT, between two poorly supported, low-profile sides, therefore will have had paltry viewing figures. Therefore very few of a potential BBC audience will have been watching in order to get enthused about the replay.
To be fair the BBC are all over last night on their website
 

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To be fair the BBC are all over last night on their website
Only because the BBC is committed to promoting the FA Cup (the only live football they can afford) and Barnet v The Bees was the only FA Cup game last night.

Even then, their Football homepage relegates their FAC coverage to half-way down, with the headlines dominated by such critical news* as "Has Jose Mourinho been left behind by European football?"


* - It's keeping me awake at night, I can tell you.
 

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BBC website is showing what they consider to be the best 8 goals of the 4th round, and you are invited to vote for one of them.

Needless to say none of ours is on the list, although I thought Sergi's goal was as good as several of the those shown.
 

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Last night was a Monday night game on BT, between two poorly supported, low-profile sides, therefore will have had paltry viewing figures. Consequently, very few of the normal BBC audience will have been watching in order to get enthused about the replay.
Their loss! We watched quite a few of the games over the weekend on TV and - even though we're biased - ours was by far the most entertaining.
 

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Have they decided which game they're showing yet? I sort of hope it's not ours as it'll affect the attendance and look a bit crap
 

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Wolves confirmed their game as a Tuesday game

Come on BBC
Just tell us now

Bees or Albion I think
 

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Have they decided which game they're showing yet? I sort of hope it's not ours as it'll affect the attendance and look a bit crap
Plus I would prefer a Tuesday game

We already have our Tuesday Villa game moved by Sky to a Weds
 

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Did anyone else think their manager was a ******. Every time they scored he did some weird monkey dance, running on the pitch and giving it large towards the away support.

Also think that anyone who wears leather gloves is a weirdo.
 

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It's why it's important to build a stadium of an appropriate size for your fan base. A full 6,000 seater is much more atmospheric than somewhere like Preston which is never more than half full these days. Have been to Livingstone several times over the years. Similar size to Barnet's ground and always a good atmosphere. You go away thinking you've been in a massive crowd, then you find out there were only 5k there.
Barnet fans would be delighted if the numbers who turn up week in week out matched the size of the stadium. Sadly, they only get a couple of thousand home supporters since they were sent into exile by the evil Barnet council. Hope the sellout last night encourages some people back there. As others have said, brilliant facilities.
 

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Barnet fans would be delighted if the numbers who turn up week in week out matched the size of the stadium. Sadly, they only get a couple of thousand home supporters since they were sent into exile by the evil Barnet council. Hope the sellout last night encourages some people back there. As others have said, brilliant facilities.
From this link it looks like it's stayed roughly the same over the past ten years:

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/nonleague/bart.htm
 

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Did anyone else think their manager was a ******. Every time they scored he did some weird monkey dance, running on the pitch and giving it large towards the away support.

Also think that anyone who wears leather gloves is a weirdo.
Yep I thought this too. Looked an absolute clown, his team performed superb, he just looked like a cock
 

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Their loss! We watched quite a few of the games over the weekend on TV and - even though we're biased - ours was by far the most entertaining.
Agree it was at least as entertaining as any, and a lot more than most.

But as it always says in the small print: "Past performance is not a guide to future performance, nor a reliable indicator of future results or performance."
 

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Barnet fans would be delighted if the numbers who turn up week in week out matched the size of the stadium. Sadly, they only get a couple of thousand home supporters since they were sent into exile by the evil Barnet council. Hope the sellout last night encourages some people back there. As others have said, brilliant facilities.
Looks like a great set up for non league, I assume they don't play that well every week though otherwise they wouldn't be 16th or whatever they are in the national League. They'll be back to their average 1000 for their next league game which is a shame
 

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I reckon we could have got by if Sawyers had played next to Josh Mc or Mokotjo had played next to Josh Ds but putting them both together looked very ordinary. Must admit I was a bit shocked in the drop in quality without Sawyers, Mokotjo and Benrahma, didn't really think there was that large of a gap in quality tbh, but there certainly is.
Bloody cold (although not compared to Bootham Crescent)! It will be a learning experience for most of the players as Barnet did what they did well and gave no time on the ball, defended deep and broke with great effect. Our stuttering attackers got a goal apiece – Sergi and Ollie made slight improvements in their respective journeys and Saïd came on for 15 minutes of trickery; Neal knows how to read a 'keeper's penalty signals. The all had to work throughout the game but the whole team was slow to get the ball moving and allowed Barnet to settle defensively. Only when we shifted the ball with any speed could we get space to work in.

Regardless of bandwagons, I thought the midfield really didn't work. Moses seemed reluctant to take on the defenders until later on; Rico was very subdued (did he get injured?); it was the wrong game for Josh DS, he looked lost, wanted too much time and was defensively poor; I'm certain there'll be another few hundred posts about Josh Mc but he did pass the ball well at times. It took time for Henrik and Romaine to adjust to the game when they game on, too, such was the frantic nature, a real Cup tie. I thought Henrik's physical presence made a difference, if nothing else.

More worrying was the defending, which ultimately cost us the win. Again, Barnet were all over us when they got forward and pounced on any hesitation on the ball, we gave them 2 quick goals just because their players wanted it more than we did. Daniels did well enough and their free-kick goal was well taken, it was the three centre backs that needed to deal with the pressure they were put under. Barbet, in particular, couldn't cope with Ephron Mason-Clark, who gave him a torrid time, and was bailed out by Jeanvier more than once, coming right across with some Row Z clearances. He wasn't helped by Rico's display, I guess.

Anyway, probably a good watch for the neutrals, with a lot of open play and talking points. We had so many chances that were blocked by various body parts, including Yoann taking one in the face in their penalty area, and we know we'll get more of the same, so we need the team to deal with it and a decent crowd to get behind the team like Barnet's did in their Cup Final.
I'm with you two.
Defending was more panicked/wobbly yesterday and that cost us in the end (they didn't have tons of chances).
I don't think the front three were at their best but we still created enough to have won with better finishing/control or a bit more rub of the green.
Rico and Benrahma is a much better combo than Canos because their overlapping pace makes it a nightmare for the opposition (Canos doesn't bring the same threat imo - though he did take his goal nicely).
Again in midfield we rested (I hope) the player who provides most of the running there (Kamo) leaving McE who's not particularly mobile and Da Silva who still looks a way off the first team yet and didn't have much impact.
Wasn't a surprise when Da Silva was hooked but Sawyers and McE still has/had the same issue as a combination. They both are better with someone more mobile/energetic alongside them rather than together. Together it's like an american football team having two quarterbacks and less runners to aim for.
We probably should have won but I can't begrudge Barnet the draw.
 

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Some comical comments on the BBC report from overly biased morons who probably watched the game wearing rose tinted blinkers.

Oli comes in for serious grief for his apparent dive (more of a stumble).
 

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Fingers crossed for the tv pick then!! :)

WBA v Brighton
Wolves v Shrewsbury
QPR v Portsmouth
Brentford v Barnet

Surely our game is better for neutral tv watchers than the other three?
Yep particularly after the drama last night. Surely the last non league club in the cup has to be covered by someone?
 

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Viz a viz. Strongest side. So, now we have a replay where there is more of a chance of injuries because of the extra game caused by NOT picking our strongest side. Give me a break.
There are a lot of reasons why all teams do a bit of rotating. One of them is if you get an injury and the replacement hasn't played for weeks or months, then you will get a rusty replacement.

That was a strong side and there are many reasons why it ended up a draw apart from the midfield pairing.
 

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Nice to be able to come away from a draw and still have enjoyed the match. If this had been a league game and we had conceded the last goal we would be really pissed off at the two points dropped. Cannot recall the last time we drew a cup game. Help please!
 

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Any Barnet players that could be targets for us in the summer and that fit our DofFs incoming age profile???
 

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Any Barnet players that could be targets for us in the summer and that fit our DofFs incoming age profile???
Striker and right wing must be of interest, although don't know their profiles. Having said that Spurs supporting colleague said he rated the striker at Spurs before he was released. Does he have the right kid?
 

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I thought our starting midfield two didn't work hard enough but they've not played together before IIRC.
I felt JM did much better with Sawyers next to him (they seem to find each others movement easier to play with).

Enjoyed the game and if the replay serves up similar entertainment then it will be a cracker!
 

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Striker and right wing must be of interest, although don't know their profiles. Having said that Spurs supporting colleague said he rated the striker at Spurs before he was released. Does he have the right kid?
Coulthirst ? I believe so
 

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It was a good game for the neutral, but a bad game for Brentford FC.

I was in the minority of Bees fans in not losing faith in TF even during the 4 points out of 30 run, and the subsequent plummet down the league. I was both relieved and glad when he turned things around, got us winning games and even returned to the flowing football, however part of all that was lost for me yesterday with that team selection.

IMO, he should have stuck with the team that was winning games and playing flowing football. If he had done so, and we took a 3 goal lead, then he could have subbed a few key players for a rest. Instead he mucked around with the midfield and lost all our momentum from the previous 7 games. Our recovery is still green, it's important to keep that going and he threw it away for nothing.

Daniels for Bentley - yes. Henry for Dalsgaard - yes. Dasilva and McEachran for Mokotjo and Sawyers - no way. Canos for Benrahma - no way.

We should have been knocked out of the cup yesterday (would have been if VAR was functioning), by a team 71 league positions below us.

IMO it was a shocking dereliction of duty / responsibility by our head coach. Yet another example of not taking the cup seriously, even when we have a good chance of making the final 16.

It has been observed by many, that when we play without the "4 amigos" - McEachran, McLeod, Yennaris and Judge - the team play better. In that respect I can't fathom why he would put McEachran back into that mix.

Very disappointing situation and one I sincerely hope TF learns from.
 

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It was a good game for the neutral, but a bad game for Brentford FC.

I was in the minority of Bees fans in not losing faith in TF even during the 4 points out of 30 run, and the subsequent plummet down the league. I was both relieved and glad when he turned things around, got us winning games and even returned to the flowing football, however part of all that was lost for me yesterday with that team selection.

IMO, he should have stuck with the team that was winning games and playing flowing football. If he had done so, and we took a 3 goal lead, then he could have subbed a few key players for a rest. Instead he mucked around with the midfield and lost all our momentum from the previous 7 games. Our recovery is still green, it's important to keep that going and he threw it away for nothing.

Daniels for Bentley - yes. Henry for Dalsgaard - yes. Dasilva and McEachran for Mokotjo and Sawyers - no way. Canos for Benrahma - no way.

We should have been knocked out of the cup yesterday (would have been if VAR was functioning), by a team 71 league positions below us.

IMO it was a shocking dereliction of duty / responsibility by our head coach. Yet another example of not taking the cup seriously, even when we have a good chance of making the final 16.

It has been observed by many, that when we play without the "4 amigos" - McEachran, McLeod, Yennaris and Judge - the team play better. In that respect I can't fathom why he would put McEachran back into that mix.

Very disappointing situation and one I sincerely hope TF learns from.
What a load of old tosh. As has been mentioned hundred times already Kamo is injured, yet you’d still play him anyway would you!? Therefore the only real gripe is Sawyer’s not starting
 

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Did anyone else think their manager was a ******. Every time they scored he did some weird monkey dance, running on the pitch and giving it large towards the away support.

Also think that anyone who wears leather gloves is a weirdo.
Leather gloves weird? Why? Maybe you go naked and wear a leather head mask, bodice and thigh length boots........
 

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I too have been wearing my black leather gloves but with the rings over them in tribute to the late, great Alvin Stardust
Today I wore one brown and one black leather glove. I just wanted to.
 

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It was a good game for the neutral, but a bad game for Brentford FC.

I was in the minority of Bees fans in not losing faith in TF even during the 4 points out of 30 run, and the subsequent plummet down the league. I was both relieved and glad when he turned things around, got us winning games and even returned to the flowing football, however part of all that was lost for me yesterday with that team selection.

IMO, he should have stuck with the team that was winning games and playing flowing football. If he had done so, and we took a 3 goal lead, then he could have subbed a few key players for a rest. Instead he mucked around with the midfield and lost all our momentum from the previous 7 games. Our recovery is still green, it's important to keep that going and he threw it away for nothing.

Daniels for Bentley - yes. Henry for Dalsgaard - yes. Dasilva and McEachran for Mokotjo and Sawyers - no way. Canos for Benrahma - no way.

We should have been knocked out of the cup yesterday (would have been if VAR was functioning), by a team 71 league positions below us.

IMO it was a shocking dereliction of duty / responsibility by our head coach. Yet another example of not taking the cup seriously, even when we have a good chance of making the final 16.

It has been observed by many, that when we play without the "4 amigos" - McEachran, McLeod, Yennaris and Judge - the team play better. In that respect I can't fathom why he would put McEachran back into that mix.

Very disappointing situation and one I sincerely hope TF learns from.
I didn't like the midfield pairing either but this is total hysteria. Dereliction of duty? Part of that was lost? Good god. We had 27 shots to 11 and enough chances to bury the game. 5 mins of defensive madness, hitting the post 4 times and a worldy were the reasons we didn't win. Get back in your box.
 

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I thought it was a good game of football. We passed it better, Barnet played really well without hoofing it

Our solid defence appears to have deteriorated with the introduction of Josh and Josh in front of it

Our wing backs are on fire in current formation

Loved Maupay putting the pen the way the gobshite sh*t keeper pointed and then having a word afterwards
 

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It was a good game for the neutral, but a bad game for Brentford FC.

I was in the minority of Bees fans in not losing faith in TF even during the 4 points out of 30 run, and the subsequent plummet down the league. I was both relieved and glad when he turned things around, got us winning games and even returned to the flowing football, however part of all that was lost for me yesterday with that team selection.

IMO, he should have stuck with the team that was winning games and playing flowing football. If he had done so, and we took a 3 goal lead, then he could have subbed a few key players for a rest. Instead he mucked around with the midfield and lost all our momentum from the previous 7 games. Our recovery is still green, it's important to keep that going and he threw it away for nothing.

Daniels for Bentley - yes. Henry for Dalsgaard - yes. Dasilva and McEachran for Mokotjo and Sawyers - no way. Canos for Benrahma - no way.

We should have been knocked out of the cup yesterday (would have been if VAR was functioning), by a team 71 league positions below us.

IMO it was a shocking dereliction of duty / responsibility by our head coach. Yet another example of not taking the cup seriously, even when we have a good chance of making the final 16.

It has been observed by many, that when we play without the "4 amigos" - McEachran, McLeod, Yennaris and Judge - the team play better. In that respect I can't fathom why he would put McEachran back into that mix.

Very disappointing situation and one I sincerely hope TF learns from.
This is first class bedwetting. We probably all agree on the general points but we needed to try the Joshes in a competitive game and whilst if didn’t work we’ve at least learnt it doesn’t work

Canos scored a fine team goal and took the game to them. Said is better but again we need to mix it up a bit

You can’t apply VAR after the event. We might have changed tactics etc if losing. Their FK award was dodgy.
 
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