GONE Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)

[Beefletch]

Good deal for both parties - £28 million for a player who has played one season as a striker is a hefty price but equally if you look at where he was at the beginning of the season compared to his performance against Swansea the improvement is staggering really. Keep improving and international honours may not be out of reach.

Judging by England’s performance yesterday against Denmark his international chances are within reach already!

 

[wanderer paul]

When does the Securicor van turn-up? Asking for a friend.

It'll be turning up in July for the next five years with £5.6m in cash per visit.

 

[Banana]

Right, I think I might go and have a little cry. Even if it is £28m. Even if it is a Club record. I am still going to have a little cry.

 

[TW3Bee]

Good luck Ollie, will follow your progress with interest.

Hopefully Gareth Southgate is too.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Judging by England’s performance yesterday against Denmark his international chances are within reach already!

True but there were some players missing as well - he is probably in top 10 (just) of English strikers but getting into a squad of say 4 out and out strikers is going to be pretty tough unless he bangs in 15 next season

 

[Bigbee]

The best way I have found of getting over a relationship is going straight out and finding someone else ,even if it's for one night..Can we get a couple of new signings in please? :-(

 

[kendo]

A very level headed and excellent young man. Thank you Ollie I wish you all the best.

 

[JANORAK]

When does the Securicor van turn-up? Asking for a friend.

Hope all the satnavs have been updated. Don’t want them turning up at GP by mistake.

 

[Edmundo]

Good luck Ollie !

Kerching!

 

[LboroBee]

The best way I have found of getting over a relationship is going straight out and finding someone else ,even if it's for one night..Can we get a couple of new signings in please? :-(

Drewe Broughton, Peter Beadle, Richard Pacquette, Jerome Sobers, take your pick...

 

[kevalutonbee]

Drewe Broughton, Peter Beadle, Richard Pacquette, Jerome Sobers, take your pick...

Jerome Sobers was a loan wasn't he?

I will add Will Grigg, Paul Hayes, Nick Proschwitz and Philip Hoffmann though

 

[kevalutonbee]

All the best Ollie.

Somewhat conflicted now though. For personal reasons I dislike Villa with a passion but now their future and Ollies are linked.

 

[Ealing Bee]

Thanks for letting us know we're a small club , we had no idea, now piss off

Tbf getting riled at his "small club" comment is a bit er "small club", no? Best just to let it pass, esp since it will make it all the sweeter when this small club eventually overtakes The Mighty Villa - and using their money too! lol

So as far as I'm concerned, Norwegian can stay - I want him here when that time comes!

 

[finsbury_bee]

Playing in PL aside, I can’t even imagine what it would feel like to sign a contract for 70k a week.

 

[Friji]

All the best to him.

Glad we got him shipped out with plenty of time to go in the transfer window - gives us lots of time to size up other targets!

 

[IslandBee]

Right, I think I might go and have a little cry. Even if it is £28m. Even if it is a Club record. I am still going to have a little cry.

Yep, I know the feeling. He will always be one of my all-time favourites! That performance against Swansea at home will live long in the memory!

Good luck Ollie and thanks for the skill, passion and unbelievable amounts of hard work!!

 

[Ealing Bee]

Judging by England’s performance yesterday against Denmark his international chances are within reach already!

Missed some of the game, but from what I did see, No.9 is the least of Southgate's problems.

If anything Kane was a bit unlucky - no service, but might still have scored when his goalbound shot was cleared off the line. (Also had one incorrectly ruled out vs Iceland)

 

[nocoat]

amazing bit of business once again. WELL DONE BEES

 

[GlasgowBee]

Ollie did us and himself proud, and from the accounts here, he sounds a top bloke. I can only wish him all the very best, and thank you for many delightful moments :bees:

 

[beetee]

Good luck Ollie... Great deal for him and us.

 

[footman]

All the best to him.

Glad we got him shipped out with plenty of time to go in the transfer window - gives us lots of time to size up other targets!

I think we have known our targets for quite a long time. The time left in the transfer window is irrelevant in this respect.

 

[kevalutonbee]

I think we have known our targets for quite a long time. The time left in the transfer window is irrelevant in this respect.

Just playing Devils Advocate but might selling clubs try to force the price up knowing we have just sold Ollie?

I suppose with the DoFs we have they can try.........

 

[High Street Bee]

Probably a dumb question but do we (and Exeter) get settled up in one go or is payment spread over a period of time?

I only ask as ISTR Villa owing us money on Hogan in the past

 

[Banana]

Probably a dumb question but do we (and Exeter) get settled up in one go or is payment spread over a period of time?

I only ask as ISTR Villa owing us money on Hogan in the past

Probably spread over time. But our outgoing will be the same. Just a matter of syncing-up the cash flows.

 

[gbems92]

Just playing Devils Advocate but might selling clubs try to force the price up knowing we have just sold Ollie?

I suppose with the DoFs we have they can try.........

Im sure this would have happened a gazillion times and we simply walk away

 

[High Street Bee]

Thank you

Im sure syncing-up cash flows aka money juggling is a speciality of ours now!

 

[looneytunes]

Probably a dumb question but do we (and Exeter) get settled up in one go or is payment spread over a period of time?

I only ask as ISTR Villa owing us money on Hogan in the past

It used to be 50% followed by instalments although that may have changed now

 

[Banana]

Managed to find top transfer fees paid for English players in TransferMarkt after some hullabaloo. Usefully they list the fees in Euros

OW's fee of £28m is €30.8m in Euros so is listed 12th below

 

[Gee Bee]

I THINK this is the 5th highest ever paid for an English player. Does anyone have authoritative data on this?

Maguire, Stones, Sterling, Kyle Walker, Chilwell & Rio Ferdinand top 6 and more than Watkins, not sure who's after them

 

[Banana]

Maguire, Stones, Sterling, Kyle Walker, Chilwell & Rio Ferdinand top 6 and more than Watkins, not sure who's after them

Not sure why Rio isn't listed by TransferMarkrt :shrug:

 

[FJBee]

Most expensive English striker going by that list. Pretty sure it's missing a couple though (Andy Carroll was £35m IIRC)

 

[jlove]

Not sure why Rio isn't listed by TransferMarkrt :shrug:

Perhaps that he's no longer available for transfer...

 

[Banana]

Perhaps that he's no longer available for transfer...

is Shaun Wright-Phillips available for transfer?

 

[jlove]

is Shaun Wright-Phillips available for transfer?

Surely not! It does seem quite random.

 

[Chorlton Bee]

It used to be 50% followed by instalments although that may have changed now

If you can be bothered Posh chairman covers the subject in his last podcast relating to sell ons and Toney transfer, and that incoming fees are amortised over a few years.

Incidentally that was what Derby were falling foul of in their accounting, recording the depreciation of playing assets different to everyone else

 

[LingfieldBee]

I just hope they stick him up top and give a place to shine and not out wide.

 

[Banana]

If you can be bothered Posh chairman covers the subject in his last podcast relating to sell ons and Toney transfer, and that incoming fees are amortised over a few years.

Incidentally that was what Derby were falling foul of in their accounting, recording the depreciation of playing assets different to everyone else

Amortisation is an accounting treatment. The payments via instalments (or not) is an entirely different matter.

 

[Banana]

From Exeter City FC ( https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/2020/september2/ollie-watkins-transfer/ )

"The deal with Brentford included a sell on clause of 15 per cent of the profit of any future sale."

"‘It should also be acknowledged that we do not receive a lump sum and we will receive the income in instalments, the details of which we do not yet have possession of."

"We would also like to pass on our thanks to Brentford for the way in which they have handled both this and the original transfer."

 

[abee]

From Exeter City FC ( https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/2020/september2/ollie-watkins-transfer/ )

"The deal with Brentford included a sell on clause of 15 per cent of the profit of any future sale."

"‘It should also be acknowledged that we do not receive a lump sum and we will receive the income in instalments, the details of which we do not yet have possession of."

"We would also like to pass on our thanks to Brentford for the way in which they have handled both this and the original transfer."

Is this for the first sale only because if so it's not how it reads. Presumably we have a 'sell on' with Villa so do Exeter have 15% of that if it comes about??.

 

[Chorlton Bee]

Amortisation is an accounting treatment. The payments via instalments (or not) is an entirely different matter.

Installments is the word I was grasping for, 2nd point stands through.

 

[TadB]

Im pushed to say Ollie is certainly the best forward we have ever had. Might even say he's possibly the best player I've seen. Yes even better than Said

Hopefully I will be a little more expansive in my reply, and also will attempt to be supportive. I have thought carefully in respect to the first statement, and as I can go back into the dim and distant past it was a difficult process as other than the that the first one or two seasons and the recent past all our football has been played in the lower leagues. Along the road there have been many heroes, however, all have been lower league players (I discount the one season at second level) in my opinion none of these can be compared to Watkins who has performed not only in the Championship, but in a team who finished third. I have considered Jim Towers, George Towers, and even Tommy Lawton, but all that was so far back my memory is clouded. I therefore share your view that Watkins is the best Centre Forward I can remember ever seening play for Brentford. The second statement is personal to you, and it is not for me to comment on. As for Olli being better than Said, well that is also an opinion, and an opinion that not only are you entitled to, but also one that is well founded. They are of course entirely different players with a different skill set so again difficult to make a rational decision. Watkins is I believe a better all round player, certainly a very potent striker, easy on the ball, and good defensively, indeed he would probably be comfortable in many positions. If pushed I would agree with you, but only just, with the reservation that they are both very good, but entirely different. At the end of the day these are your opinions so well said.

 

[stevil]

From Exeter City FC ( https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/2020/september2/ollie-watkins-transfer/ )

"The deal with Brentford included a sell on clause of 15 per cent of the profit of any future sale."

"‘It should also be acknowledged that we do not receive a lump sum and we will receive the income in instalments, the details of which we do not yet have possession of."

"We would also like to pass on our thanks to Brentford for the way in which they have handled both this and the original transfer."

That's brilliant. Great that they can sustain the club for years off the back of this....

 

[Jay Bee]

From Exeter City FC ( https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/2020/september2/ollie-watkins-transfer/ )

"The deal with Brentford included a sell on clause of 15 per cent of the profit of any future sale."

"‘It should also be acknowledged that we do not receive a lump sum and we will receive the income in instalments, the details of which we do not yet have possession of."

"We would also like to pass on our thanks to Brentford for the way in which they have handled both this and the original transfer."

Is this for the first sale only because if so it's not how it reads. Presumably we have a 'sell on' with Villa so do Exeter have 15% of that if it comes about??.

I would have read "any future sale" as any sale of the player, by anyone, in future, for which profit accrues to Brentford.
I think this is how we usually write our own sell on clauses hence us getting two sell ons on Alfie Mawson.

You could alternatively read "the profit of any future sale" it as "any profit in the event that the player is sold [by Brentford]".

 

[jlove]

There's solidarity payment for development and there's add-ons in a sale contract. I doubt that a sale contract clause can have validity in a on-sell sale contract to a future contract, it would be extremely complex and involve full disclosure.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

All comments now in the Former Bee Ollie thread please.

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=134143