GONE Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa) (1 Viewer)

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No. We owe it to Ollie and Said, we'd more likely say no to Mbeumo.
Very reasonable reply.
So, taking the hypothetical questioning further, (just for fun) does that mean that if Leicester were to 'meet our evaluation', or whatever our selling club policy is at present, do we say Bryan is not for sale this season because we fully expect clubs to meet our valuation for Said and Ollie?
What then happens if Villa/Fulham/whoever refuse to go above say, £20million with zero add-ons for Ollie - do we accept?

Oh wait, just seen new replies - so you think we'd more likely just take all the money and go on a shopping spree?
 

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Fantasy speculation question:

Say Leicester come back tomorrow with a £30million bid for Bryan and we accept and he goes.
Then say on Monday some other team come in with £30million for Said and we accept and they're both gone by Weds eve, and we've got £60million in the bank.

Q - Would we then say Watkins is no longer for sale, as we've made enough money for the summer and he's under contract?
I imagine that when we sign a player, we make an agreement with them as to the circumstances whereby they may leave (appearances, fee, length of contract remaining, Premier League opportunity etc), with this agreement being regularly reviewed as the player progresses etc. It's one of the reasons why we can sometimes sign players ahead of other clubs, who may be "bigger" or offering more money (eg Maupay choosing Bees over Brighton).

Therefore if we were to renege on such agreements eg "You can't go Bryan, even though XYZ FC have met your agreed valuation, because we're also losing Said and Ollie", then it would seriously piss off the player, news would get round the football village, and suddenly players would be more reluctant to sign in future.

We must therefore assume that the club has made provision for the possibility of one, two or even all three of BMW moving on during this window.

In Bryan's case, I'd guess that such has been his rate of progress in his first season that eg they spoke to him in the new year and upped the transfer fee at which he can leave, in return for an enhanced contract at BFC (or somesuch).
 

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What part can't you agree with, the Knockheart bit I agree he is Gash, I though that they had bought him in Jan but turns out they only sealed the deal now.

Other than that Fulham played decent football, you can't say they didn't.
Buying Watkins a very good buy, you can't disagree with that.
I hope they go straight back down, you can't disagree with that.
He will earn loads more money and wil stay at home, you can't disagree with that.

Basically you just said you disagree because you are tasting sour grapes.
No sour grapes here, they deserved to beat us we were poop. I just think it would be a poor move.

For what its worth I hate that lot from the bush way and above Fulham. In fact Fulham dont even come close.

Yes if he wants to go for money then he should be swimming down the Thames to seal the deal. If its for football matters, there are better options. Fulham were a good team in the Champ. I will wait to be proved wrong about their ability in the top league.
 

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Ahhh... That was talking about the chance to keep Ollie IIRC, the question this time is to keep ollie and sign toney
If Ollie was guaranteed to stay, we'd not be buying Toney.
 

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I think Ollie is capable of going right to the top of the game and being objective I don't think another season in the Championship coming up to 25 years of age is his best option. He needs to be playing somewhere in the PL that will play to his strengths and develop him to the next level. His next choice of club will be critical to how far he will go.
 

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They went up.
Mmmm ... I think he's referring to the fact that they spunked 100 million on changing a decent promotion winning team with a chance of survival into a bunch of relegation bound nobodies.
 

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Mmmm ... I think he's referring to the fact that they spunked 100 million on changing a decent promotion winning team with a chance of survival into a bunch of relegation bound nobodies.
Ta - in one.
 

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Mmmm ... I think he's referring to the fact that they spunked 100 million on changing a decent promotion winning team with a chance of survival into a bunch of relegation bound nobodies.
Oh I see.

Yes, their procurement was brilliantly appalling.

Fingers crossed.
 

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Mmmm ... I think he's referring to the fact that they spunked 100 million on changing a decent promotion winning team with a chance of survival into a bunch of relegation bound nobodies.
And ironically won promotion back using a team mainly made up of the ones who were still there from their previous promotion.
 

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Another nothing story.

"Ollie Watkins remains his primary attacking target and Villa are hopeful of a breakthrough in talks with Brentford over the coming week."

What actual substance is there to that? I'm hopeful of a cure for baldness, but it's in hope rather than expectation!
What they mean is that they are hopeful that we will agree to £18 million.
 
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Are AVFC really going to part with £30m with the risk that they will get relegated next season? I don't think so.
 

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Are AVFC really going to part with £30m with the risk that they will get relegated next season? I don't think so.
Slightly strange point of view...not sure the board at Aston Villa would be sponsoring a manager saving his pennies for relegation. Given that each club gets a minimum of £80m a season in revenue from being in EPL...Villa will have a budget which is a fair chunk of that.

I’d dare say even if they are going to struggle again this season having a striker of Watkins form and energy is going to buy them more points this season...and they’ll have arguably the best striker in the championship if they come down (and whom won’t be on international superstar wages).
 

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Slightly strange point of view...not sure the board at Aston Villa would be sponsoring a manager saving his pennies for relegation. Given that each club gets a minimum of £80m a season in revenue from being in EPL...Villa will have a budget which is a fair chunk of that.

I’d dare say even if they are going to struggle again this season having a striker of Watkins form and energy is going to buy them more points this season...and they’ll have arguably the best striker in the championship if they come down (and whom won’t be on international superstar wages).
I think their problem is that they can't really defend. Ollie will only help marginally with that issue. Though they're welcome to sling 30 million our way.
 

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Are AVFC really going to part with £30m with the risk that they will get relegated next season? I don't think so.
If they think it might keep them up of course they will. If 30m guaranteed them staying up they would write it off now.

The real question is would 30m on Watkins improve their chances of staying up, probably yes. Another question, if it is a gamble that didn’t pay off dean smith will probably get the tin tack so doesn’t care anyway.
 

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I think their problem is that they can't really defend. Ollie will only help marginally with that issue. Though they're welcome to sling 30 million our way.
A fair point! Although Ollie does put a shift in, scores goals and pins teams back...so may have a bigger impact than you’d imagine!

If Grealish leaves they are also going to need to significantly improve their attacking prowess...and will have plenty of cash to do it!
 

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A fair point! Although Ollie does put a shift in, scores goals and pins teams back...so may have a bigger impact than you’d imagine!

If Grealish leaves they are also going to need to significantly improve their attacking prowess...and will have plenty of cash to do it!
Problem in the Prem (like Bmuff) if you leak too many at the other end it will bite you in the a**e.
 

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Can't see anyone paying £30m for a Championship player unless about £10m of it is in add-ons.
 

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Would you not apply the same argument to Fulham?
To be honest, I don’t think any team that comes in for Watkins will be nailed on safe from relegation next season. Unlikely any of the top six likely to show an interest
 

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I would hazard a guess we should get around 20 million with another 5 in add ons. If Eze at QPR went for 20 million inclusive of add ons then I’d say that’s about right for Ollie. Let’s see.
 

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There's a big list of Premier League teams that need not only a goal-scorer but one who can be the link-up player in attack and the first line of defence – Ollie has proved that in abundance... and he's home grown.

Villa, Palace, Newcastle, Sheffield Utd – none had a player scoring over 9 goals last season; WBA and Leeds do not have prolific scorers and Fulham have Mitrović, who has racked up Championship goals by being the target man and penalty-taker but is easily managed by PL defences and contributes nothing else. There's a long way to go yet and the price will just rack up.
 

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There's a big list of Premier League teams that need not only a goal-scorer but one who can be the link-up player in attack and the first line of defence – Ollie has proved that in abundance... and he's home grown.

Villa, Palace, Newcastle, Sheffield Utd – none had a player scoring over 9 goals last season; WBA and Leeds do not have prolific scorers and Fulham have Mitrović, who has racked up Championship goals by being the target man and penalty-taker but is easily managed by PL defences and contributes nothing else. There's a long way to go yet and the price will just rack up.
Mitrovic got 11 premiership goals in a terrible team last time. Wherever he goes, Watkins will do well to beat that.
 
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