GONE Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)

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Add another 5 million on top. OW is class. He will bring so much to any team. IMO i dont know why some of the bigger sides arent willing to take a punt on him.
Reckon there might be a lot more interest than is currently being reported.
 
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https://the72.co.uk/189703/aston-villa-ready-to-spend-combined-40m-on-efl-star-duo/

The Independent’s Kershaw writes that Villa are “confident” of landing Forest star Cash in a deal that could stretch to £15m; this coming after they’d had a £10m bid rejected for the dangerous defender.

In the same article Kershaw mentions that Villa are being more than active in the current window writing that the Villans were “also attempting to negotiate” a deal for Watkins with “a fee set to reach around £25m for the striker.”

Villa might be proactive in the transfer market but it is going to cost them at least £40m on Matty Cash and Ollie Watkins.



£25m (all-in) for Watkins. Oh dear.
 

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Think 18m plus 7m add ons would be a decent return, Toney cost apparently 5 mill plus 4-5 mill add ons.In my opinion it will be harder to score goals for Ollie in the PL than it will Ivan in the championship.
 

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Think 18m plus 7m add ons would be a decent return, Toney cost apparently 5 mill plus 4-5 mill add ons.In my opinion it will be harder to score goals for Ollie in the PL than it will Ivan in the championship.
Glad you're not in charge then :D
 

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£25m (all-in) for Watkins. Oh dear.
Is that 'oh dear' it's not enough, or 'oh dear' he's off?

Personally, I'd say that's a pretty good offer (if it has even been made). Of course, the DoFs can stretch this out for another 4-5 weeks to see how much they can get, as we are comfortable we have a replacement now. At some point, it's a difficult balancing act though. If £25/£26m were the top offer near the end of the window, I would imagine they would accept, rather than keep a disappointed Ollie who might begrudge a decent chance to play in the PL.

I would have thought the club are confident an offer they will be happy with is close, otherwise he'd be playing in the friendlies. Hopefully, that offer will be nearer the £30m!
 

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Is that 'oh dear' it's not enough, or 'oh dear' he's off?

Personally, I'd say that's a pretty good offer (if it has even been made). Of course, the DoFs can stretch this out for another 4-5 weeks to see how much they can get, as we are comfortable we have a replacement now. At some point, it's a difficult balancing act though. If £25/£26m were the top offer near the end of the window, I would imagine they would accept, rather than keep a disappointed Ollie who might begrudge a decent chance to play in the PL.

I would have thought the club are confident an offer they will be happy with is close, otherwise he'd be playing in the friendlies. Hopefully, that offer will be nearer the £30m!
If we were to accept £25m, I'd want to include a sizeable sell on clause. Some of his play last season was utter top class striking fare. He sometimes snatches at chances, but a top class team with a finishing school could hammer that out of him sharpish. He's super strong, quick, has a great eye for space, and uses his body cleverly. If Arsenal didn't have Auba, he'd be a super bet to lead their line, never mind Villa! He'd be a perfect choice for about half the Prem.

Newcastle would kill for a player of his abilities
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Leicester to replace Vardy - would be an excellent idea, actually, he'd work excellently for them, I imagine
Hell, he could even do a passable impression of Firmino at times, so let's add the champions in there.

If I were DoF, I'd be asking for £20m up front, £10 in performance, 30% of profit from next sale.
 

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Is that 'oh dear' it's not enough, or 'oh dear' he's off?

Personally, I'd say that's a pretty good offer (if it has even been made). Of course, the DoFs can stretch this out for another 4-5 weeks to see how much they can get, as we are comfortable we have a replacement now. At some point, it's a difficult balancing act though. If £25/£26m were the top offer near the end of the window, I would imagine they would accept, rather than keep a disappointed Ollie who might begrudge a decent chance to play in the PL.

I would have thought the club are confident an offer they will be happy with is close, otherwise he'd be playing in the friendlies. Hopefully, that offer will be nearer the £30m!
There is a small part of me that says we sell one of the front 3 from last year but that's just me wishful thinking. Lol.
 

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I hate all talk of £20-25mill (cant believe im saying that)

Would like to think we are holding out for £30mill. Hes worth that.
 

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Will be so disappointed to lose him though. Looks like a decent lad to have around the squad as well as a top top player.
 

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If we were to accept £25m, I'd want to include a sizeable sell on clause. Some of his play last season was utter top class striking fare. He sometimes snatches at chances, but a top class team with a finishing school could hammer that out of him sharpish. He's super strong, quick, has a great eye for space, and uses his body cleverly. If Arsenal didn't have Auba, he'd be a super bet to lead their line, never mind Villa! He'd be a perfect choice for about half the Prem.

Newcastle would kill for a player of his abilities
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Leicester to replace Vardy - would be an excellent idea, actually, he'd work excellently for them, I imagine
Hell, he could even do a passable impression of Firmino at times, so let's add the champions in there.

If I were DoF, I'd be asking for £20m up front, £10 in performance, 30% of profit from next sale.
Nketiah played a lot for Arsenal last season while they had Aubameyang. I think Ollie’s better than Nketiah right now and could win a place on the pitch. I’m sure there’ll be plenty of interest and sensible offers. But as we have Toney now, if PL teams want to fight it out at the end of the window they can be my guest. He’s got his head screwed on so might bang in 3 or 4 goals in September while they umm and arr about it. Or go in January for £30m+ if nobody makes the right offer.
 

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Would not be surprised if Aston Villa walk away from the Watkins deal and then pay more for a lesser player like they did last year when they ended up spending £22m on Wesley. A comedy signing that did for their Head of Recruitment.
 

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Would not be surprised if Aston Villa walk away from the Watkins deal and then pay more for a lesser player like they did last year when they ended up spending £22m on Wesley. A comedy signing that did for their Head of Recruitment.
I wonder if Villa feel a little burned by buying Hogan from us.
 
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Is that 'oh dear' it's not enough, or 'oh dear' he's off?
Don't think we are going to settle for £25m all-in. No way.

£25m as a min up-front, with at least £5-8m in add-ons I would have thought. And then a tasty sell-on percentage
 

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We had this last year with Maupay, where many seemed sure (and took the effort to tell Sheffield Utd's forum) that he wouldn't go for less than £20m. In the end we got £16.5m + £2m in add-ons from Brighton, I think?

I'd love to think we could ask for £25m-£30m up-front for Watkins, but realistically I reckon the basic figure will be around £22m. Hopefully with some decent add-ons.
 
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We had this last year with Maupay, where many seemed sure (and took the effort to tell Sheffield Utd's forum) that he wouldn't go for less than £20m. In the end we got £16.5m + £2m in add-ons from Brighton, I think?
What???
 

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We had this last year with Maupay, where many seemed sure (and took the effort to tell Sheffield Utd's forum) that he wouldn't go for less than £20m. In the end we got £16.5m + £2m in add-ons from Brighton, I think?

I'd love to think we could ask for £25m-£30m up-front for Watkins, but realistically I reckon the basic figure will be around £22m. Hopefully with some decent add-ons.
All that sounds extremely official. Where did all those figures come from?
 

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One of a few examples on that very long Sheff Utd thread on Maupay
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All that sounds extremely official. Where did all those figures come from?
Certainly the basic amount that was reported in the media is £16m. I can't find anything from a quick search about the add-ons, but something I thought I'd read previously on here.
 

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I wonder if Villa feel a little burned by buying Hogan from us.
Their own fault for not playing him the right way.
 
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Certainly the basic amount that was reported in the media is £16m
I don't remember seeing that, and TransferMarkt (who get their info from the media) have the fee as £20m

Also not sure why you have censored the name of a post on a public forum :confused:
 

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I don't remember seeing that, and TransferMarkt (who get their info from the media) have the fee as £20m

Also not sure why you have censored the name of a post on a public forum :confused:
If someone is wrong (as the below links saying £16m would suggest), I don't want to shame them online for a post they made over a year ago :shrug:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48975141

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot.../brighton-confirm-20million-maupay-brentford/

https://www.brightonandhoveindepend...d-and-shining-premier-league-brighton-1337230

I could go on, but this is the Ollie Watkins thread. Not my fault if they're all wrong. Interestingly The Sun actually initially reported £20m as per the URL, but then revised it down to £16m, suggesting that the corrected figure should be more accurate.
 

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Leicester paid 20 million for Maddison. Eze went for a little less than that. The fee for Ollie will have to eclipse both of those.
 

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I'm not sure Ollie improves most of the lesser Premier League teams maybe for the price we're reputedly asking it'll be one of the top eight taking a gamble they can get even more out of him surrounded by top top top professionals. His dream move would be Arsenal.
:confused: He wouldn’t improve the lesser teams but would improve one of the top 8?
 

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We had this last year with Maupay, where many seemed sure (and took the effort to tell Sheffield Utd's forum) that he wouldn't go for less than £20m. In the end we got £16.5m + £2m in add-ons from Brighton, I think?

I'd love to think we could ask for £25m-£30m up-front for Watkins, but realistically I reckon the basic figure will be around £22m. Hopefully with some decent add-ons.
Its 25 million plus adds. Take it or leave it.
 

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When Brentford buy or sell a player the fee is always "undisclosed". Obviously someone at Brentford knows, the player and his agent have a good idea. Her Majesties Revenue and Customs should know. Companies House could take an educated guess in a few months from the submitted accounts.
So how the cuff does everyone and his dog know how many beer tokens are exchanged for players ?
 

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So how the cuff does everyone and his dog know how many beer tokens are exchanged for players ?
The media can make up any number they like, knowing that neither club will dispute it as it will mean declaring the correct amount.

Witness, the recent Twitter response by Darragh MacAnthony to a fan questioning the £5M for Toney that SkyBot reported:

3 things that are important.

Sky report of the fee is incorrect.

No transfer is usually up front especially in current times, same as when we buy a player.

We of course have sell on commitments which are normal.

Superb business for plyr with 10 months left/during pandemic.
In days gone by, when clubs actually talked numbers, there was always a significant difference between the selling and buying club's figures, due to simple accounting. The selling club reported the actual net fee received on a cash basis, money they could count on; the buying club reported the accrual, that is the net fee, plus the liabilities, such as add-ons, plus tax, as is correct in company financial accounting standards. I think this is the main reason that they're almost all "undisclosed", the average fan and journalists are only only interested in a headline number, so are confused by the detail. It is quite amusing to see what gets reported (and therefore becomes the truth) when you actually know the figures! BFC is in a bit of a funny position with sales in that there is under-reporting which I presume is because the number actually reached is considered unbelievable. (That's not saying I'm ITK, of course.)
 

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The media can make up any number they like, knowing that neither club will dispute it as it will mean declaring the correct amount.

Witness, the recent Twitter response by Darragh MacAnthony to a fan questioning the £5M for Toney that SkyBot reported:



In days gone by, when clubs actually talked numbers, there was always a significant difference between the selling and buying club's figures, due to simple accounting. The selling club reported the actual net fee received on a cash basis, money they could count on; the buying club reported the accrual, that is the net fee, plus the liabilities, such as add-ons, plus tax, as is correct in company financial accounting standards. I think this is the main reason that they're almost all "undisclosed", the average fan and journalists are only only interested in a headline number, so are confused by the detail. It is quite amusing to see what gets reported (and therefore becomes the truth) when you actually know the figures! BFC is in a bit of a funny position with sales in that there is under-reporting which I presume is because the number actually reached is considered unbelievable. (That's not saying I'm ITK, of course.)
We'll be quite happy with under reporting of fees coming in because that then is the amount that a selling club can in turn expect us to pay for their 'Messi'
 

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We'll be quite happy with under reporting of fees coming in because that then is the amount that a selling club can in turn expect us to pay for their 'Messi'
I'd be fairly sure that the recruitment teams at most clubs know exactly what has been paid for any player. It won't be difficult as they will know all the agents.
 

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We'll be quite happy with under reporting of fees coming in because that then is the amount that a selling club can in turn expect us to pay for their 'Messi'
I don’t think it’d make any difference to us as I can’t see BFC having any time for a negotiation on price where the selling club raised their price above what it was willing to pay just because we had just sold someone else. We’ll have a value in mind and a limit.

Looking at it another way, if our selling prices are presented as higher than reality, it makes our sell on %s look more appealing as part of the package. Getting an extra £3m from us when we sell on might be more achievable than squeezing us up from £5m to £8m up front.
 

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:confused: He wouldn’t improve the lesser teams but would improve one of the top 8?
Yeah I know bit of a strange thing to say but i was thinking £25m is still a lot for say Villa, Burnley or Leeds and any incoming at that price shouldn't be a gamble but bigger clubs might see his huge potential and the chance to play with even better players might push Ollie up even another gear.
 

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I can see Ollie staying. Said goes for 25 to 30. Ollie plays wider again with Toney in the middle
 

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I can see Ollie staying. Said goes for 25 to 30. Ollie plays wider again with Toney in the middle
I hope. Your right, but I very much doubt that,
 

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I can see Ollie staying. Said goes for 25 to 30. Ollie plays wider again with Toney in the middle
He’s just finished second top scorer in the Championship and was player of the year. Not in a millions years would he settle for being put out wide now.

Nor did Toney come here to not be the main man. Ollie is as good as gone, I’m afraid.
 

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He’s just finished second top scorer in the Championship and was player of the year. Not in a millions years would he settle for being put out wide now.

Nor did Toney come here to not be the main man. Ollie is as good as gone, I’m afraid.
I’m with you 100%, only one problem is..... what happens if no one meets the clubs valuation.
 

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A 20% profit clause like this could be £3.6m+ if he went for £20m, and there probably hasn't been a time when it's been more needed from Exeter's POV.

A shame we didn't go up and sell him in a year, as that could have been a much higher fee, but Exeter will still do well out of this. Apparently it was why they were keen for him to join us specifically in the first place.
 

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He’s just finished second top scorer in the Championship and was player of the year. Not in a millions years would he settle for being put out wide now.

Nor did Toney come here to not be the main man. Ollie is as good as gone, I’m afraid.
I agree we’re not likely to put a 25 goal centre forward out on the wing and that we’re going to want Toney playing in that position. But we’re not going to speed Ollie out the door for less than he’s worth so having the two of them compete for the spot is not out of the question at least until the next window. It would in some ways be ideal in that it would give Toney time to acclimatise with sub appearances (how demoralising for the opposition after an hour of being run ragged by Ollie would it be to see Toney warming up?) and give us another half season of Ollie.

But I’d be amazed if there weren’t sensible bids for Ollie by the end of the window.
 

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A 20% profit clause like this could be £3.6m+ if he went for £20m, and there probably hasn't been a time when it's been more needed from Exeter's POV.

A shame we didn't go up and sell him in a year, as that could have been a much higher fee, but Exeter will still do well out of this. Apparently it was why they were keen for him to join us specifically in the first place.
This is an aspect that really pleases me. A windfall of £4m or thereabouts should secure Exeter's medium term future and I can't think of a more worthy club to benefit from it. They may have had their troubles in the past but these days they appear to be well run by good people, play football the right way, have a solid core support and have developed St James Park into a ground that is just about perfect for their needs. They even play in the right colours! It's fitting that a big sell on clause will indirectly allow some serious PL money to work its way down the league to where its needed most.
 
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Update on chances of staying: 0.0001%

Shame because I reckon he'd have made a great goalkeeper.
 
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