Opening of Lionel Road compromised by Coronavirus?

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This is likely to be worth a thread on its own merits.

With the EFL now on hold until at least April 4th and likely much further beyond that, there are clear implications for the opening of LR.

Outstanding questions include:

What happens if/when the season restarts?
Will further games be played at GP?
Will we be able to hold test events for the purposes of safety certificates?
 

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Seems a bit pointless to discuss given we barely know what the situation will be in a few days let alone months..
 

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This is likely to be worth a thread on its own merits.

With the EFL now on hold until at least April 4th and likely much further beyond that, there are clear implications for the opening of LR.

Outstanding questions include:

What happens if/when the season restarts?
Will further games be played at GP?
Will we be able to hold test events for the purposes of safety certificates?
Those are the questions but at the moment they're being asked because there's not an obvious concrete answer.
My gut feeling is that we WILL play at Griffin Park one more time, whether that is behind closed doors and anytime soon is another question.
 

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Well test events would be out of the question I would have thought.
My understanding is that we would not handover GP until LR has a safety certificate.
The "corporate" matches after the season end at GP go until June 5th.

But, right now, nobody knows what the hell will happen.
 

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Surely under current guidance, test events are fine? There's nothing to suggest we couldn't have a Brentford Legends v QPR Retirees match once Lionel Road is ready, as it's not crowds per se that are the problem.
 

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Surely under current guidance, test events are fine? There's nothing to suggest we couldn't have a Brentford Legends v QPR Retirees match once Lionel Road is ready, as it's not crowds per se that are the problem.
Whooah!! Half of the ra ras first team squad might be eligible!! Actually, might not be a bad game then.
 

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Well test events would be out of the question I would have thought.
My understanding is that we would not handover GP until LR has a safety certificate.
The "corporate" matches after the season end at GP go until June 5th.

But, right now, nobody knows what the hell will happen.
I can see football resuming only at the earlier of (i) almost everyone having had the virus; and (ii) a vaccine being discovered and everyone having been immunised. On that basis GP and the new stadium might be mothballed for a long, long time, if that’s financially credible.
 

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A more immediate concern might be the impact on those who are putting the finishing touches to the build of the stadium. What if one or more test positive or self-isolate? Could impact on the schedule.
 

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A more immediate concern might be the impact on those who are putting the finishing touches to the build of the stadium. What if one or more test positive or self-isolate? Could impact on the schedule.
Yep. Who knows where this will go?
 

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Surely under current guidance, test events are fine? There's nothing to suggest we couldn't have a Brentford Legends v QPR Retirees match once Lionel Road is ready, as it's not crowds per se that are the problem.
You're wrong.
Crowds are a problem and the test events require crowds.
 

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You're wrong.
Crowds are a problem and the test events require crowds.
Not according to the announcement yesterday which explicitly excluded all types of public gathering from an immediate ban. As I understood it, many people meeting in the same place currently would be unlikely to increase the average "pass-on" rate, nor accelerate infections at the current time. It would also annoy people and make their longer term cooperation less likely. When more people have it, however, the advice will probably change.
 

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Yes, the government has not banned large gathering, but I don't think it would be wise for BFC to be scheduling then. Besides I doubt that they would get the crowds necessary to achieve the requirements for the safety certificate

An alternative might be that the council will issue a temporary safety certificate without test events but with other conditions - maybe a slightly reduced attendance with 3x the number of stewards with more training and allotted times to arrive at the stadium and a controlled departure. Extraordinary times require extraordinary measures....
 

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Not according to the announcement yesterday which explicitly excluded all types of public gathering from an immediate ban. As I understood it, many people meeting in the same place currently would be unlikely to increase the average "pass-on" rate, nor accelerate infections at the current time. It would also annoy people and make their longer term cooperation less likely. When more people have it, however, the advice will probably change.
Okay, so you need to be told do you?
If there are no regular fixtures being played,
do you really think that BFC would hold test events which require
staff and large attendances. I think not!!
 

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Wouldn’t surprise me if the season ended (whether it be void or classified as it stands) either way we will be in championship. Then, Brentford played first 5/6 games at GP before moving to Lionel Road (everyone who has had tickets for last 5 games this season automatically gets offered a ticket to first 5/6 games of next season then any new ST at LR gets credit or money back for first season or off the following year, gives incentive to keep ST if was £60/70 cheaper). Gives everyone a chance to say goodbye in their own time, will make sure LR is fully ready (they won’t want to rush into it) and gets our season off to a flyer in hopefully good weather where we can all savour a drink at the pubs in the sunshine. First initial idea was moving midway through season anyway. A lot of logistical nightmares with this idea I know, but anything that is happening will be atm. Also gives time for people to go LR and get used to it
 

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Not according to the announcement yesterday which explicitly excluded all types of public gathering from an immediate ban. As I understood it, many people meeting in the same place currently would be unlikely to increase the average "pass-on" rate, nor accelerate infections at the current time. It would also annoy people and make their longer term cooperation less likely. When more people have it, however, the advice will probably change.
And the government would like 60% of the population to get the virus to create a herd immunity.
The best way of getting that total is to encourage large gatherings it seems so that is why they have not banned it.
60% is 35 million people.
It seems pllan A has backfired already.
 

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I went to the reservation centre today and got my season ticket for next season, the gentleman there said everything was still on sedule for the keys to be handed over to Brentford mid April, over 200 electricians/decorators currently working on it to get finished on time.
 

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I went to the reservation centre today and got my season ticket for next season, the gentleman there said everything was still on sedule for the keys to be handed over to Brentford mid April, over 200 electricians/decorators currently working on it to get finished on time.
I think it was meant to be end of March, but heard from a couple of people that they are running a couple of weeks late, so mid-April makes sense....
 

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Wouldn’t surprise me if the season ended (whether it be void or classified as it stands) either way we will be in championship. Then, Brentford played first 5/6 games at GP before moving to Lionel Road (everyone who has had tickets for last 5 games this season automatically gets offered a ticket to first 5/6 games of next season then any new ST at LR gets credit or money back for first season or off the following year, gives incentive to keep ST if was £60/70 cheaper). Gives everyone a chance to say goodbye in their own time, will make sure LR is fully ready (they won’t want to rush into it) and gets our season off to a flyer in hopefully good weather where we can all savour a drink at the pubs in the sunshine. First initial idea was moving midway through season anyway. A lot of logistical nightmares with this idea I know, but anything that is happening will be atm. Also gives time for people to go LR and get used to it
Big problem with that. GP is due for demolition come the end of June.
 

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Not until after the safety certificate is granted for the new stadium.
But I would think that there must be a back stop arrangement/date? The re-development of GP will need to be programmed and resources allocated. Whilst some flex is possible, I cannot imagine that any (sensible) developer would leave it open ended as the financial consequences could be significant.

If the trigger is the Ground Safety Certificate for LR being achieved, I would also imagine that events such as the Convid-19 issues would be covered in the contractual arrangements. Unless anyone is privy to these we can only speculate. But often it is the ££ that will rule.
 

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If the season were postponed until say May could we play the tester games being league games? WBA and Wigan?
 

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Big problem with that. GP is due for demolition come the end of June.
If there is no safety certificate/public lockdown until then and the stadium is not fully finished, that won’t be happening. It’s in the contract that the keys won’t be given until the safety certificates and test events are passed
 

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They would need to be at reduced capacities so probably not practicable.
We’ve sold our home tickets already so leave them at GP capacity which would mean games played with reduced capacity
 

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lol like the 12,200 tickets we have sold reduced capacity you mean ?!
Yep instead of 17,750 or whatever LR is now. Just depends what ratio of the total capacity the tests require. I suspect it's less for the first one so probably wont work.
 

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Have the details of the test events been published, I thought I'd seen them on one of LR threads? Am I right in thinking the initial test event has a fairly small crowd requirement, as its predominantly a system test and then the 2nd and 3rd test events introduce larger crowds and are volume centric. Could the 2nd and 3rd tests not be arranged around pre-season matches, assuming football can restart by then?
 

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Yep instead of 17,750 or whatever LR is now. Just depends what ratio of the total capacity the tests require. I suspect it's less for the first one so probably wont work.
So you put a B team match on for the first test event?
 

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When I got my season ticket yesterday the gentleman who gave us the initial presentation said the plan was to beam back the Stoke game and show it on a giant screen at Lionel Road and the invite will be open to anyone who’s purchased a season ticket for the new ground, I did think this was a bit strange, 1- because I didn’t think streaming of games at 3.00pm on a Saturday was allowed and 2- a lot of season ticket holders would be in Stoke watching the game.
 

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When I got my season ticket yesterday the gentleman who gave us the initial presentation said the plan was to beam back the Stoke game and show it on a giant screen at Lionel Road and the invite will be open to anyone who’s purchased a season ticket for the new ground, I did think this was a bit strange, 1- because I didn’t think streaming of games at 3.00pm on a Saturday was allowed and 2- a lot of season ticket holders would be in Stoke watching the game.
Would be a bit weird doing that, fancy enticing your away support to not go to watch the team live. @nocoat would be at JV's door with his LOASA placards!
 

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Can't the levelling of GP be postponed too?
Let's see if the developer is in a position to carry on with their current plans, by the time it becomes relevant. Its quite possible the economy will be impacted to such an extent that they may have to delay their current plans.
 

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Can't the levelling of GP be postponed too?
My belief is that the section 106 agreement secured on Griffin Park means that it cant be demolished until the club have a new stadium to move into, and although Lionel Road exists, it does not yet have its Safety certificate, meaning that we cant move in, and therefore GP cant be demolished
 

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My belief is that the section 106 agreement secured on Griffin Park means that it cant be demolished until the club have a new stadium to move into, and although Lionel Road exists, it does not yet have its Safety certificate, meaning that we cant move in, and therefore GP cant be demolished
That is what Banana said on this thread several days ago. We don't know how this is going to roll out, so many possibilities, hardly worth thinking about at this point in time.
 

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My belief is that the section 106 agreement secured on Griffin Park means that it cant be demolished until the club have a new stadium to move into, and although Lionel Road exists, it does not yet have its Safety certificate, meaning that we cant move in, and therefore GP cant be demolished
Might not be a deal breaker, but I doubt we would have done the annual request for dispensation of being allowed to have terracing in the Championship.
 

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I think it's safe to say the idea of forming a human chain to link the two stadiums after the Burnlry game has gone for a burton.
 

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Might not be a deal breaker, but I doubt we would have done the annual request for dispensation of being allowed to have terracing in the Championship.
I think many rules will be bent / twisted / ignored in many industries for many months to come
 

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Some people still have appointments booked at the ST sales centre . Are these also going to be delayed ? Also I like many others have put down deposits with a balance completion date of 31 May will this be extended ?
 

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My belief is that the section 106 agreement secured on Griffin Park means that it cant be demolished until the club have a new stadium to move into, and although Lionel Road exists, it does not yet have its Safety certificate, meaning that we cant move in, and therefore GP cant be demolished
I am not sure that this is wholly correct? Looking at the original s.106 Agreement the wording says that the planning consent for the works at GP cannot be implemented until the new stadium achieves Practical Completion and the Safety Certificate is in place.

There are other conditions too, including a highways agreement being in place, agreements with Network Rail, Bridge Adoption certificates, etc. So a few boxes to tick in addition to the pure construction of the stadium being finished and it being ready. Hopefully all the ducks are lined up properly?
 

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Some people still have appointments booked at the ST sales centre . Are these also going to be delayed ? Also I like many others have put down deposits with a balance completion date of 31 May will this be extended ?
These appointments are being done over the phone.
 

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Some work was going on at Lionel Road earlier today. They were not security guards.
 

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Some work was going on at Lionel Road earlier today. They were not security guards.
John Varney's email yesterday confirmed that only essential, safety related work (I.e. on live electrical systems) is still happening.
All other work has ceased.
 

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Hi all

If my 6 year old, with a season ticket, decides they do not want to attend a match, will the club allow the ticket to converted to an adult ticket, allowing a friend/family member attend?
 

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Hi all

If my 6 year old, with a season ticket, decides they do not want to attend a match, will the club allow the ticket to converted to an adult ticket, allowing a friend/family member attend?
Yes.
 

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