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i've been saying for a while that we need to be more dominant in the midfield.
when we play tabb and brooker we dont have enough bite defensively and don't gain enough from them both going forward.
i struggle to remember the last time brooker got to the byline and got a good cross in.tabb has done this in patches in the home games i've seen but can be a bit incosistent.
lets play just one of them (tabb for me) and have three ball winners in the midfield.maybe if we played newman ,lewis and pratley (when fit) pratley may be able to get forward more aswell and if tabbs not performing bring brooker on to replace him.
i don't know if this is the answer but somethings not quite right.i've been to all our home games this season and i don't think we've played well for the whole game in any of them!
Any better ideas? or do people think everything should stay the same?

ps this isn't a reaction to the southend game,i've been saying we've not been playing that well all season.
 

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We have been blinding in patches, playing brilliant football particularly away from home. On the other side of the coin we also seem to have the capacity to be appalling. One of our biggest problems IMHO is that when we play Brooker (and i know i know he can put a quality ball in) he just doesnt work hard enough he gives no protecction to KOC generally leaving him with at least 2 men to mark for long periods of the game. Compare him with DJ (or even Rankin if we have to) who at least make the effort to

A) Stay wide
B) Track back

Whether they are successful or not is another matter (particualarly Rankin, personally i would stick with DJ on right and Rankin through the middle) however they do at least give the opposing wide men something to think about. Tabby in my opinion has played most of his best stuff this season from central midfield and i would be tempted to give him a run there with perhaps Pratley (when fit) or Lewis at the moment as a holding player. Gayle could come in on the left (also capable of a quality ball) or Tillen now that Frampton is available. Our midfield seems to be sadly lacking with Newman and Hutchinson and at the moment i have to say i would rather have Eddie in there. Newman has been atrocious in the last two or three games and with him and Brooker on the park particularly against big battling nippy sides we may as well play with 9 men.
 

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For me central midfield is the problem more than the wide men. As long as we've got Eddie H in there we're screwed. We need Pratley back - and either Newman or Lewis alongside him. Otherwise I can;t see us beating too many good sides.
 

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Brooker is the weak link.

His lack of work allows the opposition to dominate his wing, and drags Newman or Eddie out wide, leaving a gap in the centre of midfield.

Newman's a quality player, Eddie's good on his day, and when I last saw Lewis he played well (against Swansea?). Pratley is vital as the attacking element and sorely missed.

Brooker may put in a decent cross once in a while, but that's not enough.

MA seems to stick with him through poor performance after poor performance, and must be hoping that one of these days Brooker is going to earn his wages and prove himself as a Brentford player.

He's talented, for sure, he just has to put in the effort. Sadly he's not been in the mood as of yet.
 

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brooker is being unfairly castigated. the guy is class and tracks back and tackles back far more than he is given credit far. FFS, the guy played 30 games for Reading in tehe Championship last year!

typical brentford not appreciating quality and talent. it happens time and again.
 

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3 ball winners in midfield. Pratley, and any 2 of Newman, Hutch, Lewis, Ola with Tabb and DJ playing behind Lloyd and running into those difficult mark areas.:rolleyes:

This will work.
 

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Stuardo said:
brooker is being unfairly castigated. the guy is class and tracks back and tackles back far more than he is given credit far. FFS, the guy played 30 games for Reading in tehe Championship last year!

typical brentford not appreciating quality and talent. it happens time and again.

You've been watching a different games to me, because I cannot remember him tracking back or tackling with any conviction and just because someone played in the Championship last season, doesn't mean he was all that good. Strange how Reading released him and replaced him in the squad for Hunt. :wave:
He leaves O'Connor or Frampton (depending what wing he's supposed to be on) exposed constantly. This also leads to Newman, Hutch also having to try and cover extra ground wide of where they are supposed to be, and exposing us therefore also through the centre.
Suggest a trip to spec savers for you. :wave:
 

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Brooker is a luxury player. He has shown talent, but not recently.
He shirks tackles and drifts inward too much, leaving the side unbalanced.

I'd prefer Gayle on the wing, he has less pace, but can at least muscle his way past players.
 

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Gee Bee said:
You've been watching a different games to me, because I cannot remember him tracking back or tackling with any conviction and just because someone played in the Championship last season, doesn't mean he was all that good. Strange how Reading released him and replaced him in the squad for Hunt. :wave:
He leaves O'Connor or Frampton (depending what wing he's supposed to be on) exposed constantly. This also leads to Newman, Hutch also having to try and cover extra ground wide of where they are supposed to be, and exposing us therefore also through the centre.
Suggest a trip to spec savers for you. :wave:


you obviously weren't at the Chesterfield game when on at least one occasion Brooker was the only player in our box making a tackle and block when (Super) Kev was nowhere to be seen.

A trip to the club shop for a season ticket for you....:wave:

also, i reckon that Brooker has made more decent crosses in any one home game than Hunt did in a whole season. I think he was also ranked in the top 10 in the division in terms of assists.
 

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The midfield of Hutchinson, Brooker and Newman just doesn't cut it imho ! :no:

My views on Hutchinson are well documented on the GPG !
 

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Stuardo said:
A trip to the club shop for a season ticket for you....:wave:

I've been a season ticket holder for many years thanks. Just as one swallow doesn't make a summer, one tackle doesn't make a season worth. :rolleyes:
Never take much heed in the assists and shots on target type statistics, because I don't believe the information they get supplied is that accurate. However his assists would have seemed to have dried up for quite a few months if you do take note of them, becau they have been the same amount for quite some time.
 
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Seriously and I know my thoughts on Brooker are totally over the top but I work for a national company with places all over the UK. I spoke to a lad from reading this fine morning and he turned out to be an ST holder at Madjetski.:nono:

Told me that Sonko was class, Ivar was good, Sidwell was brilliant and that Hunt was ordinary but full of effort and pumped the team and crowd up. All pretty fair.
Didn't realise Dobson was there.:D :rolleyes:

I told him how much I love Brooker and he laughed his knackers off, he used to wind the feck out of them and no tears were shed on his leaving with him and his mates. Lazy, useless fecker were his words. Now I know others will say different things but all the other bits seem true..................

He thought that Lloyd and Newman should be good at our level as they did well in the Championship.:fishing:

Told him to buy Hutch before Woking jump in.
 

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Posted it on another thread earlier today regarding the midfield but we don't look as dangerous as we should going forward given we've scored 40+ goals this season.

Southend, Colchester and Chesterfield all broke quickly and caused us problems, the only way we can do that regularly is when Newman holds with Pratley as the runner in the formation Martin seems to favour. Seeing as Tabby gets lost at present for long periods, play him just behind the forwards, giev him the ball and let him do his best work. It's got be a better option than Hutch or even Newman and Lewis together. Too much plodding and a lack of spontaniety and flair.

Still think that Brooker capable but running out of patience as far too in and out of games unless he is genuinely injured in which case he should have op and come back when he is fit and of more benefit.
 

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My views on Hutchinson are well documented on the GPG !

:imwith:

This isn't right BeeH I'm actually agreeing with YOU!! rofl rofl
 

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they all come round in the end !!!!

IsleofWight_Bee said:
:imwith:

This isn't right BeeH I'm actually agreeing with YOU!! rofl rofl

You know it makes sense ! :kiss: lol

:wave:
 

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Bee H said:
The midfield of Hutchinson, Brooker and Newman just doesn't cut it imho ! :no:

My views on Hutchinson are well documented on the GPG !

Although Hutch gives 100% and sometimes scores goals he is in my opinion a filler at this level of football. If he has enough quality around him he won't do much wrong, however he's not the kind of midfield general to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and dictate play. This is what we lack.
 

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Pauly Paul said:
Although Hutch gives 100% and sometimes scores goals he is in my opinion a filler at this level of football. If he has enough quality around him he won't do much wrong, however he's not the kind of midfield general to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and dictate play. This is what we lack.

He's a backup at best. We signed two midfielders in the summer to play before him and when one went down with a serious injury we signed another one on loan and another on non-contract. With the money we have available we just have to hope injuries don't mean we need to use our backups like Hutch and Dobson too often.
 

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anyone who watches the goals highlights on Beesworld will see Eddie in his glory (sorry to say this and i do try and support him when he plays - but on this board we are on different territory....) - his "tracking back" for their 4th goal for someone being hailed as a "box-to-box" midfielder is non-existent. and as for his aerial ability why do we concede so many from set-pieces?
 

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a brief history of time, gpg posts and our central midfield.

------Skulasson performs well in 1.5 games..now rated as the messiah
------Lewis and Pratley arrive. Lewis slated, Pratley given time to settle and does.
-----Hutch starts to play well and scores a super header. All previous slagging off from last season is forgotten.
-----Newman returns to cheers from the Lewis haters...plays superbly in a number of games, until he is suspended for a game.
-----Newman returns, having forgotten how good he was playing. He has now turned into a worthless player overnight.
-----Lewis has a stormer against Swansea....Thank the Lord, can't think why he was ever out of the team.
-----Hutch begins a downward spiral of form, involving many headless chicken and bull in a china shop comparrisons.

Anyone else remember it this way ?

ps (I haven't included Tabb as MA clearly doesn't like him in central midfield)
 

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SmiffyBee said:
a brief history of time, gpg posts and our central midfield.

------Skulasson performs well in 1.5 games..now rated as the messiah
------Lewis and Pratley arrive. Lewis slated, Pratley given time to settle and does.
-----Hutch starts to play well and scores a super header. All previous slagging off from last season is forgotten.
-----Newman returns to cheers from the Lewis haters...plays superbly in a number of games, until he is suspended for a game.
-----Newman returns, having forgotten how good he was playing. He has now turned into a worthless player overnight.
-----Lewis has a stormer against Swansea....Thank the Lord, can't think why he was ever out of the team.
-----Hutch begins a downward spiral of form, involving many headless chicken and bull in a china shop comparrisons.


Anyone else remember it this way ?

ps (I haven't included Tabb as MA clearly doesn't like him in central midfield)

Skulasson lasted 1 game and about 20 minutes and looked out of his depth, but hopefully will improve.
Pratley we know is different class to anything else we have and probably better than anything else in our league.
Lewis arrives and wins me over with his solid performances as I thought from watching him play for others that he is a donk.
Hutch is a much better player than he was 2 years ago but my nan is better than he was 2 years ago.
Newman is solid, nothing more nothing less and when his solidness is not so solid he looks crap.

Lewis and Hutch were both superb against Swansea which was very strange after the Bournemouth debacle and Lewis was needed at Bradford, the game after Swansea, to help us hold onto our 3-1 lead.
This is my take on things.:sorted:
 

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SmiffyBee said:
a brief history of time, gpg posts and our central midfield..

Anyone else remember it this way ?

Smiffy, your only as good as your last game so they say and nowhere is that more so than on the GPG.

What's the betting there are cries of Allen out by next Monday if the next two results are poor?
 

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SmiffyBee said:
a brief history of time, gpg posts and our central midfield.

------Skulasson performs well in 1.5 games..now rated as the messiah
------Lewis and Pratley arrive. Lewis slated, Pratley given time to settle and does.
-----Hutch starts to play well and scores a super header. All previous slagging off from last season is forgotten.
-----Newman returns to cheers from the Lewis haters...plays superbly in a number of games, until he is suspended for a game.
-----Newman returns, having forgotten how good he was playing. He has now turned into a worthless player overnight.
-----Lewis has a stormer against Swansea....Thank the Lord, can't think why he was ever out of the team.
-----Hutch begins a downward spiral of form, involving many headless chicken and bull in a china shop comparrisons.

Anyone else remember it this way ?

ps (I haven't included Tabb as MA clearly doesn't like him in central midfield)

Well, for me..

Skulason - looked promising in pre-season, though passing was a little suspect, hopefully would improve with games under his belt.. didn't get a chance to unfortunately, I doubt if we'll get anything much out of him this season. One for next year i think..

Lewis - not bothered by his arrival and to be honest he hasn't been good enough, one good half against a reserve Swansea midfield isn't enough IMO. Have seen some absolutely shocking performances from him this year so am surprised at the clamour to get him back in the team, just shows how badly the current midfield pair are playing..

Pratley - was delighted when he arrived, but he was slow to get into form, Newman's return started a great run of form for him, and we've missed him since his injury

Newman - looked unfit at the start but then put in some superb performances with Pratley, has rather lost his way recently though

Hutch - once again a couple of good battling performances aren't enough, has had more than enough time and chances to prove he's worth a starting place and just hasn't done it.
 
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