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There's a bad taste in my mouth. Our stewards completely shut down protests against the Oldham owner. Why?

We have had our fill of bad owners, We protested against Webb and Noades. We protested inside Griffin Park.

Why has the club decided that it can now be Abdallah's private security force? Is it because he was a guest of Crown in the Directors' Box?

This stinks to me.
 

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There's a bad taste in my mouth. Our stewards completely shut down protests against the Oldham owner. Why?

We have had our fill of bad owners, We protested against Webb and Noades. We protested inside Griffin Park.

Why has the club decided that it can now be Abdallah's private security force? Is it because he was a guest of Crown in the Directors' Box?

This stinks to me.
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Decided to move this to a new thread.

Reports about "Abdallah Out" banners being forcibly removed and people being banned from entry with T-Shirts bearing the same slogan. Only being admitted after turning those t-shirts inside-out

What have we become?
 

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Decided to move this to a new thread.

Reports about "Abdallah Out" banners being forcibly removed and people being banned from entry with T-Shirts bearing the same slogan. Only being admitted after turning those t-shirts inside-out

What have we become?
On the pitch, the bond between players, coaching staff and fans has never been better. Off the pitch, it’s the complete opposite. Shame on whoever made the decision to stop the Oldham fans having their day. Not happy about this at all.
 

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There's a bad taste in my mouth. Our stewards completely shut down protests against the Oldham owner. Why?

We have had our fill of bad owners, We protested against Webb and Noades. We protested inside Griffin Park.

Why has the club decided that it can now be Abdallah's private security force? Is it because he was a guest of Crown in the Directors' Box?

This stinks to me.
If crown is behind this, he is a proper ****
 

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Decided to move this to a new thread.

Reports about "Abdallah Out" banners being forcibly removed and people being banned from entry with T-Shirts bearing the same slogan. Only being admitted after turning those t-shirts inside-out

What have we become?
I’d like to hear an explanation from the club. The only vaguely understandable one I can think of would be that Abdallah said he’d not put any away tickets on sale without us doing so and that if he’d done this we’d have risked serious segregation issues unless we’d restricted sales ourselves and if we’d done that there’d have been a load of Oldham fans protesting outside and only 6000 Bees in the ground.
 

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If crown is behind this, he is a proper ****
If we could make Tony Bloom sit in the away end I’d be disappointed if we were that fussed about hosting Abdallah.
 
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I’d like to hear both sides of the story before we rush to judgement.
Absolutely. But there's been a prima facia investigation, hence this thread....

And we shouldn't get confused with other events in the away end as opposed to those holding a peaceful protest against their owner

"Whatabouty" re a few drunk away fans v the wider, much more important issue...doesn't really hold water.
 

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Who the f*** do these stewards think they are? Giving people grief for merely trying to enter the dugout bar and now operating as censorship for the Oldham hierarchy. Tbf, we haven’t had an off the field fiasco this week so it was overdue
 

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Who the f*** do these stewards think they are? Giving people grief for merely trying to enter the dugout bar and now operating as censorship for the Oldham hierarchy. Tbf, we haven’t had an off the field fiasco this week so it was overdue

it won’t have been the stewards that made the decision
 

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Who the f*** do these stewards think they are? Giving people grief for merely trying to enter the dugout bar and now operating as censorship for the Oldham hierarchy. Tbf, we haven’t had an off the field fiasco this week so it was overdue
I'm guessing you have your tongue firmly in your cheek. Never can tell on here these days.
 

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Not good form from Brentford, if we're siding up to an owner that appears to be running the club into the ground. After what our clubs has experienced in the past.

I feel more of an affinity to Oldham than many of the clubs we've faced this season, who won't know the struggle & despair of having your club ripped apart.
 

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Absolutely. But there's been a prima facia investigation, hence this thread....

And we shouldn't get confused with other events in the away end as opposed to those holding a peaceful protest against their owner

"Whatabouty" re a few drunk away fans v the wider, much more important issue...doesn't really hold water.
Yeah, the argy bargy with stewards in the ground during the match sounded from the Oldham message board to be a few of their youngsters being silly and not our stewards being heavy handed.
 
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Who the f*** do these stewards think they are? Giving people grief for merely trying to enter the dugout bar and now operating as censorship for the Oldham hierarchy. Tbf, we haven’t had an off the field fiasco this week so it was overdue
Yes, absolutely correct. Who the F are we to act as heavies for the Oldham owner against fans?
 

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Absolutely. But there's been a prima facia investigation, hence this thread....

And we shouldn't get confused with other events in the away end as opposed to those holding a peaceful protest against their owner

"Whatabouty" re a few drunk away fans v the wider, much more important issue...doesn't really hold water.

Refusing "peaceful" protest doesnt sit well with me.

Especially with what we went through as a club.
 

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How much direction and guidance are the stewarding teams given on what is and isn't acceptable?

At the BHA game we had the Head Steward walking along the front of the West Stand telling and gesturing for everyone to sit down. Surely the club would have specifically told them it is a standing area?

Seems to me like there may be a disconnect between those at the club and those leading the stewards (who I assume are contracted in?)
 

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Definitely an extremely poor decision.
And after the FGR fiasco I think we can rule out stewards taking it upon themselves to enforce this.. Message definitely came from above.
 

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No. Why would we go out of our way to stop a peaceful protest against sh*t owners?
I'm sure the stewards didn't make a decision over a question of football politics. The stewards are not our club. I guess they're an easy fall guy though, aren't they? Blame our club if that's what happened.
 

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I saw all of the Oldham going into the stand being searched and no one was missed. One guy had a huge blue and purple 'Abdallah Out' banner and he had it taken away from him. Some of the women there were saying we are not here to cause any trouble and just want to display our banners. But the stewards didn't listen.

As everyone stated on here, during the game they were just brilliant and never once caused any trouble inside the stadium apart from some stupid pubescent boys from our side who are not regulars just trying to cause a disturbance in order to feel like men in front of their mates.

But I found the whole incident with the heavy mobbed stewards awful and couldn't understand why it was happening and it niggled with me all day. It now makes sense, apparently the owner was at the game and I guess the likes of Crown and co had words to ensure the Oldham lot were 'well managed' so to speak.

That well managed meant I saw a young scrawny Oldham lad taken down the top of the away end by this huge steward by the neck . And then when you get to the bottom of the upper tier of the East Stand - he threw the young lad down the stairs. That was so wrong and I felt so bad as I never seen stewards behave like that before in all my years watching the Bees.

There was this elder Oldham fan who had visual to the scene where the kid was pushed down the steps and he was visibly shaken and wanted to have a go at the steward but he held himself back.

There's a video on this report where we were in that end. You can see they are trying to tell the stewards that they just want to display their banners and want no trouble.


Brentford seemed to have complied with a rogue of an owners wishes in order to ensure he watched the game.
And in a very heavy handed approach an all.

I feel so sorry for the way the Oldham were treated. That was so wrong, That steward should not be stewarding but instead be in the MMA.
We been there in their shoes and we know how frustrating it is to get people, the media to listen when your club is going down the pan. Thought the boys in suits at Brentford would understand.
 

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Reports about "Abdallah Out" banners being forcibly removed and people being banned from entry with T-Shirts bearing the same slogan. Only being admitted after turning those t-shirts inside-out

What have we become?
Disgusting if true. Where are these reports about turning tee shirts inside out please?
 

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Is it possible a brief for stewards to “snuff out” any disruptive protests got lost in translation somewhere?

It would not be the first example of the communication channels between club and stewards failing this season.
 
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Is it possible a brief for stewards to “snuff out” any disruptive protests got lost in translation somewhere?

It would not be the first example of the communication channels between club and stewards failing this season.
If you believe that narrative....
 

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Quite poor from the club IMO. They set the tone and standards for the stewarding.
 
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True. But there does seem to be a genuine disconnect between “the club” at executive level and the ops middle management ?
Maybe people doing what they think is the best without actually asking the executive? However did they ask? or just assume Cliff, Matt and others would be embarrassed by some T-Shirt and an A4 piece of paper?
 

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Maybe people doing what they think is the best without actually asking the executive? However did they ask? or just assume Cliff, Matt and others would be embarrassed by some T-Shirt and an A4 piece of paper?
It’s a theme. Stewards not getting the message about standing in the West Stand either.

We know “the club” has a relaxed stance on standing but who is telling the stewards what to do?
 

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I can look pass mistakes with ticketing systems and teething problems. But this doesn't sit well. As others have said, we were once shaking buckets and protesting in response to poor ownership. We should be supporting other clubs. Surely BIAS and BU can for a reason behind the actions here?
 

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I am sure the club suspected that visiting Oldham fans would be mounting a protest and decided (wrongly) to come down hard on such protests by removing any banners and other protest material and by all accounts, employing heavy handed security to enforce such measures. I don’t think it is necessarily important who at the club decided to employ such tactics, but what is disconcerting is the fact that the club actually decided that such protests should be prevented at all costs.

This is not the action of a club that I know and love, and I feel ashamed that our club felt it necessarily to stifle and prevent what appears on the surface to be a protest by fans with a genuine grievance. Hopefully, we can get a response from the club offering what they perceive to be valid reasons as to why they made a decision that prevented Oldham fans from expressing their anger with the way their club is being managed.
 

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There's a bad taste in my mouth. Our stewards completely shut down protests against the Oldham owner. Why?

We have had our fill of bad owners, We protested against Webb and Noades. We protested inside Griffin Park.

Why has the club decided that it can now be Abdallah's private security force? Is it because he was a guest of Crown in the Directors' Box?

This stinks to me.

I was in the East Stand for this game (not South or West Stand).

When the 6th goal went in, I admit I was embarrassed by their players performance, but more so our stewards (and police) who lined up against then and then was goaded by some of our adult fans in the East Stand which was really embarrassing. As they knew the Police line, stewards and netting in the lower tier meant unless they were "boogie and doyle" could not get to us.

Really pathetic all round. I'm afraid.
 

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The only thing I can think of which might have slightly mitigated/excused the club's behaviour toward the OAFC fans was a fear that some of them might have tried a pitch invasion, as I believe has been attempted by some fans recently.

BUT.

Making sure no-one gets on the pitch is one thing, all the other stuff is quite something else, and reflects terribly on our club.

Meanwhile, I took a look at an Oldham fans forum just now, and a visiting Blackpool fan posted this on the Match thread:

"Anyway, I came on to comment about the stewards. Last time we were at Griffin Park was also for a night match when we were on a precipitous slide and they had forty attempts at goal and we lost 4-0. Like you we were angry, boisterous and showing gallows humour and we got the same sort of heavy-handed treatment from their stewards as some of your fans are saying they did. They were aggressive, humourless and completely inappropriate. And this is probably five years ago.
I don' t know why that is. GP was always one of my favourite away grounds, not least because you had a choice of four pubs where you could have a pint and a friendly natter with the locals. Inside the ground in later years, not nearly as good."
 

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The only thing I can think of which might have slightly mitigated/excused the club's behaviour toward the OAFC fans was a fear that some of them might have tried a pitch invasion, as I believe has been attempted by some fans recently.

BUT.

Making sure no-one gets on the pitch is one thing, all the other stuff is quite something else, and reflects terribly on our club.

Meanwhile, I took a look at an Oldham fans forum just now, and a visiting Blackpool fan posted this on the Match thread:

"Anyway, I came on to comment about the stewards. Last time we were at Griffin Park was also for a night match when we were on a precipitous slide and they had forty attempts at goal and we lost 4-0. Like you we were angry, boisterous and showing gallows humour and we got the same sort of heavy-handed treatment from their stewards as some of your fans are saying they did. They were aggressive, humourless and completely inappropriate. And this is probably five years ago.
I don' t know why that is. GP was always one of my favourite away grounds, not least because you had a choice of four pubs where you could have a pint and a friendly natter with the locals. Inside the ground in later years, not nearly as good."

The Oldham fans were long distance from the pitch. They in the upper tier of the East Stand in the Corner, they was rows of Police and Stewards in front of them in the second half. This was a deliberately tactic, despite netting and segregation preventing them from getting into the field of play.

Only one, club in England (and South London) have proven to get beyond that line of defence. And do do that, you need to probably military or Police trained.
 

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I was in the East Stand for this game (not South or West Stand).

When the 6th goal went in, I admit I was embarrassed by their players performance, but more so our stewards (and police) who lined up against then and then was goaded by some of our adult fans in the East Stand which was really embarrassing. As they knew the Police line, stewards and netting in the lower tier meant unless they were "boogie and doyle" could not get to us.

Really pathetic all round. I'm afraid.

Yeah, so you were there too in the East Stand.

There were a lot of youth around us at the upper level and yeah you get the odd adult putting up six fingers to declare the score (ur gonna get that at every game when you're winning) but did you see that gang of kids that were goading them from our side whilst the Oldham lot were talking to the stewards about wanting to display their banners.

Those sods even moved closer to the stewards line and upped the taunting as they were videoing it on their mobiles. I felt like going over and belting them one.

Somehow and I don't know how, but the club need to revisit the approach to selling tickets for Cup games likes these where many season ticket holders may not come to the game or like us decide to visit another part of the stadium - that we don't sell tickets to gangs of kids as a block booking near to the away end as kids like last night were as you rightly said protected by the police and stewards line.
 

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Tbf, we haven’t had an off the field fiasco this week so it was overdue

I think this nails it.

Based on the long list of fiascos seen so far this season, the club appears to be very happy indeed for its off-field activities to be woefully mishandled and mismanaged on just about every aspect of its operations - in this case, the stewarding. Given the apparent acceptance to put fans interests at the very bottom of the pile when it comes to decision making, I‘m not confident we‘ll see any self-reflection or contrition over this issue.
 
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