Our Stewards Shut Down All Protest by Oldham Fans

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Cliff Crown is Jewish, I believe. IMHO it’s a very good and positive thing that the club has been used to mark the occasion. My work had a sukkah the other year, and I enjoyed learning all about it and the festival of Sukkot. No need for anybody to get wound up about this, I think.

Personally, I’m not miffed that I wasn’t invited either, if that helps :)
 
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In fairness if I was Chairman I’d also make use of the facilities for hosting Chertsey Old Salesians Executive lunches to impress people 😀😀😆
Yep. And I think that is a point well made.....
 
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Cliff Crown is Jewish, I believe. IMHO it’s a very good and positive thing that the club has been used to mark the occasion. My work had a sukkah the other year, and I enjoyed learning all about it and the festival of Sukkot. No need for anybody to get wound up about this, I think.

Personally, I’m not miffed that I wasn’t invited either, if that helps :)
Absolutely. But I can't find any reference to it on the club's media outlets. Is this a private event?

Wouldn't it be more inclusive if we asked for "random" members of our Jewish community to apply to attend and then do a tombola? This seems to be the Chairman and selected mates.
 

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Absolutely. But I can't find any reference to it on the club's media outlets. Is this a private event?
Given Mr Crown is wearing a Brentford name badge I think it’s definitely an official event. I wouldn’t be too bothered about the media team being well behind the curve with it - they couldn’t even deliver on a reliable stream for a Premier League B team fixture with our nearest rivals the other week…..!
 
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Given Mr Crown is wearing a Brentford name badge I think it’s definitely an official event.
He wears that everywhere. Name badges in the boardroom at GP were his initiative. But only one person wore them. Someone that wanted others to know who they are...
 

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No the title is misleading as its missed the incident.

@marvelous007 wasn't that the Oldham fan in the black t-shirt who was taken down by another big steward (think the steward was a hefty large Indian bloke) who came up the stairs in an angry mood in what seems was just after that video ended in order to take him down and took him to the bottom of the top tier by grabbing his neck - and then threw him down the stair well.

I am pretty sure that was the guy but unfortunately the video cuts off before the hefty steward arrived and the brutal stuff happened to the Oldham fan.

Hi PC.

I suspect the club (or Met Police) do need to take CCTV cameras to establish what actually happened on that stairwell or steps with that supporter.

As this matter, appears to be under investigation (see bannana post). Let's leave it their (for now) please?
 

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The guy in the black t-shirt retreats into the seats before the end of the video. And who is the "hefty large Indian bloke"? Left or right or someone else off camera?

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No at this point because these stewards seemed unable to get the situation calmed. I remember seeing two stewards arrive in the East Stand by running up the bottom stairwell from the lower floor- they were big lumps and they took a breather from near the stairwell and from their position they quickly gauged what was happening at the back of the stand.

Confident that the stewards you see in this video were incapable of handling the matter. Those two stewards then just sprinted up to the back rows of the stand to where this was happening in lightning speed- when they arrived - these stewards parted out of the way and those two stewards just waded in and somehow a second later one of those 2 stewards had his arm or hand wrapped around the guys neck. I think it was this guy they got (the one in the video that is resisting) but i can't be sure - but there was also two other youths taken down separately one after the other but only one of them got the mafia treatment.

He took him down the length of the upper rows to the bottom in triple-double speed and then once they arrived at the first row where the stairwell is located - without any warning he then threw him down the stairwell.

Everyone around that stairwell could see that was wrong - a few Oldham fans were upset, angry. There was one Oldham fan (pensionable age) who seemed to go in a fit/rage at what he witnessed and was helpless as knew he couldn't do anything.

A senior female steward ran down that stairwell with a policeman straight after. That's what I saw.

This video stops at the point just before the above all happened. Maybe there's another part to this video or not.
 
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No at this point because these stewards seemed unable to get the situation calmed. I remember seeing two stewards arrive in the East Stand by running up the bottom stairwell from the lower floor- they were big lumps and they took a breather from near the stairwell and from their position they quickly gauged what was happening at the back of the stand.

Confident that the stewards you see in this video were incapable of handling the matter. Those two stewards then just sprinted up to the back rows of the stand to where this was happening in lightning speed- when they arrived - these stewards parted out of the way and those two stewards just waded in and somehow a second later one of those 2 stewards had his arm or hand wrapped around the guys neck. I think it was this guy they got (the one in the video that is resisting) but i can't be sure - but there was also two other youths taken down separately one after the other but only one of them got the mafia treatment.

He took him down the length of the upper rows to the bottom in triple-double speed and then once they arrived at the first row where the stairwell is located - without any warning he then threw him down the stairwell.

Everyone around that stairwell could see that was wrong - a few Oldham fans were upset, angry. There was one Oldham fan (pensionable age) who seemed to go in a fit/rage at what he witnessed and was helpless as knew he couldn't do anything.

A senior female steward ran down that stairwell with a policeman straight after. That's what I saw.

This video stops at the point just before the above all happened. Maybe there's another part to this video or not.
Thanks. I hear that there's a serious review going on at the club with CCTV being made available tomorrow for viewing by senior management.
 

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Not happy about banners or t-shirts being removed in the away end, can't fathom how that is appropriate in any way. The stewards are clearly not getting the message from the club execs on how to manage the crowd at BCS and that is the responsibilty of both those execs and the middle management in the Ops team. Must do better.

Not going to lie though, I can't see much wrong with what happened in the directors area. Their ownership appears not to be sharpest mind in the football business but that's totally irrelevant IMO - no one should be harassed or have their safety risked once in the stadium. As far as I'm aware no one's behaviour in the directors area was provocative. Some of the personal digs at Cliff Crown feel OTT.
*They are OTT.
 

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Hi PC.

I suspect the club (or Met Police) do need to take CCTV cameras to establish what actually happened on that stairwell or steps with that supporter.

As this matter, appears to be under investigation (see bannana post). Let's leave it their (for now) please?

Yeah I know- as Banana said there's a full investigation and we will see what happens, I will write to the club to give my overview of what I witnessed and ask that I am called in and my comments recorded so its all fair and square.
Its impossible to do a full trial court here and go through the incident piece by piece on a forum but that video def. stops before the serious incident occurs, that I know.
 
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Yeah I know- as Banana said there's a full investigation and we will see what happens, I will write to the club to give my overview of what I witnessed and ask that I am called in and my comments recorded so its all fair and square.
Its impossible to do a full trial court here and go through the incident piece by piece on a forum but that video def. stops before the serious incident occurs, that I know.
Send direct to Jon Varney please. jvarney@brentfordfc.com
 

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Yeah I know- as Banana said there's a full investigation and we will see what happens, I will write to the club to give my overview of what I witnessed and ask that I am called in and my comments recorded so its all fair and square.
Its impossible to do a full trial court here and go through the incident piece by piece on a forum but that video def. stops before the serious incident occurs, that I know.
Well done for getting involved
 

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No at this point because these stewards seemed unable to get the situation calmed. I remember seeing two stewards arrive in the East Stand by running up the bottom stairwell from the lower floor- they were big lumps and they took a breather from near the stairwell and from their position they quickly gauged what was happening at the back of the stand.

Confident that the stewards you see in this video were incapable of handling the matter. Those two stewards then just sprinted up to the back rows of the stand to where this was happening in lightning speed- when they arrived - these stewards parted out of the way and those two stewards just waded in and somehow a second later one of those 2 stewards had his arm or hand wrapped around the guys neck. I think it was this guy they got (the one in the video that is resisting) but i can't be sure - but there was also two other youths taken down separately one after the other but only one of them got the mafia treatment.

He took him down the length of the upper rows to the bottom in triple-double speed and then once they arrived at the first row where the stairwell is located - without any warning he then threw him down the stairwell.

Everyone around that stairwell could see that was wrong - a few Oldham fans were upset, angry. There was one Oldham fan (pensionable age) who seemed to go in a fit/rage at what he witnessed and was helpless as knew he couldn't do anything.

A senior female steward ran down that stairwell with a policeman straight after. That's what I saw.

This video stops at the point just before the above all happened. Maybe there's another part to this video or not.


Well done for getting involved but I would politely ask that you refrain from posting in an open forum about what you saw.

There are a number of cases (some well known), down the years involving football supporters being taken out and mishandled and even physically assaulted/beaten by stewards, when they think they out of sight.
 

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Well done for getting involved but I would ask that you refrain from posting in an open forum about what you saw.

There are a number of cases (some well known), down the years involving football supporters being taken out and mishandled and even physically assaulted by stewards, when they think they out of sight.
Come and sit in the Dug Out, no stewards will be mishandling the DOG squad (Dug Out Geezers) unless they’re told to.
 

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Well done for getting involved but I would politely ask that you refrain from posting in an open forum about what you saw.

There are a number of cases (some well known), down the years involving football supporters being taken out and mishandled and even physically assaulted/beaten by stewards, when they think they out of sight.
I would find it highly unlikely that our stadium has anywhere in the concourses which is not covered by CCTV.

I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye so will reserve judgement. I can imagine there were a number of highly charged Oldham fans on Tuesday so let’s wait and see.
 

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Well done for getting involved but I would politely ask that you refrain from posting in an open forum about what you saw.

There are a number of cases (some well known), down the years involving football supporters being taken out and mishandled and even physically assaulted/beaten by stewards, when they think they out of sight.

No, you're absolutely right. I can't believe we have Liverpool in a couple of days but I am too preoccupied in trying to get that image of that guy thrown down the stairs out of my head. One second he was there and then the next gone.

As Banana stated, I will send an email to John V outlining what I saw before, during and after the game and hopefully he will invite me down so my thoughts are recorded officially and thus I can be confident that nothing is being brushed or swept under the carpet.

Until then I won't log onto GPG as enough has been said and whilst most of the people here I know care that this is dealt with properly and seriously, we do have a small minority of really strange characters on this forum and I rather not be around discussing such a serious matter.
 

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No, you're absolutely right. I can't believe we have Liverpool in a couple of days but I am too preoccupied in trying to get that image of that guy thrown down the stairs out of my head. One second he was there and then the next gone.

As Banana stated, I will send an email to John V outlining what I saw before, during and after the game and hopefully he will invite me down so my thoughts are recorded officially and thus I can be confident that nothing is being brushed or swept under the carpet.

Until then I won't log onto GPG as enough has been said and whilst most of the people here I know care that this is dealt with properly and seriously, we do have a small minority of really strange characters on this forum and I rather not be around discussing such a serious matter.
This is not Rumpole of the Bailey, mate. What is all the “I won’t log on to the GPG”?!!
 
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Until then I won't log onto GPG as enough has been said and whilst most of the people here I know care that this is dealt with properly and seriously, we do have a small minority of really strange characters on this forum and I rather not be around discussing such a serious matter.
Yes, those small minority must really dictate how the large majority assimilate and process info from eye-witnesses.
 
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He looks the same whenever I see him.
Same suit.
Same shirt.
Same tie.
Same shoes.
Haircut same.
Bald patch stays same size.
The moustache.
Like a cartoon character.
Always looks the same as 5 or 6 years ago.
And the boring monotonous accent.
Where is it from?
It is why I always describe him as a man who needs a make up artist for the radio.
I liked Greg Dyke.
You could stop and talk to him and hold a conversation, but Cliff !!!.
I end up crossing the road.
But, rather than crossing the road, have you actually tried to have a conversation with him? By chance, I ended up having a brief chat with him at end of Brighton match, and he made some very pertinent comments about the Smartodds view of whether Brentford were predicting to get anything from the Brighton game. (Their view apparently being that Brighton are about a topten side so there was no assumption of gaining points.) Am not suggesting this was as riveting as a conversation with Greg Dyke would have been, but he was very engaging and good to talk to. Why do we need our Chairman to be full of charisma? Surely we have that in buckets with Thomas, Phil and Rasmus.
 

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But, rather than crossing the road, have you actually tried to have a conversation with him? By chance, I ended up having a brief chat with him at end of Brighton match, and he made some very pertinent comments about the Smartodds view of whether Brentford were predicting to get anything from the Brighton game. (Their view apparently being that Brighton are about a topten side so there was no assumption of gaining points.) Am not suggesting this was as riveting as a conversation with Greg Dyke would have been, but he was very engaging and good to talk to. Why do we need our Chairman to be full of charisma? Surely we have that in buckets with Thomas, Phil and Rasmus.
It would be the icing on the cake to have a chairman who was reflective of a forward thinking, exciting, engaging, highly entertaining and inclusive club. He’s not, however if Matthew is happy with him he must have attributes he hides.
 

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BFC are renowned for doing things differently. How about we become the first club to operate without a chairman? I have nothing personally against Cliff, but fail to see what he adds to the club.
 

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BFC are renowned for doing things differently. How about we become the first club to operate without a chairman? I have nothing personally against Cliff, but fail to see what he adds to the club.
A board of directors requires a chairman (or Chair, as it is now known).
 
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It would be the icing on the cake to have a chairman who was reflective of a forward thinking, exciting, engaging, highly entertaining and inclusive club. He’s not, however if Matthew is happy with him he must have attributes he hides.
I may be wrong, but I’d hazard that 2 of those attributes are:
1. That, as Smartodds Finance Director, he is very good at stewarding Smartodds finances (including MB’s investment in Brentford).
2. That he is happy to be MB’s public-facing representative, a role MB may prefer not to have to fulfill himself.
 
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BFC are renowned for doing things differently. How about we become the first club to operate without a chairman? I have nothing personally against Cliff, but fail to see what he adds to the club.
(Tongue in cheek, Mrs Merton style…), I have nothing personally against you @Hippobee, but fail to see why you think so much of our Owner, yet seem to think so little on our Owners choice as Chairman of his £100million pound investment (an investment that he has recently leveraged to the tune of 2 years of PL income)…
 

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Makes you wonder why Benham puts up with this imbecile of a chairman? He brings nothing to the party and is just an embarrassment to the club.
If it were my £100m as a long term fan I’d twll you to eff off with that opinion about someone I trusted and respected. Fortunately for you it isn’t and MB is much quieter, though not so distant as to forget the people who make him feel unwelcome or unappreciated.
 

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But, rather than crossing the road, have you actually tried to have a conversation with him? By chance, I ended up having a brief chat with him at end of Brighton match, and he made some very pertinent comments about the Smartodds view of whether Brentford were predicting to get anything from the Brighton game. (Their view apparently being that Brighton are about a topten side so there was no assumption of gaining points.) Am not suggesting this was as riveting as a conversation with Greg Dyke would have been, but he was very engaging and good to talk to. Why do we need our Chairman to be full of charisma? Surely we have that in buckets with Thomas, Phil and Rasmus.
I will never forget the "football is a village" statement prior to Watford at home in 2015.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing that day and found that particular episode embarrassing.
I have listened to some of what he has said since and tbh I switch off.
Look he might be a fantastic bloke and I am missing something, but conversations about Smart odds and percentages of winning losing are maybe the reason why I have steered clear and if that is his conversation then I am so sorry if it isn't mine.
So easy to talk about a predicted outcome after the event.
I have spoken to Thomas Frank.
Top bloke.i would cross the road to speak to him.
Rasmus Ankersen I have had a brief chat too once at GP.
Once again a nice bloke.
I have never spoken to Phil Giles, but I understand that he is quite a good bloke too.
Why do we need our chairman to be full of charisma?
We probably don't, but why is our chairman trying to be so charismatic?
Yet Thomas, Rasmus and Phil seem to be naturally charismatic.

Anyway back to Topic🔙👍
 

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If it were my £100m as a long term fan I’d twll you to eff off with that opinion about someone I trusted and respected. Fortunately for you it isn’t and MB is much quieter, though not so distant as to forget the people who make him feel unwelcome or unappreciated.
When have you ever seen MB out to dinner with Cliff Crown or hugging him after a game, never and that’s because it’s official he hates him but CC has some dodgy photos apparently. Oh and I’d love to see you tell Sheerwater to eff off, let me give you his seat number 😀😀😀😀
 

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It’s right we look into this and investigate thoroughly, and right that we all stand with clubs under threat from bad owners, but it is weird and anomalous how little video there is of the various things claimed to have happened. The “attacked” video above is a case in point - it does not show an attack.

Every Oldham fan there will have had a smartphone, and if banners were confiscated and people ordered to undress and turn their shirts inside out - an extraordinary intrusion on the person anyone would have argued about - it would without doubt be filmed.

Where is it?
 

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If it were my £100m as a long term fan I’d twll you to eff off with that opinion about someone I trusted and respected. Fortunately for you it isn’t and MB is much quieter, though not so distant as to forget the people who make him feel unwelcome or unappreciated.
Fortunately for me!!! I'm quaking in my boots.

Where did I say Benham was unwelcomed or unappreciated? No one is perfect and whether you agree or not, Cliff Crown is an embarrassment to the club. He might be good with a financial spreadsheet, but as the somewhat public face of the club, he's a joke. And doesn't he like the limelight...
 

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The question of why the club prevented protest is a very different topic to the unpleasant and personal insults directed at CC that this thread has degenerated into. It needs moderating or shutting. It's a bit of an embarrassment tbh.
It may not even be him that “made the order”. Whoever did though has no clue of what we are and where we’ve come from. I’ve got no doubts that we will ever learn the outcome of the internal inquiry and whoever is responsible for this outrage will get away with it. At least we have the recruitment, ownership, coaching and playing product to be extremely proud of.
 

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I will never forget the "football is a village" statement prior to Watford at home in 2015.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing that day and found that particular episode embarrassing.
I have listened to some of what he has said since and tbh I switch off.
Look he might be a fantastic bloke and I am missing something, but conversations about Smart odds and percentages of winning losing are maybe the reason why I have steered clear and if that is his conversation then I am so sorry if it isn't mine.
So easy to talk about a predicted outcome after the event.
I have spoken to Thomas Frank.
Top bloke.i would cross the road to speak to him.
Rasmus Ankersen I have had a brief chat too once at GP.
Once again a nice bloke.
I have never spoken to Phil Giles, but I understand that he is quite a good bloke too.
Why do we need our chairman to be full of charisma?
We probably don't, but why is our chairman trying to be so charismatic?
Yet Thomas, Rasmus and Phil seem to be naturally charismatic.

Anyway back to Topic🔙👍
Football is a Village statement came from Nity Raj not Cliff Crown.
 

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I hate stewards but this is pathetic if they think this is Brentford stewards being heavy handed.........

They should know that Brentford stewards only seek to batter and get their own fans criminal records absolute scum
 

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The question of why the club prevented protest is a very different topic to the unpleasant and personal insults directed at CC that this thread has degenerated into. It needs moderating or shutting. It's a bit of an embarrassment tbh.
Once again it is about context.
Questions answered, opinions sought.
Reasons given.
Did you prefer people kept quiet?
 

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Probably the wrong place to post this, and I realise this is not a scientifically researched post, but I've been disappointed with the stewarding at Brentford so far this season. Normally in the family section but on Tuesday in the East stand, for the most part they've been unfriendly, verging on aggressive/rude (particularly Tuesday), and often disinterested (against Forest Green Rovers the young steward made no attempt to even speak to the half dozen people sitting in the stairwell). This compared to the stewarding at Villa where they couldn't have been more helpful - the head steward even went off the check for us when the bar would be opening before half time as my son needed some water in the heat. Probably the difference between having experienced people in place, and low cost, inexperienced, would-rather-be-somewhere-else youngsters.
 

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Football is a Village statement came from Nity Raj not Cliff Crown.
Are you sure??.......my memory must be playing tricks because I thought that it was Phil Whall.

However rebus is correct and whoever dreamed it up ultimately the board 'owned it'........I think that's the current and fashionable woke expression but I tend to lose track these days with what's in and what's not.
 

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Probably the wrong place to post this, and I realise this is not a scientifically researched post, but I've been disappointed with the stewarding at Brentford so far this season. Normally in the family section but on Tuesday in the East stand, for the most part they've been unfriendly, verging on aggressive/rude (particularly Tuesday), and often disinterested (against Forest Green Rovers the young steward made no attempt to even speak to the half dozen people sitting in the stairwell). This compared to the stewarding at Villa where they couldn't have been more helpful - the head steward even went off the check for us when the bar would be opening before half time as my son needed some water in the heat. Probably the difference between having experienced people in place, and low cost, inexperienced, would-rather-be-somewhere-else youngsters.

When have our stewards been even remotely close to average in terms of crowd management and calming a situation down
 
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Probably the wrong place to post this, and I realise this is not a scientifically researched post, but I've been disappointed with the stewarding at Brentford so far this season. Normally in the family section but on Tuesday in the East stand, for the most part they've been unfriendly, verging on aggressive/rude (particularly Tuesday), and often disinterested (against Forest Green Rovers the young steward made no attempt to even speak to the half dozen people sitting in the stairwell). This compared to the stewarding at Villa where they couldn't have been more helpful - the head steward even went off the check for us when the bar would be opening before half time as my son needed some water in the heat. Probably the difference between having experienced people in place, and low cost, inexperienced, would-rather-be-somewhere-else youngsters.
Finding stewards has been a problem this season, let alone decent ones.
 

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Finding stewards has been a problem this season, let alone decent ones.

At clubs outside of London you have career stewards topping up a weekly wage who have been doing it for years for the younger ones to learn off.
 

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Probably the wrong place to post this, and I realise this is not a scientifically researched post, but I've been disappointed with the stewarding at Brentford so far this season. Normally in the family section but on Tuesday in the East stand, for the most part they've been unfriendly, verging on aggressive/rude (particularly Tuesday), and often disinterested (against Forest Green Rovers the young steward made no attempt to even speak to the half dozen people sitting in the stairwell). This compared to the stewarding at Villa where they couldn't have been more helpful - the head steward even went off the check for us when the bar would be opening before half time as my son needed some water in the heat. Probably the difference between having experienced people in place, and low cost, inexperienced, would-rather-be-somewhere-else youngsters.
I wonder if the type of steward that you describe at Villa etc have been doing that job for years - possibly as bit of extra money to supplement their regular income. That type of arrangement I suspect has taken a long time to establish itself although we do have some stewards that are recognisable from being with Brentford some years now.

It reminds me of working construction in a way. You can spend months, years, meticulously planning a project in a corporate environment but when it comes down to it, it's often the men/woman actually doing the work on site that have the interface with the customer. And sometimes (often), those people have literally been recruited overnight on a day-rate, with no wider context of what they're working upon. And probably (mostly) aren't afforded the time or pay to make it their business to find out.
 
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