Our Stewards Shut Down All Protest by Oldham Fans

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The huge bald black steward who did the Braemar for years was as good as gold and treated people with respect.
Yeah, seen a few of the boys patrolling the West Stand. It's the newbies trying to get people to sit though.
 

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An unpopular opinion ... but..

I don't want to see other teams fans protests against their owners at my club. They can sing their songs and chants regarding the owners or managers or even their team. That's fine but banners etc, no thanks. What becomes legitimate protest vs offensive etc? Enlisting the support of fans forums to raise awareness is also fine.

They can protest and use banners and such much more effectively on their own patch. If as visiting supporters, they want us to show support, then fine. Obviously assuming they have just cause.
Don't agree with this ...not sure what's so offensive about protesting about wanting their owner out.the more fans know about dodgy blokes like him the better
 

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Whatever happened to the ginger lady steward we had at GP?
 
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When have our stewards been even remotely close to average in terms of crowd management and calming a situation down
Auntie Pauline kept the paddock under control :judge:

Stewards I encountered at Palace and Wolves were friendly and helpful
 
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Whatever happened to the ginger lady steward we had at GP?
I believe that formal qualifications were determined to be required and she decided to call it a day as a result.
 

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I believe that formal qualifications were determined to be required and she decided to call it a day as a result.

Yet they employed a know hooligan to do the tours of Lionel Road :)
 
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As was said before, the stewards at Villa are some of the best I have come across. Shame that there are some like those at Charlton, when we played them in the cup, who were just aggressive scumbags looking to provoke people. Not an easy task to steward a big crowd and it's a learning process for us. Shame that this has disintegrated into a slagging-off of CC. We are better than that.
 

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I wonder if the type of steward that you describe at Villa etc have been doing that job for years - possibly as bit of extra money to supplement their regular income. That type of arrangement I suspect has taken a long time to establish itself although we do have some stewards that are recognisable from being with Brentford some years now.

It reminds me of working construction in a way. You can spend months, years, meticulously planning a project in a corporate environment but when it comes down to it, it's often the men/woman actually doing the work on site that have the interface with the customer. And sometimes (often), those people have literally been recruited overnight on a day-rate, with no wider context of what they're working upon. And probably (mostly) aren't afforded the time or pay to make it their business to find out.
Yes, this was definitely the case at Villa in terms of the stewards I spoke with. One of them came over during the second half just to say that the Bees' fans reception for Ollie was only the second time he had ever seen that kind of thing happen in all his years at Villa Park (Richard Dunne being the other). And I should mention that there;s a youngish chap in the family section at BCS who is also good. But many of the stewards seem to almost have that old school condescending attitude towards football fans. As you say, I'm guessing most are new and just need some decent training.
 

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As was said before, the stewards at Villa are some of the best I have come across. Shame that there are some like those at Charlton, when we played them in the cup, who were just aggressive scumbags looking to provoke people. Not an easy task to steward a big crowd and it's a learning process for us. Shame that this has disintegrated into a slagging-off of CC. We are better than that.
I think it must be a combination of Villa fans being decent and stewards who encourage that. The atmosphere there has always been friendly and I’ve felt no nervousness walking to and from the ground in a Bees shirt. Wolves was similar- really friendly fans, approaching from the city centre I was right in the middle of the way to the home entrances and a guy volunteered the best route to get round the queueing Wolves fans to get to the away entrance. Similar a WBA a couple of seasons back. Maybe a West Midlands thing with Birmingham City being the exception.
 

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Auntie Pauline kept the paddock under control :judge:

Stewards I encountered at Palace and Wolves were friendly and helpful
I was especially impressed with the stewards at Wolves. All very friendly and helpful. One even came over to our row to an ultra senior who was having problems standing and offered him a seat in a better area.
 

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I think it must be a combination of Villa fans being decent and stewards who encourage that. The atmosphere there has always been friendly and I’ve felt no nervousness walking to and from the ground in a Bees shirt. Wolves was similar- really friendly fans, approaching from the city centre I was right in the middle of the way to the home entrances and a guy volunteered the best route to get round the queueing Wolves fans to get to the away entrance. Similar a WBA a couple of seasons back. Maybe a West Midlands thing with Birmingham City being the exception.
Agree with Villa and WBA although I've always had half an eye looking over my shoulder around the ground at Wolves.
 

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Stewards going to have a tough old time when Newcastle visit if they keep the same policy
 

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Let’s see how the c c crew handle the scousers saturdays I do detect a anti Cliff crown vendetta growing orchestrated by the hierarchy??
 

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Let’s see how the c c crew handle the scousers saturdays I do detect a anti Cliff crown vendetta growing orchestrated by the hierarchy??
So the club hierarchy orchestrated the stewards to bash the Oldham fans knowing this would lead to a protest on the GPG that would morph into an anti-Cliff Crown ragga tip? I’m convinced, for sure.

I also understand that it is Cliff Crown who is the only person standing in the way of Brentford bringing back the Castle Badge (Benham’s 100% all for it, apparently) so anything that gets rid of Crown gets my vote because of this 🤓
 

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So the club hierarchy orchestrated the stewards to bash the Oldham fans knowing this would lead to a protest on the GPG that would morph into an anti-Cliff Crown ragga tip? I’m convinced, for sure.

I also understand that it is Cliff Crown who is the only person standing in the way of Brentford bringing back the Castle Badge (Benham’s 100% all for it, apparently) so anything that gets rid of Crown gets my vote because of this 🤓
I think Cliff Crown holds and consistently uses his VETO, to block the annual Brentford FC Dog Agility event and this may be the reason for the recent Anti-Crown feeling.

I wonder if Netflix are thinking of the behind the scenes documentary into Cliff's role - not sure what they would call it ?
 

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I reckon people should stop knocking Cliff. He phoned me on my 65th and wished me a happy birthday! He might appear a bit old school and Henley and not in touch with the yoof but MB obviously trusts him to represent him at the club and to carry out executive roles at his company.
 

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I think Cliff Crown holds and consistently uses his VETO, to block the annual Brentford FC Dog Agility event and this may be the reason for the recent Anti-Crown feeling.

I wonder if Netflix are thinking of the behind the scenes documentary into Cliff's role - not sure what they would call it ?
I’d heard rumours about this fiasco, but it’s the first time I’ve seen it confirmed about his veto :(

Is he the bastard who blocked the planned cattery in the East Stand because “Tiddles can go do one”? (His exact words apparently) 😡
 

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I love everything about my club but my only niggling problem is the fact that Cliff Crown is associated to our club too.

Only met him (perma-tan) once, I somehow found myself sharing my table with him and the other board members on a train to Wolves away about 5 years ago when both teams were in the Championship. Well actually, they came and sat on my table without an invite. To be honest, apart from MB, I had never paid attention to who the other board members were. So, I had no clue who these men in suits and cheap cologne were when they first sat down beside me.

One of the board members is an Indian who seems to speak with a squeal. I caught him looking at me and my Brentford scarf that I was wearing around my neck. I am Indian too and after a while he decides to start a conversation with me. He asked me on my whereabouts and how I came about supporting Brentford. It felt to me as if he was taken aback that I supported Brentford and travelled away. Glad to say Brentford's diversity team is a bit more mature and professional today than this ****. I still didn't know that I was sitting with members of the club.

It only registered with me who they were, when they started putting their club ties on as we approached Birmingham New Street and Perma-tan told a story about D Weir who was assistant to Mark Warburton who was at Rangers at the time.

Perma-tan in his animated way was telling the other board members about some trouble that Joey Barton was having at Rangers that he read in the papers. So he decides to ring up D Weir and asked what was going on and if everything was alright. He said Weir was a bit curt with his words and said to Cliff - 'What the f**k it's got to do with you, your just a small club" And then said something like, obviously we didn't part in as good terms as we thought we had with those two.

For some reason MB didn't travel all the way from London and at that moment he got on at Birmingham New Street and sat in the seat behind our table but in direct line of my eyesight. He was quiet as a mouse reading his paper whilst Perma-tan Crown was giving it the large with another one of his stories.

It was weird for me seeing the way the board members behaved. Cliff seemed to act like the owner and MB was quiet as if he was an employee on an apprenticeship programme.

There was this one moment when Cliff was telling another story as we approached Wolves (by now I had given up eve’s dropping on his dross) and as Cliff finished his story and let out a stupid laugh over his own punchline. I caught MB looking at me from the corner of his paper and he just nodded his head upwards as to say – "you bored of listening to his sh*t too ?"

Never liked Cliff Crown since.


So they only put their club ties on because they knew MB was getting on?

:rolleyes:
 

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Once again it is about context.
Questions answered, opinions sought.
Reasons given.
Did you prefer people kept quiet?
Nope. I'd rather they asked questions, described what they had seen and refrained from personal insults and unrelated digs. That's not about context.
 

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Don’t think it has any relevance whether Cliff Crown is charismatic or not, I have met many Chairmen of various companies of different sizes. Some you hang on their every word, others you struggle to stay awake.

One thing they all had in common was an ability to keep the business operating in a fiscal manner and I would imagine MB is happy with Crowns stewardship.

Turning to the issues in the game against Oldham it would seem sensible to await the in depth review including CCTV before castigating anyone. On the face of things it would seem the club, as represented by the Stewards, have acted in a very unsatisfactory manner however like everything in life there will be 2 sides to the story and it would seem prudent to hear both sides before laying in to anyone
 
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I reckon people should stop knocking Cliff. He phoned me on my 65th and wished me a happy birthday! He might appear a bit old school and Henley and not in touch with the yoof but MB obviously trusts him to represent him at the club and to carry out executive roles at his company.
My dad never got a call for his 65th, Cliff out !!!
 

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Reading this thread makes me glad to be an outsider who has spoken to, I think, about four players since 1965 and nobody in any position of authority. In fact the only reason I was ever on the Braemar Road side was because that was the way in to ER. I have, however, met Banana and Edmundo who are proper BFC showbiz. MB trusts CC, so that is good enough for me.
 

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As was said before, the stewards at Villa are some of the best I have come across. Shame that there are some like those at Charlton, when we played them in the cup, who were just aggressive scumbags looking to provoke people. Not an easy task to steward a big crowd and it's a learning process for us. Shame that this has disintegrated into a slagging-off of CC. We are better than that.
Had a very different experience of the stewarding at Villa Park when we were up there a few years back. A head steward with body cam was puitting himself about very aggresively, getting into fans faces about standing. Really inflamed people and situation nearly boiled over. Guess he must have been binned off since, was OTT
 

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I reckon people should stop knocking Cliff. He phoned me on my 65th and wished me a happy birthday! He might appear a bit old school and Henley and not in touch with the yoof but MB obviously trusts him to represent him at the club and to carry out executive roles at his company.
Good point. I apologise for knocking him without knowing the full facts. We could have a lot lot worse. Runs a tight ship for King Matthew of Benham, and that we must be grateful for.
 

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If you were sat in the South Stand you wouldn't of seen any protests anyway................... Bloody floodlights, Crown out :judge: ;)
 

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I reckon people should stop knocking Cliff. He phoned me on my 65th and wished me a happy birthday! He might appear a bit old school and Henley and not in touch with the yoof but MB obviously trusts him to represent him at the club and to carry out executive roles at his company.
Cool story, bro. But aren’t you 35?
 

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I reckon people should stop knocking Cliff. He phoned me on my 65th and wished me a happy birthday! He might appear a bit old school and Henley and not in touch with the yoof but MB obviously trusts him to represent him at the club and to carry out executive roles at his company.
Perhaps his role isn't to be in touch with the average fans but to shake hands and nod approvingly with like minded 'executives'.
 

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I will never forget the "football is a village" statement prior to Watford at home in 2015.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing that day and found that particular episode embarrassing.
I have listened to some of what he has said since and tbh I switch off.
Look he might be a fantastic bloke and I am missing something, but conversations about Smart odds and percentages of winning losing are maybe the reason why I have steered clear and if that is his conversation then I am so sorry if it isn't mine.
So easy to talk about a predicted outcome after the event.
I have spoken to Thomas Frank.
Top bloke.i would cross the road to speak to him.
Rasmus Ankersen I have had a brief chat too once at GP.
Once again a nice bloke.
I have never spoken to Phil Giles, but I understand that he is quite a good bloke too.
Why do we need our chairman to be full of charisma?
We probably don't, but why is our chairman trying to be so charismatic?
Yet Thomas, Rasmus and Phil seem to be naturally charismatic.

Anyway back to Topic🔙👍
apparently "football is a village" was a joint effort by Cliff, Nity and, above all, Phil Whall. They were searching for a phrase to fully express their contempt for the fans. They couldn't quite find the right tone, but then took advice from Rasmus, who by all accounts holds the fans in even greater contempt, and he recommended this classic piece of vapid management speak. Phil Giles was probably responsible in some way too
 

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apparently "football is a village" was a joint effort by Cliff, Nity and, above all, Phil Whall. They were searching for a phrase to fully express their contempt for the fans. They couldn't quite find the right tone, but then took advice from Rasmus, who by all accounts holds the fans in even greater contempt, and he recommended this classic piece of vapid management speak. Phil Giles was probably responsible in some way too

I blame that Benham bloke, and his cat.
 
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apparently "football is a village" was a joint effort by Cliff, Nity and, above all, Phil Whall. They were searching for a phrase to fully express their contempt for the fans. They couldn't quite find the right tone, but then took advice from Rasmus, who by all accounts holds the fans in even greater contempt, and he recommended this classic piece of vapid management speak. Phil Giles was probably responsible in some way too
Sign some f***ing strikers.

Could have won 6-3 today!
 

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apparently "football is a village" was a joint effort by Cliff, Nity and, above all, Phil Whall. They were searching for a phrase to fully express their contempt for the fans. They couldn't quite find the right tone, but then took advice from Rasmus, who by all accounts holds the fans in even greater contempt, and he recommended this classic piece of vapid management speak. Phil Giles was probably responsible in some way too
I think this post has topped off one of the greatest days in the club’s history!

Trust me, no other owner of a Premier League club posts on message board threads about Carabao Cup wins, or any threads for that matter. 😂😂😂
 

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apparently "football is a village" was a joint effort by Cliff, Nity and, above all, Phil Whall. They were searching for a phrase to fully express their contempt for the fans. They couldn't quite find the right tone, but then took advice from Rasmus, who by all accounts holds the fans in even greater contempt, and he recommended this classic piece of vapid management speak. Phil Giles was probably responsible in some way too
This made me chuckle, very good Sir Matt and looking forward to your comments on the catering thread.

Seriously what a club, what an owner.
 
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This made me chuckle, very good Sir Matt and looking forward to your comments on the catering thread.

Seriously what a club, what an owner.
And what a performance last night from the team that owner built. Klopp’s aftermatch interview was like nothing I’d heard before. His eyes spoke total admiration for the fight and spirit from our lads, and how they had outfought his team off the ball and in the air. He also stood (for ages) looking at the togetherness of our players from the halfway line before the match. His team looked like a collection of stars, but ours looked like a solid unit. And MOTD highlighted how we attacked as a unit, with a wall of three possibilities for each of our goals. And club, please give Pontus an assist for Vitalis goal !
 

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This made me chuckle, very good Sir Matt and looking forward to your comments on the catering thread.

Seriously what a club, what an owner.
Reckon he'd have loved to have been in the West Stand last night!!! 😀
 

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He also stood (for ages) looking at the togetherness of our players from the halfway line before the match. His team looked like a collection of stars, but ours looked like a solid unit.
Was he not just watching the Pre-Match routines, trying to pick up some tips on how we might be doing certain stuff?

Not that he wouldn't know that anyway.
 
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Any outcome on the fan being thrown down the stairs?
 
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Any outcome on the fan being thrown down the stairs?

It's a good question. I think it's best expressed as there's two sides to every story.

At the time, there was (believe it or not) a ban on protesting in the stadium which was introduced after Portsmouth 17(?) years ago (we think), and that ban on protests was being enforced hence the pat down for banners etc. Following this episode this ban has now been removed.

There were also reports of away fans spitting at stewards.

I don't think our stewarding comes away unblemished by any means. But we are told (told, not shown) that there was a large amount of unpleasantness exhibited to stewards that day - and the point was made to the club that by being cocks to them in the first place (by refusing the entry of flags etc) they will have contributed to that.

However a point well worth notice is that when a national journalist tried to pick up this story they got no co-operation from the various Oldham fan groups.
 
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