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I think the problem with "Barn Door", is lack of quality service. Leeds really missed out by not signing Josh McE; they'd have complemented each other perfectly (or should that be complimented? ;)).

Complicated is more correct.
 

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I love looking back on this thread.

I said 9 years ago Zlatan was over rated. Shame on me.

lol

You were not along in being misguided on Zlatan (who I always rated btw :D), there was this bizarre narrative in the English media that because he hadn't scored against English clubs in the Champions league that he wasn't all he was cracked up to be :rolleyes:
 

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...............step forward Patty Bamford...........a one trick my little pony.................
I think anyone that has watched him over the six seasons or so is amazed at the improvement.
 

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I think anyone that has watched him over the six seasons or so is amazed at the improvement.
Any coach that can make Bamford look good, leading him to score a hat-trick in the 1st division has to be a bit special.
 

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Bamford was never going to have the immediate impact of an Owen as his game is about intuitive movement and technique. Playing for Bielsa's Leeds in the PL will showcase his intrinisic footballing abilities as a lone striker.
 

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..........step forward (without falling over)........Jack Grealish................

what a shocking performance from someone who cost that much. Looks like a poor career choice for me as he might win trophies but he won’t be the reason for it !
 

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what a shocking performance from someone who cost that much. Looks like a poor career choice for me as he might win trophies but he won’t be the reason for it !
..........wouldn't get back in the Notts County team..............
 

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Did the aliens v earth games ever happen and did Rooney play
 

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what a shocking performance from someone who cost that much. Looks like a poor career choice for me as he might win trophies but he won’t be the reason for it !
TBF it’s the wrong team for him, he’s clearly not encouraged to take his man on, the imperative at City is to keep possession and get rid of the ball, backwards if necessary. He was arguably the most exciting attacking player in the league last season, you don’t become a poor player overnight. Klopp would nurture him, pep inhibits him.
 

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TBF it’s the wrong team for him, he’s clearly not encouraged to take his man on, the imperative at City is to keep possession and get rid of the ball, backwards if necessary. He was arguably the most exciting attacking player in the league last season, you don’t become a poor player overnight. Klopp would nurture him, pep inhibits him.

agree hence the wrong career choice. Frustratingly it will be England that pay the price…
 

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City have managed to turn one of the most exciting young(ish) talents in English football into a very ordinary looking player. that takes some doing.
 

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..........step forward (without falling over)........Jack Grealish................

There was a point in the game where I considered starting a "sh*t Jack Grealish, you're just a sh*t Jack Grealish" chant aimed toward him but I decided against it and burst into another rendition of Hey Jude instead :cool:
 

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He really was very disappointing..
 

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I’d go so far as to say I never want to see that soppy, foppy haired c*** play for my country.
.....saw several mancs with foppy haircuts and Gallagher swaggers in the ET tonight....how me and the boy laughed.... caricature central..... he'll fit in well in that city.
 

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There was a point in the game where I considered starting a "sh*t Jack Grealish, you're just a sh*t Jack Grealish" chant aimed toward him but I decided against it and burst into another rendition of Hey Jude instead :cool:
I was tempted to start a chant of "you're just a sh1t Matty Cash" to JG last night but he probably wouldn't have understood that it was aimed at him
 

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I was surprised City bought him. He's a decent player but not quite the player he was being made out to be.

He probably isn't encouraged to do it at City but I've always felt that whilst he is a clever footballer he actually very rarely takes on and beats a player so does a lot of the safe things well but does nothing spectacular. Definitely not a £100m player.
 

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I was surprised City bought him. He's a decent player but not quite the player he was being made out to be.

He probably isn't encouraged to do it at City but I've always felt that whilst he is a clever footballer he actually very rarely takes on and beats a player so does a lot of the safe things well but does nothing spectacular. Definitely not a £100m player.

Interesting take but I was also surprised City bought him. I've always seen him as a chaotic player, one who was allowed to make his own deep runs at Villa taking on a number of players with his pace and power, scoring goals or contributing to the majoity of Villa's goals with assists. It is why I believe Ollie wasn't quite the same player when Grealish left Villa. Problem is City would never use that chaotic approach and whilst successful are actually boring to watch, it is all short passes and move, give the simple pass and don't take any risks; Grealish would be never be allowed to make the runs he did at Villa.

It's why Grealish doesn't stand out and the reason I always thought City wasn't the right club for his abilities (pace and power) but he is still a top player.
 

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Talked to a couple of Citee fans in 1 over the A after the game . They weren't fans of JG and are fed up with his constant running around in circles and recycling the ball getting no where. They did say that they (City) were crap altogether on the night and were made to work hard by us for the win.
 

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..............Mr Rice............is he the new Ray Wilkins?????...............
Thought he was their best player today, not saying much I know as they were all pretty crap.

I'll add Antonio to the list though as he was shockingly poor.
 

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Thought he was their best player today, not saying much I know as they were all pretty crap.

I'll add Antonio to the list though as he was shockingly poor.
And a needless lunge and thwack on Rico immediately before he was subbed. He was very unhappy with Rico beating him to a ball just before and generally during the game.
 

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Thought he was their best player today, not saying much I know as they were all pretty crap.

I'll add Antonio to the list though as he was shockingly poor.
They only played as well as we allowed them. Our midfield and, especially, defence were magnificent today. I don't think either of those players are over-rated. In fact I think they are terrific players. I also think that Saïd Benrahma is a superb player, but he was made to look like a schoolboy by Kristoffer Ajer.
 

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Thought he was their best player today, not saying much I know as they were all pretty crap.

I'll add Antonio to the list though as he was shockingly poor.

I thought Rice showed moments of quality, but to be honest you have to be focused in the PL, and their body language and even Moyes relaxed interview at the end, gives more than a hint their minds are already in France. It's such a big game for them on Thursday, they never looked interested in the 50/50 duals today.

We had to be professional though to get the job done and we were.
 

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Rice had 103 touches and a 94.1% passing accuracy, pretty amazing statistics... but our high press and low marking meant he was restricted mainly to recycling in their own half, which explains those statistics. Our tactics and organisation reduced him to a Woods-type performance.
 

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Saïd Benrahma. 🤷
 

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Rice had 103 touches and a 94.1% passing accuracy, pretty amazing statistics... but our high press and low marking meant he was restricted mainly to recycling in their own half, which explains those statistics. Our tactics and organisation reduced him to a Woods-type performance.
Very interesting. Nearly twice as many touches as Eriksen v Chelsea last week. But who was the more effective (and, therefore, efficient)?
 

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Very interesting. Nearly twice as many touches as Eriksen v Chelsea last week. But who was the more effective (and, therefore, efficient)?
I thought that we'd set Janelt on him to disrupt their game but it seemed to me that we let him be their receiver/recycler but marked any of the players he would pass to, which disrupted their game in a different way. Of course, I may have credited Thomas with something he never intended but I like to think he outthought Moyes.
 

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Rice had 103 touches and a 94.1% passing accuracy, pretty amazing statistics... but our high press and low marking meant he was restricted mainly to recycling in their own half, which explains those statistics. Our tactics and organisation reduced him to a Woods-type performance.
I didn't think he was anywhere near brave enough. Had alot of the ball in safe areas and did not (or could not) drive his team forward when they needed him. We have seen a lot better from opposition midfielders this year in my opinion.
 

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Rice had 103 touches and a 94.1% passing accuracy, pretty amazing statistics... but our high press and low marking meant he was restricted mainly to recycling in their own half, which explains those statistics. Our tactics and organisation reduced him to a Woods-type performance.
I didn't think he was anywhere near brave enough. Had alot of the ball in safe areas and did not (or could not) drive his team forward when they needed him. We have seen a lot better from opposition midfielders this year in my opinion.
 

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I thought that we'd set Janelt on him to disrupt their game but it seemed to me that we let him be their receiver/recycler but marked any of the players he would pass to, which disrupted their game in a different way. Of course, I may have credited Thomas with something he never intended but I like to think he outthought Moyes.
Whilst looking at how our players have adapted and progressed in respect of the PL, it’s easy to overlook the development of TF.
It’s frankly ( scuse the pun ) incredible.
 
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